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2016/08/16 09:24:00
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
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No the monolith isn't that scary, its just big. It shouldn't be that high a priority target
Yes, I'm sure the C'tan shard only moves 6".
Deathmarks have rapid firing snipers, yes its weird, yes it doesn't make sense, and no it doesn't have a longer range. They only got 1 eye they gotta make up for it somehow.
QS doesn't protect the back.
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It's easy to assume that people arguing an interpretation you disagree with are just looking for an advantage for themselves... But it's quite often not the case. |
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2016/08/16 10:54:00
Subject: Re:What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Possessed Khorne Marine Covered in Spikes
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Pouncey wrote:I think that guy earlier covered the weird thing about Sororitas rules pretty well, so I'm going to talk about a piece of extrapolated lore for the Sisters of Battle.
If you try to estimate how rare the conditions that make someone into a Sister of Battle are, you arrive at a figure of around 1 in 1,000,000. If you factor in the number of planets the Imperium has, and the average population per planet to arrive at a rough estimate of the Imperium's approximate total population, then try to figure out how many Sisters of Battle there are in the galaxy at any one time, you arrive at the conclusion that there are probably around 10 BILLION Sisters of Battle serving the Ecclesiarchy at all times.
Making Sisters of Battle, lore-wise, outnumber loyalist Space Marines 10,000 to 1.
May I ask where you got this information? 10 billion is a big number and you'd think if they had that many they could crush a lot of problems if they just banded together once in a while.
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2016/08/16 11:05:10
Subject: Re:What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Virulent Space Marine dedicated to Nurgle
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 #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
May I ask where you got this information? 10 billion is a big number and you'd think if they had that many they could crush a lot of problems if they just banded together once in a while.
10 Billion isn't that big a number in the context of the Imperium. Even if the number was exactly 10 billion there'd still be less Sisters in the whole galaxy than the average population of a Hive World.
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2016/08/16 11:26:03
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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No, those are valid Broadside models. Yes, I know they are smaller and on smaller bases than the current model but it's not my fault that GW decided to make Broadside battlesuits the size of a Dreadnought whilst keeping them T4.
Yes, I know that Broadside railguns suck compared to HYMPs but I bought them when HYMPs didn't exist and I'm a traditionalist.
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The Laws of Thermodynamics:
1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
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2016/08/16 12:50:13
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Shrieking Guardian Jetbiker
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Eldar Harlequins are not Craftworld Eldar, you don't have to bring tailored stuff to beat them...
Harlequins all have the fear rule, yes even vehicles...
The Veil of Tears power does work like that...
Yes Skyweavers don't have the skilled rider special rule
No Skyweavers don't have flip belts and everything else does meaning they can crash and die to dangerous terrain...
Flip belts means I ignore any difficulties moving through terrain
No I don't have a HQ and No I can't just play a CAD...
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 Hawky wrote:Power Armour's greatest weakness is Newton, the deadliest snfbtch in space.
"You're in the Guard(ians), son! |
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2016/08/16 12:58:39
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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Eldar: My bikes don't have scatter. I didn't bring D. DA ability to run and shoot is actually rather fair.
Black Templars: Beware the EC.
Imperial Guard: Thanks to the new FaQ, you can't grenade a LRBT to death so easily. This is fair.
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2016/08/16 13:26:58
Subject: Re:What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Possessed Khorne Marine Covered in Spikes
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 nurgle5 wrote: #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
May I ask where you got this information? 10 billion is a big number and you'd think if they had that many they could crush a lot of problems if they just banded together once in a while.
10 Billion isn't that big a number in the context of the Imperium. Even if the number was exactly 10 billion there'd still be less Sisters in the whole galaxy than the average population of a Hive World.
It is quite significant when that means ten billion bodies of trained warriors armed with highly deadly weaponry and some of the best armour you can get in the Imperium. Remember, the average hive citizen spends most of his day sucking on the armpits of a dead rat for nutrition.
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2016/08/16 13:32:42
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Steady Space Marine Vet Sergeant
England
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Yeah, I don't know what these psychic powers do either.
Just cos we're SM doesn't mean I have to run a Gladius.
I bet you £10 you have never heard of Crimson Fists before.
Surprise! I use other chapter tactics than WS and IH.
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2016/08/16 13:41:59
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Preacher of the Emperor
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Oberron wrote:Deathmarks have rapid firing snipers, yes its weird, yes it doesn't make sense, and no it doesn't have a longer range. They only got 1 eye they gotta make up for it somehow.
Pathfinders with rail rifles have a similar problem.
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2016/08/16 14:41:15
Subject: Re:What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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#1ShieldBrother3++ wrote: nurgle5 wrote: #1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:
May I ask where you got this information? 10 billion is a big number and you'd think if they had that many they could crush a lot of problems if they just banded together once in a while.
10 Billion isn't that big a number in the context of the Imperium. Even if the number was exactly 10 billion there'd still be less Sisters in the whole galaxy than the average population of a Hive World.
