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this seems like a good place to ask this:

I run a guard army and got fed up with the lack of fast hard hitters so invested in some deathwatch, I was wondering if the Deathwatch Black Spear strike force counts as a formation and can it be taken as so? If not can it be taken as an allied detachment? In either case can these deathwatch units capture objectives as allies?

Answered on your thread

I've been tooling about with CADs and formations in an attempt to hit a sweet spot for 1850.
Nowhere near the sweet spot but I've had some amusing results with this.

CAD
HQ - Librarian ml2

Elites - Dreadnaught - Heavy Flamer, Lucius Pod
- Vanguard Vet - HTH VVet - Storm Shield, Lightning Claw
- Vanguard Vet - HTH VVet - Storm Shield, Lightning Claw
Troops - Vets - Shotguns, Drop Pod
- Vets - 3×Bolters, Stalker Pattern, Infernus HB, Rhino
FAttack - Biker
- Biker
- Biker

CAD
HQ - Librarian ml2
Elites - VVet - Inferno Pistol, Hand Flamer
- VVet - Bolt Pistol, Hand Flamer
- VVet - Bolt Pistol, Hand Flamer
Troops - Vets - Shotguns, Drop Pod
- Vets - Bolters, Rhino
FAttack - Biker
- Biker
- Biker

Formation Detachment
Wolfkin - 5 packs

First turn Drop Pod the Dread onto any soft targets to thin down bodies with the Heavy Flamer.
The Libbies are the flexibility, psychic powers to buff the Vets in different ways.
Vanguard Vets are the vehicle wreckers, HTHs with Storm Shield escorts, one with an Inferno Pistol.
Bikers are my harassment unit, six 30 point units with Special Issue Ammo, the Bikers don't have the power to put down whole units but they can pick at broken units, freeing more powerful units to chase after other power pieces. Even if I gang them all up on one unit that unit can only really strike back at 30 points per turn.
I have a low model count, I'm hoping that a higher number of units will make target prioritising a nightmare for my opponent.
I'm hoping the Wolfkin will help as screens to suffer Overwatch in place of my small units or join together to create the Alpha Pack for tarpitting.

As lame as this sounds I am just gonna wait until 8th drops and see what happens with that. Just gonna work on my models and go from there.

Hopefully we wil get shotguns and bolters back though!

 Leth wrote:
As lame as this sounds I am just gonna wait until 8th drops and see what happens with that. Just gonna work on my models and go from there.

Hopefully we wil get shotguns and bolters back though!

Sounds like a common sentiment.

Now that 8th is officially close to release, and the updating of all rules confirmed, I'd recommend against modeling any odd combination of wargear. You'll probably have to pull off any bonus weapon you got by trading in your CCW. I'd even expect the PF/LC combo to lose their benefit, so just be aware that big changes are coming.

 MasterSlowPoke wrote:
Now that 8th is officially close to release, and the updating of all rules confirmed, I'd recommend against modeling any odd combination of wargear. You'll probably have to pull off any bonus weapon you got by trading in your CCW. I'd even expect the PF/LC combo to lose their benefit, so just be aware that big changes are coming.

I use these wonderful things called 'magnets' solves all my combination problems.
Sometimes has an issue with Lightning/Wolf Claws but everything else works well.