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A bipartisan group of senators submitted a letter on Sunday to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell calling for a special committee to investigate possible hacking and election
interference by Russian officials.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
The guy that shot Franz Ferdinand was "just a terrorist" (anarchist technically, but that's splitting hairs)
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
As someone who does LEAN and 6Sigma for a living, you don't even need automation to replace workers. You just need process improvement so you no longer need a worker or a robot.
I hate to tell you this, but as you reduce waste and become more efficient you need fewer people to do the work. That is where most of the "efficiency" gains come from, but we just hide it with technical terminology.
QFT.
In my professional experience, we have seen the largest productivity, quality, and safety improvements from process changes and improved training, not from automation or outsourcing. Also anecdotally, for the loss of every shop floor job, I have seen an offset with a administrative position, thought not always on a 1 for 1 basis. Sometimes, it has been less and sometime's it has been more. Also, the amount of specialization has increased as well.
"Preach the gospel always, If necessary use words." ~ St. Francis of Assisi
Does someone need to post that Executive Orders chart again? The one totaling how many orders were given out by two-term presidents, and where Obama turned up on that?
Co'tor Shas wrote: Hey, Whem' only has 3 weeks left to blame everything on Obama, give him this.
Oh noes we have 8 years to blame everything on Obama.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Co'tor Shas wrote: Hey, Whem' only has 3 weeks left to blame everything on Obama, give him this.
S.O.P. for any new chief is blame everything on the guy before you.
We got 12 to18 months of blame Obama, then Pence will blame everything on disgraced former Pres Drumpf.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
Spinner wrote: Does someone need to post that Executive Orders chart again? The one totaling how many orders were given out by two-term presidents, and where Obama turned up on that?
'member the chart?
So? Raw number means jack and gak.
These weren't EO to rename some public building after some famous persons...
These were the actions of "Mr. I have a Pen & Phone".
Guess what? Cheeto Jesus will have the same Pen & Phone.
Spinner wrote: So the argument is 'it's bad because Obama did it, nicknames nicknames nicknames'.
I love it.
Well... for 'Mr. I have a Pen & Phone' arguing for his ability to take executive action when Congress blocks his legislative goals...
His critics cried and howled over the executive overreach, but O's defender were cool with it.
Now that Cheeto Jesus has the same "Pen & Phone"... will you defend his prerogative just like Obama was defended?
Absolutely not. Because Cheetoh Jesus doesn't have an obstructionist legislative branch that since day one has declared their intention to block anything and everything he would attempt to do.
But you knew that already, didn't you? Or are you still having selective memory about the past 8 years?
Co'tor Shas wrote: Hey, Whem' only has 3 weeks left to blame everything on Obama, give him this.
S.O.P. for any new chief is blame everything on the guy before you.
We got 12 to18 months of blame Obama, then Pence will blame everything on disgraced former Pres Drumpf.
It's also the SOP for the Republican party, period, to blame the Democrats for everything.
They, for example, claim that the reason nothing really got done the past 8 years is the Democrats weren't willing to work with them. Hell they even claimed their shutdown of the government was the Democrats' fault.
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Spinner wrote: So the argument is 'it's bad because Obama did it, nicknames nicknames nicknames'.
I love it.
Well... for 'Mr. I have a Pen & Phone' arguing for his ability to take executive action when Congress blocks his legislative goals...
His critics cried and howled over the executive overreach, but O's defender were cool with it.
Now that Cheeto Jesus has the same "Pen & Phone"... will you defend his prerogative just like Obama was defended?
Absolutely not. Because Cheetoh Jesus doesn't have an obstructionist legislative branch that since day one has declared their intention to block anything and everything he would attempt to do.
But you knew that already, didn't you? Or are you still having selective memory about the past 8 years?
You mean six yearswhen Obama/Democrats got curb stomped in 2010 because of the gak they've pulled from 2008-10.
Co'tor Shas wrote: Hey, Whem' only has 3 weeks left to blame everything on Obama, give him this.
S.O.P. for any new chief is blame everything on the guy before you.
We got 12 to18 months of blame Obama, then Pence will blame everything on disgraced former Pres Drumpf.
It's also the SOP for the Republican party, period, to blame the Democrats for everything.
They, for example, claim that the reason nothing really got done the past 8 years is the Democrats weren't willing to work with them. Hell they even claimed their shutdown of the government was the Democrats' fault.
SOP of both parties...
Unless you forgot all the blame that Obama and crew laid on Dubya's fee at the beginning of his term...
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Spinner wrote: So the argument is 'it's bad because Obama did it, nicknames nicknames nicknames'.
I love it.