It is quite significant when that means ten billion bodies of trained warriors armed with highly deadly weaponry and some of the best armour you can get in the Imperium. Remember, the average hive citizen spends most of his day sucking on the armpits of a dead rat for nutrition.
Please don't derail the thread as this one is actually quite informative. This discussion would make a good thread of its own, though.
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2016/08/16 18:02:34
Subject: Re:What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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Imperial Guard:
- Yes, my infantry blob is fearless as long as the attached priest is alive. No, I don't need to make morale checks just because your marines looked at them funny.
- Yes, I did field that many models for X points.
- No, my Leman Russ doesn't have lumbering behemoth anymore
- No, Yarrick is not stubborn or fearless.
- Yes, most of my artillery is open topped
- Yes, Ogryns suck
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2016/08/16 18:05:11
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Yes, Sisters are an actual Games Workshop army, not a Forgeworld one or a third party addition.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2016/08/16 19:02:30
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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The Last Chancer Who Survived
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 Melissia wrote:Yes, Sisters are an actual Games Workshop army, not a Forgeworld one or a third party addition.
That's an outright lie, damnit.
Officio Assassinorum: Yes, the Vindicare has BS8 and a bunch of cool rules. No, he's actually still terrible at his job.
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2016/08/16 19:27:38
Subject: Re:What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Ravenwing:
Yes, they can all reroll their jink save.
Yes, their jink save really can be a 2+
Yes, the support squadron can really do that (overwatch, interceptor, 4+cover save minimum etc)
And my favourite of all; no, my land speeders are not open topped!
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2016/08/16 19:46:08
Subject: Re:What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Shrieking Guardian Jetbiker
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 Jazzhands wrote:Ravenwing: And my favourite of all; no, my land speeders are not open topped!
Tbf I have to ask this one all the time... I mean look at it, the dudes maybe in armour but the speeder is very much opened topped rules be damned!
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Hawky wrote:Power Armour's greatest weakness is Newton, the deadliest snfbtch in space.
"You're in the Guard(ians), son! |
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2016/08/16 19:48:43
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Imperial Guard: No, we are not just infantry blobs. Yes, mech vets and armor is perfectly fluffy.
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Thought for the day: Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
30k Ultramarines: 2000 pts
Bolt Action Germans: ~1200 pts
AOS Stormcast: Just starting.
 The Empire : ~60-70 models.
 1500 pts
 : My Salamanders painting blog 16 Infantry and 2 Vehicles done so far! |
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2016/08/16 20:37:45
Subject: Re:What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Yes the model is open topped but given that fluff wise they are about as thin as power armour....
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Never forgive, never remember! |
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2016/08/16 21:30:02
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
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 oldzoggy wrote:Yes all Atillery rules are really that crazy, those grots + the IC attatched to them are really T7.
To add onto this: No artillery are not vehicles and do not have firing arcs, no matter what the model looks like, it has 360 degree firing arc. Every time I fire a rapier laser array its "but I am not in your firing arc".
Also:
Barrage can fire within its minimum range, it just cannot fire at things out of line of sight.
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2016/08/16 22:08:00
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Another barrage fun fact I always see done wrong:
If a weapon is the barrage type, regardless of whether or not it chooses to fire indirectly, it wounds from the center and hits the sides of vehicles.
There are two totally separate bullets to the barrage rule.
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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!" |
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2016/08/17 00:20:01
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Lethal Lhamean
Birmingham
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Yes, my Incubi are WS5, yes they are I5, yes they are +1S, AP2 and yes your Marines are about to die before they get a chance to strike back.
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2016/08/17 00:53:20
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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No, my Incubi didn't bring assault grenades with them. You can swing first...
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the particulate. |
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2016/08/17 01:47:50
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Inspiring SDF-1 Bridge Officer
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Yes, that is a lot of gaunt models. No, they won't hurt you and they'll be gone after your shooting phase.
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It never ends well |
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2016/08/17 02:10:18
Subject: Re:What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Confessor Of Sins
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#1ShieldBrother3++ wrote:Pouncey wrote:I think that guy earlier covered the weird thing about Sororitas rules pretty well, so I'm going to talk about a piece of extrapolated lore for the Sisters of Battle.
If you try to estimate how rare the conditions that make someone into a Sister of Battle are, you arrive at a figure of around 1 in 1,000,000. If you factor in the number of planets the Imperium has, and the average population per planet to arrive at a rough estimate of the Imperium's approximate total population, then try to figure out how many Sisters of Battle there are in the galaxy at any one time, you arrive at the conclusion that there are probably around 10 BILLION Sisters of Battle serving the Ecclesiarchy at all times.
Making Sisters of Battle, lore-wise, outnumber loyalist Space Marines 10,000 to 1.
May I ask where you got this information? 10 billion is a big number and you'd think if they had that many they could crush a lot of problems if they just banded together once in a while.
I'll go find the math that was involved and the assumptions that went into it.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/694726.page#8751820
About a year ago a friend of mine and myself sat down with the idea of trying to figure out about how "big" the Imperium was roughly population wise (and about how many Sisters of Battle would fit the setting). So we dug through all the information on population levels from old rulebooks and what we could find and here's what we worked out while trying to keep the numbers on the low end as possible:
To keep the numbers reasonably low we worked off the following rules:
1% of the entire Imperium meets the very basic criteria to be considered for becoming a Sororitas.
