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 Insectum7 wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:

I wasn't directly referring to his art in the Daemon Codex. Just that the Daemon Codex itself is just a horrible pile of trash as far as artistic design. It had enough blank space to put 3 other codex inside. It was all unfinished black and white art that was shoved into the corners of almost entirely blank pages. I was able to photocopy the pages and cut out all relevant info and put them on 4 pieces of paper.

You must have a very different version of the book than I do.

 DeffDred wrote:

The point I was making is that John Blanches artwork has no place in published warhammer books unless it is specifically about his style and notes

This is, however, directly referring to his work. And I very much disagree.

See that dot between the statement about Blanche and the statement about the codex. That's called a period. It separates two sentences. Each sentence is a different issue. The codex I'm refering to was the last soft cover version before the current hardback.

You have every right to disagree but no amount of reasoning will change my blind hatred for Blanches work.

Again, STAY ON TOPIC! Enough about Blanche and his coffee stains.

 Insectum7 wrote:


I remember my first impression of them a long time ago, and I thought along similar lines. But when I went back and looked at the models again I was surprised at how tame I now feel they are.

Like I said, they're not very sexy for all they're trying to be. 5th edition Daemonettes were a great line of models, and all they wore was basically a loincloth. They weren't PC but they weren't ashamed of not being PC. The bondage sisters are 'just PC enough' to avoid angry moms calling GW to complain, while trying very hard to be 'suggestive' - thus the 'mistress' with her whips and all.

There's so much potential for good models here. The image of the girl clad only in sacred scrolls is a powerful one, but you could easily put them in flowing white robes (which would have awesome potential for painted blood spatter, or look luminous if painted cleanly), or sisters military dress uniform (shaved head, beret, etcetera) and they'd look sharply professional, for suicide troops.

You could also have professional looking sisters in training that haven't earned their sacred bolter/armor yet. The range needs some expanding, after all.

John Prins wrote:
They weren't PC but they weren't ashamed of not being PC.

“Anti-PC” culture has gone too far!
Nah seriously, what does the word PC even mean nowadays? Makes no sense at all.

Political correctness is using language, policies, measures, etc that are intended not to offend or disadvantage any particular group of people in society. For some reason that makes some people very angry.

Manchu wrote:For those who think the Sisters are obscure, doomed, or desperate for a complete revamp - take note that GW considers their current (YES CURRENT) iteration to be iconic enough to feature in the panoply of their IP at the Licensing Trade Show And Expo this year.

As much as I think GW will eventually revamp the sisters line, I wouldn't take this as any indication of their intent. Fact is, they probably just felt they needed a female presence in their line up of artwork to present a more diverse line up. And that particular Sisters artwork is bloody good lets be honest.

In fact it's the current wallpaper on my phone.

 Cheesecat wrote:
Political correctness is using language, policies, measures, etc that are intended not to offend or disadvantage any particular group of people in society. For some reason that makes some people very angry.

Alternately: 'political correctness' is wasting time and energy manufacturing reasons to be offended and censoring language because of it.

As with anything political correctness is perfectly reasonable when applied sensibly but can be overdone to the point of absurdity.

Because political correctness is the biggest contender to free speech. Free speech is the most fundamental principle of most western countrys. In Germany for example you can loose your job if you talk "incorrect" on social media.This is bad and this makes me angry. Problem is if you can't talk about problems because some persons would be offended, you will never be able to solve such problems. Nowadays it seems more important to not hurt ones feelings than the truth and reality. This is think will be the downfall of western culture. I see it in germany.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Cheesecat wrote:
Political correctness is using language, policies, measures, etc that are intended not to offend or disadvantage any particular group of people in society. For some reason that makes some people very angry.

Alternately: 'political correctness' is wasting time and energy manufacturing reasons to be offended and censoring language because of it.

As with anything political correctness is perfectly reasonable when applied sensibly but can be overdone to the point of absurdity.

This is also true.

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Apparently what you say having consequences (for you) is something that makes you really angry, but I am struggling to see how that related to the Daemonette models that were supposed to be “not PC™®©”.

Anon052 wrote:
Because political correctness is the biggest contender to free speech. Free speech is the most fundamental principle of most western countrys. In Germany for example you can loose your job if you talk "incorrect" on social media.This is bad and this makes me angry. Problem is if you can't talk about problems because some persons would be offended, you will never be able to solve such problems. Nowadays it seems more important to not hurt ones feelings than the truth and reality. This is think will be the downfall of western culture. I see it in germany.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence. You can say what you want but that doesn't mean it will be taken seriously, respected, cared for, liked, etc when you say something people around you have the right to react how they feel like. My level of tolerance can only go so

far after hearing your 5th exhaustive rant about how the world has gone to gak because there's interracial gay couples and transgender people, no one wants to work with some unbearable witch who makes them feel miserable.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Yeah, I can see that.
Apparently what you say having consequences (for you) is something that makes you really angry, but I am struggling to see how that related to the Daemonette models that were supposed to be “not PC™®©”.

It makes me more sad then angry. PC with something like a daemonette is anoying because one group want to control what others like, think, write and talk about. They want to enforce their opinion on others.
Everybody is free to believe what he wants, if an other persons doesn't share his believes he has to accept it. If you like it, great. If you don't like it, this is great too. I don't care as long as you don't force me to your (often) narrow views.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence

Yes you are right. I never said otherwise. Taking personal responsibility is really important and a western "principle" too. Most persons who love PC (I have known) are often persons who can't accept that others don't like their actions and criticise them. It works both ways.

This tangent about political correctness and free speech is way off-topic. Please keep in mind that Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic. Thanks !