Well... for 'Mr. I have a Pen & Phone' arguing for his ability to take executive action when Congress blocks his legislative goals...
His critics cried and howled over the executive overreach, but O's defender were cool with it.
Now that Cheeto Jesus has the same "Pen & Phone"... will you defend his prerogative just like Obama was defended?
Absolutely not. Because Cheetoh Jesus doesn't have an obstructionist legislative branch that since day one has declared their intention to block anything and everything he would attempt to do.
But you knew that already, didn't you? Or are you still having selective memory about the past 8 years?
You mean six yearswhen Obama/Democrats got curb stomped in 2010 because of the gak they've pulled from 2008-10.
I mean eight years. McConnell stated in 2008 before Obama even entered office that the Republicans were going to block anything and everything the Democrats attempted to put through.
You and I both know you know this. Stop playing know-nothing. It's disingenuous garbage.
Spinner wrote: So the argument is 'it's bad because Obama did it, nicknames nicknames nicknames'.
I love it.
Well... for 'Mr. I have a Pen & Phone' arguing for his ability to take executive action when Congress blocks his legislative goals...
His critics cried and howled over the executive overreach, but O's defender were cool with it.
Now that Cheeto Jesus has the same "Pen & Phone"... will you defend his prerogative just like Obama was defended?
Absolutely not. Because Cheetoh Jesus doesn't have an obstructionist legislative branch that since day one has declared their intention to block anything and everything he would attempt to do.
But you knew that already, didn't you? Or are you still having selective memory about the past 8 years?
You mean six yearswhen Obama/Democrats got curb stomped in 2010 because of the gak they've pulled from 2008-10.
I mean eight years. McConnell stated in 2008 before Obama even entered office that the Republicans were going to block anything and everything the Democrats attempted to put through.
You and I both know you know this. Stop playing know-nothing. It's disingenuous garbage.
And. He. Didn't. Stop. gak.
You stop being disingenous and stop trying to re-write history. The Democrats held BOTH the house and senate between 2008-10.
Spinner wrote: So the argument is 'it's bad because Obama did it, nicknames nicknames nicknames'.
I love it.
Well... for 'Mr. I have a Pen & Phone' arguing for his ability to take executive action when Congress blocks his legislative goals...
His critics cried and howled over the executive overreach, but O's defender were cool with it.
Now that Cheeto Jesus has the same "Pen & Phone"... will you defend his prerogative just like Obama was defended?
Absolutely not. Because Cheetoh Jesus doesn't have an obstructionist legislative branch that since day one has declared their intention to block anything and everything he would attempt to do.
But you knew that already, didn't you? Or are you still having selective memory about the past 8 years?
You mean six yearswhen Obama/Democrats got curb stomped in 2010 because of the gak they've pulled from 2008-10.
I mean eight years. McConnell stated in 2008 before Obama even entered office that the Republicans were going to block anything and everything the Democrats attempted to put through.
You and I both know you know this. Stop playing know-nothing. It's disingenuous garbage.
And. He. Didn't. Stop. gak.
You stop being disingenous and stop trying to re-write history. The Democrats held BOTH the house and senate between 2008-10.
Just because the Turtle was useless doesn't mean they didn't attempt to stop crap.
For christ's sake, we have a guy still in office who claims this:
"One of my proudest moments was when I looked Barack Obama in the eye and I said, 'Mr. President, you will not fill the Supreme Court vacancy.'
So yes. Stop trying to be disingenuous about the reality of the political climate and the dumpster fire that is your chosen party.
Spinner wrote: So the argument is 'it's bad because Obama did it, nicknames nicknames nicknames'.
I love it.
Well... for 'Mr. I have a Pen & Phone' arguing for his ability to take executive action when Congress blocks his legislative goals...
His critics cried and howled over the executive overreach, but O's defender were cool with it.
Now that Cheeto Jesus has the same "Pen & Phone"... will you defend his prerogative just like Obama was defended?
Absolutely not. Because Cheetoh Jesus doesn't have an obstructionist legislative branch that since day one has declared their intention to block anything and everything he would attempt to do.
But you knew that already, didn't you? Or are you still having selective memory about the past 8 years?
You mean six yearswhen Obama/Democrats got curb stomped in 2010 because of the gak they've pulled from 2008-10.
I mean eight years. McConnell stated in 2008 before Obama even entered office that the Republicans were going to block anything and everything the Democrats attempted to put through.
You and I both know you know this. Stop playing know-nothing. It's disingenuous garbage.
