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 Ketara wrote:
Quite Warcrafty looking. Which for me, sadly, is a turnoff.

Very much budget Warcraft, which makes them a turn off for me.

All of these are very mediocre looking.

Also curious about what material they will be. The minis from Descent and Imperial Assault are ok but have lots of issues.

Terrain looks interesting though, if that's something they will be releasing I'd probably check it out.

~Eric

I was wondering if there was really much potential for a new TTG with not particularly exceptional looking models, as while it's understandable that the game is set in their own world, said universe is not really a well known IP that will attract new players just by its name IMO.

But after reading their presentation, I realize that what may actually make that game popular is the system. It looks like quite an interesting way to handle armies, a system floating between Warhammer and Board Games that may end up quite fun to play.

I like the idea that you resolve your actions at different initiatives depending on the action chosen, and that you have to take into consideration that the opponent may have chosen a faster action than yours to escape a dangerous situation.

The customizing the army depending on what's on the stand and how it's connected to other stands is very interesting.

I had a game idea like that a long time ago in the early 2000's so I'd like to see how something similar fares!

Man, anyone excited about this who slept on Arcane Legions might want to look it up. A game using some very, very similar ideas, ten years back, already existed, and was quite good, and can be had essentially for free.

Arcane Legions felt a lot like "Baby's first Mass-Battles game", but it was good fun, and even then, affordable. If FFG does the same here it might be nice.

That said, i'm salty that the cited reason Dust Warfare/Tactics left FFG and into its death-spiral since was because "We're not a miniatures game company..." when the last five years have been them making the bulk of their profits on a miniatures game. :-p

Hmmm. I kind of like the minis, but I'm not into a rank n' file game with so many fiddly bits like action wheels and tokens.

I was really hoping to see an RPG in their Terrinoth setting before a minis wargame, honestly.

Looks like a bit of a mash up between the pre-painted Confrontation, Mage Knight and Arcane Legions.

Not quite my thing, but seems to be well-presented and could get some new people into wargaming.

It has to be 28mm, anything less is too abstract.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
That said, i'm salty that the cited reason Dust Warfare/Tactics left FFG and into its death-spiral since was because "We're not a miniatures game company..." when the last five years have been them making the bulk of their profits on a miniatures game. :-p

I believe the Dust Tactics miniatures were not actually made by them, while they've recently added a new building and teams dedicated to sculpting miniatures. So they weren't a miniatures company then. Maybe they are now.

I realize now that it's quite costly for a game without a license. And with FFG conversion rate of 1$=1€ it will put it here at the same price as the AoS starter box so not an attractive price for potential new hobbyists.

Thought I do not really share people's feeling that it's intended as an introduction to global wargaming. Or I shall say I do not expect that FFG intends for people to jump ship to other companies after playing Runewars.

I'd imagine the main target for the game is a portion of the Xwing audience that has previously showed no signs of picking up any other games

the dice, and movement templates will be familiar, along with the FFG name and since there are a lot of xwing buyers even a portion of them will provide enough sales to pay for the development, and enough of a player base to put together scene to keep them happy

I doubt they really think they'll poach that many hard core players from other systems, at least to start with

I have little interest but why does everyone keep thinking they are prepainted? Because the pics show painted minis? Does everyone think this is the same with GW? Both FFG and GW both say miniatures are unpainted. I'm wondering where the disconnect is.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
As a fan of most FFG products, I quite like the old school swords and sorcery vibe I'm getting from this.

It's all 1980s style fantasy, which is always a big plus in my book.

I think the jigsaw style bases look as though suppression tokens or markers could slot into them, rather much like the ME bases...

It looks like they clip together to form larger regiments; each base takes 4 infantry, 2 cavalry or a monster, by the looks of it.

Also, I expect crossovers with Descent and possibly Dungeonquest.

 judgedoug wrote:
I have little interest but why does everyone keep thinking they are prepainted? Because the pics show painted minis? Does everyone think this is the same with GW? Both FFG and GW both say miniatures are unpainted. I'm wondering where the disconnect is.

I'll guess because Xwing is prepainted, some people assume the somewhat cartoony paint on these is a pre-paint?

The paint jobs have some blending and shading though, and some lighting effects too. I think they are probably not going to be prepainted but I would imagine they will probably do something like colored PVC with different colors for each army.. or primed like Dust maybe?

I'd be interested in trying it out but I'd like a demo first. I wouldn't mind a mass battle game with less rules and more fun though. I just know i woulnd't have time to paint much though :(

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:I'd imagine the main target for the game is a portion of the Xwing audience that has previously showed no signs of picking up any other games

I don't know. Not being pre-painted or pre-assembled may be an insurmountable issue for people attracted to the Star Wars license and ease of getting from purchase to play. However, I've seen a huge number of people who paint their Imperial Assault figures. There's a rather popular series of tutorials on YouTube by Sorastro (he also does Descent and Zombicide tuts) that seem to be a lot of board gamers' first introduction to mini painting - I would not be surprised if FFG's RWM painting tutorials are done by Sorastro. I've also seen a lot of people painting their Super Dungeon Explore/Ninja All-Stars minis as well. I think the interest in painting board game minis is the highest it has ever been (due largely to board game miniatures being the best quality they've ever been), and I think that may be the target audience for RWM.