1% of those complete their "basic" training successfully
1% of those are on active status at any time (the other 99% have been deactivated for any number of reasons). This last one was to really just push the number a lot lower based on the "stuff happens" quotient.
50% of the final total is Militant Orders, the rest is divided into the various Non-Militant Orders (which makes each of those smaller than the combined Militant Orders).
So running some basic numbers we figured that from the Hive Worlds (all 32,380 of them) had a rough average of 50,000,000,000 (we went with 50 Billion a Hive, which is about the middle of the range (10-100,000,000,000), and 10 Hive a planet, which is a bit lower than half as the range is 5-20) 16,190,000,000,000,000 people on the hives.
To keep the math easy we went with an average of 5 Billion people on average on every other planet in the Imperium (working from 1,000,000 that means 967,620 worlds) which is lower than our current population on Earth. That gave us another 4,838,100,000,000,000 more people.
This gave us a total of 21,028,100,000,000,000 people in the Imperium on a lowball math run (that is 21 Quadrillion people for the record).
Of these 210,281,000,000,000 meet the very basic criteria (1% of the population).
Of those 2,102,810,000,000 complete the basic training (1% of those who meet the basic criteria).
Of those 21,028,100,000 are on any kind of active duty (1% of those who complete the training).
Of those 10,514,050,000 are Battle Sisters (50% of those who are active duty).
With 1 Million Worlds in the Imperium this means the Sisters could in theory put as many as 10, 514 Sisters on every world on average (the real spread is likely much more varied depending on combat operations, duties on Shrine Worlds, escorting pilgrimages, ect. This is just to give a rough idea of how many there could be.)
Now understandably 10.5 Billion sounds like a lot, but considering the scale of the Imperium it turns out to only be .00005% of the entire Imperium (for a comparative basis it'd be like 300 Sisters in the United States, or 6 Sisters to every state in the US), so still plenty "elite" for the setting.
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2016/08/17 02:56:31
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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I would actually put Sisters as numbering in a few dozen mlllions myself, not billions. Mostly because of losses from constant crusades, and the fact that a good portion are not sisters militant to begin with. That said, GW has been wildly inconsistent about it. Like one main rulebook said Sisters only had three Major Orders, when canon it is six. Which is more evidence of the "gw only makes what individual sculptors are fans of" theory.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog |
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2016/08/17 03:03:04
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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For Tau:
•Battlesuits are not robots, they have a pilot curled up in the chestplate. You'd be surprised how many people think they're robots.
•Drones on tanks are BS2, not the BS of the tank.
•Broadsides snap fire if they move, they are not relentless.
•Y'vahra's FMC ability does not make you snap shoot at it.
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Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
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2016/08/17 03:20:06
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
Between Alpha and Omega, and a little to the left
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It's going to take me a long time to set up, position, move, shoot, assault, remove, check for being in cover, and roll on the "kill myself" chart and then enact the way that my model kill themselves. If you have a problem with that, don't play against orks.
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2016/08/17 03:42:47
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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Yes, an ork boy really is T4. I don't understand why so many people are surprised at this.
Yes, I'm charging you with only half my squad left and I'm still getting 40 attacks. Again, people are surprised.
No, my grots do not have an armor save and, yes, they are T2.
And the big one, since this one is honestly confusing: The Lukky stick allows me to reroll as many times as I want for saves, to wound, and to hit. However, once I fail three of those rolls in one turn, my warboss dies.
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"The undead ogre believes the sack of pies is your parrot, and proceeds to eat them. The pies explode, and so does his head. The way is clear." - Me, DMing what was supposed to be a serious Pathfinder campaign.
 6000 - Death Skulls, Painted
 2000 - Admech/Skitarii, Painted |
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2016/08/17 03:52:31
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Confessor Of Sins
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Melissia wrote:I would actually put Sisters as numbering in a few dozen mlllions myself, not billions. Mostly because of losses from constant crusades, and the fact that a good portion are not sisters militant to begin with. That said, GW has been wildly inconsistent about it. Like one main rulebook said Sisters only had three Major Orders, when canon it is six. Which is more evidence of the " gw only makes what individual sculptors are fans of" theory.
The numbers account for 99% of people who become Sisters of Battle not being on active duty and fully half of all Sororitas being in the non-militant Orders.
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2016/08/17 04:45:59
Subject: What do you wish other people knew about your army?
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Stalwart Tribune
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Another one:
No, I don´t play the AdMech. Because its dull and the 30k-list is better......
Following usually a long rant about the two 40k-rip-off-books.
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30k:  Taghmata Omnissiah(5,5k)
Ordo Reductor(4,5k)
Legio Cybernetica(WIP)
40k(Inactive): Adeptus Mechanicus(2,5k)
WFB(Inactive): Nippon, Skaven
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Bonespitta's Badmoons 1441 pts.