You can't blame the Republicans in Congress for Obama committing unconditional executive overreach with executive orders. SCotUS ruled against Obama because he was trying to use executive orders to write new laws which is expressly illegal and unconstitutional and Obama the supposed constitutional scholar can't just blame Republicans as a lame excuse for deliberately ignoring federal law. It is extremely dangerous and bad for the country for presidents to try to remove our system of federal checks and balances for the sake of partisanship. We've had decades of presidents from both parties trying to amass more executive power and all we get from it is more terrible policy from whichever party controls the White House at the expense of the voice of the people.
Co'tor Shas wrote: Hey, Whem' only has 3 weeks left to blame everything on Obama, give him this.
S.O.P. for any new chief is blame everything on the guy before you.
We got 12 to18 months of blame Obama, then Pence will blame everything on disgraced former Pres Drumpf.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Spinner wrote: So the argument is 'it's bad because Obama did it, nicknames nicknames nicknames'.
I love it.
Well... for 'Mr. I have a Pen & Phone' arguing for his ability to take executive action when Congress blocks his legislative goals...
His critics cried and howled over the executive overreach, but O's defender were cool with it.
Now that Cheeto Jesus has the same "Pen & Phone"... will you defend his prerogative just like Obama was defended?
Absolutely not. Because Cheetoh Jesus doesn't have an obstructionist legislative branch that since day one has declared their intention to block anything and everything he would attempt to do.
But you knew that already, didn't you? Or are you still having selective memory about the past 8 years?
You mean six yearswhen Obama/Democrats got curb stomped in 2010 because of the gak they've pulled from 2008-10.
I mean eight years. McConnell stated in 2008 before Obama even entered office that the Republicans were going to block anything and everything the Democrats attempted to put through.
You and I both know you know this. Stop playing know-nothing. It's disingenuous garbage.
And. He. Didn't. Stop. gak.
You stop being disingenous and stop trying to re-write history. The Democrats held BOTH the house and senate between 2008-10.
Just because the Turtle was useless doesn't mean they didn't attempt to stop crap.
:rolls eyes:
Jeez... a political critter that doesn't roll over before your hero is... what... I dunno... literally hitler or something?
For christ's sake, we have a guy still in office who claims this:
"One of my proudest moments was when I looked Barack Obama in the eye and I said, 'Mr. President, you will not fill the Supreme Court vacancy.'
So yes. Stop trying to be disingenuous about the reality of the political climate and the dumpster fire that is your chosen party.
God forbid that he listens to his constituency... I mean... nooooooo... feth his supporters. amirite?
I mean, I'm convinced that much of the opposition isn't much about policy differences or sober analysis of causes/effects... it's rooted in the loathing and detestation of certain people, ie a practice in "otherizing", that feels the need to strictly enforce its own doctrines and punishes the apostates who dares voices a contrarian opinion.
It's 270 elector votes needed to win the precidency. In theory, what would happen if enough faithless electors abandoned Trump, putting him below 270 (though still more than HRC)? I assume it's actually 270 votes needed. Not just having the most.
Spinner wrote: So the argument is 'it's bad because Obama did it, nicknames nicknames nicknames'.
I love it.
Well... for 'Mr. I have a Pen & Phone' arguing for his ability to take executive action when Congress blocks his legislative goals...
His critics cried and howled over the executive overreach, but O's defender were cool with it.
Now that Cheeto Jesus has the same "Pen & Phone"... will you defend his prerogative just like Obama was defended?
Absolutely not. Because Cheetoh Jesus doesn't have an obstructionist legislative branch that since day one has declared their intention to block anything and everything he would attempt to do.
But you knew that already, didn't you? Or are you still having selective memory about the past 8 years?
You mean six yearswhen Obama/Democrats got curb stomped in 2010 because of the gak they've pulled from 2008-10.
I mean eight years. McConnell stated in 2008 before Obama even entered office that the Republicans were going to block anything and everything the Democrats attempted to put through.
You and I both know you know this. Stop playing know-nothing. It's disingenuous garbage.
And. He. Didn't. Stop. gak.
You stop being disingenous and stop trying to re-write history. The Democrats held BOTH the house and senate between 2008-10.
Just because the Turtle was useless doesn't mean they didn't attempt to stop crap.
:rolls eyes:
Jeez... a political critter that doesn't roll over before your hero is... what... I dunno... literally hitler or something?
Who said anything about anyone being a hero? There's no business for an obstructionist twit in public office. Yet somehow he keeps getting back in, mostly because of the deluded political base that plays for the Republicans.
For christ's sake, we have a guy still in office who claims this:
"One of my proudest moments was when I looked Barack Obama in the eye and I said, 'Mr. President, you will not fill the Supreme Court vacancy.'
So yes. Stop trying to be disingenuous about the reality of the political climate and the dumpster fire that is your chosen party.