I think the assembly/painting hobby aspects of miniature gaming is the number one stumbling block for new players (or seasoned players with assembling Malifaux or painting Warmachine), and I think it is a bold move for FFG to make that part of the selling point of RWM. It might not work out, but I hope it does. FFG's support and fandom will definitely give RWM a leg up on the less popular mini games like Wrath of Kings, Dark Ages, Warpath, etc.

I doubt they really think they'll poach that many hard core players from other systems, at least to start with

I think this is more an attempt to get board gamers into miniature games. Many of FFG's games are already "lifestyle" games with extensive expansions over multiple years with competitive tournaments, and with miniatures becoming more and more important to their games, it seems like a natural fit to move to the next level. Really, the only structural difference between RWM and something like Imperial Assault is that the figures require some assembly. I think hardcore gamers will largely ignore RWM, or if they play it, it will be a low investment second or third game for them (it will be for me, if I decide to jump in)

judgedoug wrote:I have little interest but why does everyone keep thinking they are prepainted? Because the pics show painted minis? Does everyone think this is the same with GW? Both FFG and GW both say miniatures are unpainted. I'm wondering where the disconnect is.

Probably because X-Wing is pre-painted.

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For imperial assault, Jabba's Palace is next!









Armada! New campaign system!

I like them. The skeletons look loads better than GW's bazillion year old offering.

 agnosto wrote:
I like them. The skeletons look loads better than GW's bazillion year old offering.

Really? Their heads look more like those of shaved chimpanzees than actual skulls to me. But I generally don't like "angry skulls" (GW had them too, but that was 20 years ago).

I like this, and depending on more previews of the system in action will probably end up buying into it.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
I like them. The skeletons look loads better than GW's bazillion year old offering.

Really? Their heads look more like those of shaved chimpanzees than actual skulls to me. But I generally don't like "angry skulls" (GW had them too, but that was 20 years ago).

Considering GW is using the same sculpts from 20 years ago.....

when I first saw them I thought of the art from this old PS game

I think it's a very interesting development.

Whilst I can see how it wouldn't appeal to hardcore veteran players like HBMC and me, I think there may be a good audience out there for such a game using rule mechanisms like X-Wing that make it a lot more pick up and play than AoS or other fantasy rule sets.

 agnosto wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
I like them. The skeletons look loads better than GW's bazillion year old offering.

Really? Their heads look more like those of shaved chimpanzees than actual skulls to me. But I generally don't like "angry skulls" (GW had them too, but that was 20 years ago).

Considering GW is using the same sculpts from 20 years ago.....

Mmmh?

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
I like them. The skeletons look loads better than GW's bazillion year old offering.

Really? Their heads look more like those of shaved chimpanzees than actual skulls to me. But I generally don't like "angry skulls" (GW had them too, but that was 20 years ago).

Considering GW is using the same sculpts from 20 years ago.....

Mmmh?

Spoiler:

They updated them? Shows how much I pay attention. A skeleton is a skeleton to me and from 5 feet away those will look no different to me than any other manufacturer. Meh. If that's what kills it for you, so be it, but I'm a gamer before modeler and a painter last so the token on the field doesn't bother me one way or another....which explains the 100s of Mantic skeletons and zombies I own.

I'm a modeler first, so no rune wars for me 100%
I'll probably read about the rules / watch batreps out of curiosity.

But imperial assault on the other hand is on my radar now!

I'm a hardcore veteran player and the game appeals to me!

Models look alright, if generic. I like em better than Mantic's stuff.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
I'm a modeler first, so no rune wars for me 100%
I'll probably read about the rules / watch batreps out of curiosity.

But imperial assault on the other hand is on my radar now!

Wait so... Rune Wars has modelling and painting and you are out on it, but Imperial Assault has neither and you are interested? That's... odd.

 judgedoug wrote:
I have little interest but why does everyone keep thinking they are prepainted? Because the pics show painted minis? Does everyone think this is the same with GW? Both FFG and GW both say miniatures are unpainted. I'm wondering where the disconnect is.

Probably because X-Wing is prepainted and people have forgotten about DUST (or at least that DUST was/is merely pre-primed).

I like these models, actually. The undead especially, and the Humans look like Mantic's Basileans done right.

The undead look kinda neat...but this is a big fat NOPE on my part...

I'll wait and see. It'll depend on price and availability. The X-Wing starter set might be playable out of the box, but it's not an especially great deal, nor are the X-Wing/Armada/Imperial Assault models. I can't see myself paying a similar premium for generic fantasy...