Anon052 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Yeah, I can see that.
Apparently what you say having consequences (for you) is something that makes you really angry, but I am struggling to see how that related to the Daemonette models that were supposed to be “not PC™®©”.

It makes me more sad then angry. PC with something like a daemonette is anoying because one group want to control what others like, think, write and talk about. They want to enforce their opinion on others.
Everybody is free to believe what he wants, if an other persons doesn't share his believes he has to accept it. If you like it, great. If you don't like it, this is great too. I don't care as long as you don't force me to your (often) narrow views.

Do you know if this actually happened? Because maybe GW wanted to update it because they felt like a new look, I mean that seems just as plausible.


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 Manchu wrote:
This tangent about political correctness and free speech is way off-topic. Please keep in mind that Rule Number Two is Stay On Topic. Thanks !

Okay, sorry.

 General Kroll wrote:
Fact is, they probably just felt they needed a female presence in their line up of artwork to present a more diverse line up.

That is no bad thing! Licensees making RPGs, board games, and video games have female customers in mind now more than ever when it comes to developing products. If you are right, that means GW thinks Sisters (and let's stress: the current design of Sisters) are the key female protagonists of 40k, as far as marketing goes, sort of like how SM are the key male protagonists.

While plastic Sisters models may yet be a long way off, it is nice to see that GW thinks of them, as they currently are, as such a prominent part of their IP value.

 General Kroll wrote:
And that particular Sisters artwork is bloody good lets be honest.

Absolutely agree!

THat piece of art is also a lot more subtle about it than some of the minis, especially a particular canoness mini I have in mind when people try to emphasize boob-cups.

No doubt new plastic miniatures could and would improve on the existing ones in a number of ways, without tinkering with the existing design.

 Manchu wrote:
No doubt new plastic miniatures could and would improve on the existing ones in a number of ways, without tinkering with the existing design.

I do not see how it is possible to improve something without changing it.


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 Manchu wrote:
(and let's stress: the current design of Sisters)

Well come on, if a licensing expo had been the catalyst of a redesign, I think people would have been more than a bit surprised.

 Ashiraya wrote:
I do not see how it is possible to improve something without changing it.

Creating a new sculpt does not mean creating a new design on which that sculpt is based.

 Ashiraya wrote:
if a licensing expo had been the catalyst of a redesign

Not sure what you are trying to argue here. That GW would not use this expo to unveil a redesign of SoB? Yeah, obviously. The fact that SoB get equal billing to SM at a licensing convention does show, however, that GW highly value SoB as part of their IP (which is their greatest asset).

The fact that SoB get equal billing to SM at a licensing convention does show, however, that GW highly value SoB as part of their IP (which is their greatest asset).

If we're going to be technical, the SM picture is wider.

Besides, WHFB got as much space as AoS did. I am not sure how much you can really take from this one expo.

WHFB does not appear in that pic.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
No doubt new plastic miniatures could and would improve on the existing ones in a number of ways, without tinkering with the existing design.

I do not see how it is possible to improve something without changing it.

Even if they took the existing sculpts and switched them to plastic, there would be a number of improvements. A lot of the bolter models have side scope/sensors/filler between the gun and the torso, just to the limitations of the casting process. Some undercuts are fine, but that bolter needed to be part of the chest. You also run into problems where robes/tabards end up being a solid mass.

Switching to plastic, while not without drawbacks, dose free us from a lot of the artifacts of the old metal casting system.

 Manchu wrote:

 Ashiraya wrote:
I do not see how it is possible to improve something without changing it.

Creating a new sculpt does not mean creating a new design on which that sculpt is based.

I'd like the sisters to acquire some more bulk in terms of armor; aside from the Canoness and maybe some of the heavy weapons models, it's a bit too form-fitting. It's supposed to be power armor, after all.



Maybe not as bulky as this, but this looks like power armor to me.

John Prins wrote:
I'd like the sisters to acquire some more bulk in terms of armor; aside from the Canoness and maybe some of the heavy weapons models, it's a bit too form-fitting.

It's supposed to be power armor, after all.

It's form-fitting because the girls are wearing latex fetish gear, not armor. At most, it's all leather. In 40k terms, it's syn-skin, same as what Imperial Assassins wear.

Sister Sin wears power armor. If we are going back to that look, it would be a major change. I might as well play my RT/2E metal beakies for the appropriate size / mass.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

John Prins wrote:
It's supposed to be power armor, after all.

Sister Sin wears power armor. If we are going back to that look, it would be a major change. I might as well play my RT/2E metal beakies for the appropriate size / mass.

Sister Sin is pretty much wearing Marine armor. Sisters right now barely look like carapace armor with a heavy shoulder set and backpack.

There's probably a happy middle ground. Streamline the boob armor, thicken the waist, bulk up the hips a bit and put actual armor on the forearms and lower legs.

... option B, roll them back to Sv 4+/6++ and keep them in their sexy yoga pants.

Both "options" are unnecessary. Whether you believe a Thunderhawk can actually fly, Space Marines can fit in a Rhino, or SoB power armor grants 3+ saves, here's what Sisters look like:

 Manchu wrote:
WHFB does not appear in that pic.

Third picture from the left.

'Warhammer Fantasy Battles'.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Third picture from the left.

Thought you meant in terms of art - yep WHFB is listed there because the license is valuable. That doesn't diminish the fact that out of a handful of images to represent their IP, GW chose a giant, awesome picture that happens to be the current SoB dex cover.

Leather corset and yoga pants = "Power Armor". Right.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Leather corset and yoga pants = "Power Armor". Right.

In a fantasy world.