God forbid that he listens to his constituency... I mean... nooooooo... feth his supporters. amirite?
Oh right, the constituency that had members who believed Obama was a Muslim from Kenya and that universal healthcare meant death panels. Amirite?
That same constituency that STILL believes that kind of crap about Hillary as well?
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It's 270 elector votes needed to win the precidency. In theory, what would happen if enough faithless electors abandoned Trump, putting him below 270 (though still more than HRC)? I assume it's actually 270 votes needed. Not just having the most.
So far it is not 'as well', it is ONLY Democratic. And Trump already has enough that with TX he is over 270. (265 as I type this)
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Every time a terrorist dies a Paratrooper gets his wings.
It's 270 elector votes needed to win the precidency. In theory, what would happen if enough faithless electors abandoned Trump, putting him below 270 (though still more than HRC)? I assume it's actually 270 votes needed. Not just having the most.
I think it's just "the most votes" in anything democratic, actually. Not necessarily "more than half."
Spinner wrote: So the argument is 'it's bad because Obama did it, nicknames nicknames nicknames'.
I love it.
Well... for 'Mr. I have a Pen & Phone' arguing for his ability to take executive action when Congress blocks his legislative goals...
His critics cried and howled over the executive overreach, but O's defender were cool with it.
Now that Cheeto Jesus has the same "Pen & Phone"... will you defend his prerogative just like Obama was defended?
Absolutely not. Because Cheetoh Jesus doesn't have an obstructionist legislative branch that since day one has declared their intention to block anything and everything he would attempt to do.
But you knew that already, didn't you? Or are you still having selective memory about the past 8 years?
You mean six yearswhen Obama/Democrats got curb stomped in 2010 because of the gak they've pulled from 2008-10.
I mean eight years. McConnell stated in 2008 before Obama even entered office that the Republicans were going to block anything and everything the Democrats attempted to put through.
You and I both know you know this. Stop playing know-nothing. It's disingenuous garbage.
And. He. Didn't. Stop. gak.
You stop being disingenous and stop trying to re-write history. The Democrats held BOTH the house and senate between 2008-10.
Just because the Turtle was useless doesn't mean they didn't attempt to stop crap.
:rolls eyes:
Jeez... a political critter that doesn't roll over before your hero is... what... I dunno... literally hitler or something?
Who said anything about anyone being a hero? There's no business for an obstructionist twit in public office. Yet somehow he keeps getting back in, mostly because of the deluded political base that plays for the Republicans.
Obstructionism has ALWAYS, ALWAYS been a useful crudgel in the minority party's toolbox.
The sooner you accept that, the sooner you start cheering for the Democrats to Obstruct Republicans and Cheeto Jesus.
For christ's sake, we have a guy still in office who claims this:
"One of my proudest moments was when I looked Barack Obama in the eye and I said, 'Mr. President, you will not fill the Supreme Court vacancy.'
So yes. Stop trying to be disingenuous about the reality of the political climate and the dumpster fire that is your chosen party.
God forbid that he listens to his constituency... I mean... nooooooo... feth his supporters. amirite?
Oh right, the constituency that believed Obama was a Muslim from Kenya and that universal healthcare meant death panels. Amirite?
Sure Kan...
Republicans are rednecked, fly-over, lowbrowed, know-nothings voters.
It's 270 elector votes needed to win the precidency. In theory, what would happen if enough faithless electors abandoned Trump, putting him below 270 (though still more than HRC)? I assume it's actually 270 votes needed. Not just having the most.
He MUST get 270 EV to win.
If NO ONE gets to 270. Then the top 3 candidates are chosen by the House of Representative.
However, Cheeto Jesus will get his 270 easily...
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It's 270 elector votes needed to win the precidency. In theory, what would happen if enough faithless electors abandoned Trump, putting him below 270 (though still more than HRC)? I assume it's actually 270 votes needed. Not just having the most.
So far it is not 'as well', it is ONLY Democratic. And Trump already has enough that with TX he is over 270. (265 as I type this)
I was aware of a few Republicans from other states already announcing they'd be faithless but I haven't heard that of any Democrats. That's what I meant with Democrats as well.
It's 270 elector votes needed to win the precidency. In theory, what would happen if enough faithless electors abandoned Trump, putting him below 270 (though still more than HRC)? I assume it's actually 270 votes needed. Not just having the most.
I think it's just "the most votes" in anything democratic, actually. Not necessarily "more than half."
That's how it normally work. But since these articles keep mentioning 270 electors needed when Hillary has now less than 232 makes me suspect there's a hard target needed.
This is also a political system where it's definately not as simple as "most votes". Or HRC would have been president elect already.
