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Tau and Marines... makes sense that it would be Raven Guard.

They are the perfect Kill Team type marines (outside of Alpha Legion).

A quick and easy ruleset with a small/manageable group of folks... Please and thank you!

What's the big deal here? We already have a Kill Teams rule book. So are these going to be new rules or just the same rules with minis thrown in?

If it's with the same rules with minis just thrown in, why are people excited? I mean you could be playing now if you wanted. It looks like a lot of people don't play with the current Kill Team rules, so why get excited for something that is already out?

If it's with new rules, I am worried here. That will mean at least when it comes to GW books, they are outdated one to two years. If it is new rules that would mean the current Kill Team rules didn't last long.

Then again, will a new edition next year if true, invalidate these new rules? It just seems like buyer be ware when buying GW books these days. At least with the minis they make the price of the book more easy to swallow.

I want my rules in dead fething tree format okay?!

They need to take it easy on the whole kill team name thing... that's 3 products called kill team out in 2-3 months. Differentiate GW!

Davor wrote:
What's the big deal here? We already have a Kill Teams rule book. So are these going to be new rules or just the same rules with minis thrown in?

If it's with the same rules with minis just thrown in, why are people excited? I mean you could be playing now if you wanted. It looks like a lot of people don't play with the current Kill Team rules, so why get excited for something that is already out?

If it's with new rules, I am worried here. That will mean at least when it comes to GW books, they are outdated one to two years. If it is new rules that would mean the current Kill Team rules didn't last long.

Then again, will a new edition next year if true, invalidate these new rules? It just seems like buyer be ware when buying GW books these days. At least with the minis they make the price of the book more easy to swallow.

Even if this set is just Mini main rules and a new Kill team rules an edition change won't matter. You have the two books you need to keep playing until you want to upgrade.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
They need to take it easy on the whole kill team name thing... that's 3 products called kill team out in 2-3 months. Differentiate GW!

This is the original deal though.

Awwww yessss I've been really wanting to see how Admech/Sktiarii does at small points. This will be a perfect excuse to test that out. Guard too.

Ohhhhhh tempting!

 ultimentra wrote:
Awwww yessss I've been really wanting to see how Admech/Sktiarii does at small points. This will be a perfect excuse to test that out. Guard too.

Vanguard backed by a Dragoon or a Ballistarius worked wonders for me.

As for Guard, I miss the old codex, when I could deploy Harker and Marbo in the same game, to delicious effect.

Interesting but I have no need of space marine or firewarriors. I have my army purchases planned out for the next two years. It includes grabbing some start collecting boxes two of them. I wonder if there will be a story to this?

 Gamgee wrote:
Interesting but I have no need of space marine or firewarriors. I have my army purchases planned out for the next two years. It includes grabbing some start collecting boxes two of them. I wonder if there will be a story to this?

Based on the FB teaser, I'd say it'll have something to do with the Raven Guard going after the Tau. Possibly a stealth mission to take out an ethereal, or maybe they're really going to go all in on the plot advancement and go after Farsight (I doubt they'll be successful there, though).

It's probably, just like with the other boxed games out there, just a small stand-alone operation or the like, nothing too involved with the overall story line.

I like where this is going

il be keeping on eye on this thread.

Bit odd, but really looking forward to the box art for this one. The last few boxed games have had these really neat pieces of art up front instead of the usual contents of the box in photograph form.

If two assassins couldn't take down Farsight I doubt a single ambush will.

Sounds promising. Although it would be even better if they followed the Stormcloud attack model and had several boxes with different match ups.

I would love to see this be a first step toward revision of the WH40K rules but that's probably too much to hope for.

I would buy this in a heartbeat if it meets these criteria:
- Entry-level item for 40K (simplified rules, not as simple as Battle for Vedros but not the 7th core rules, either)
- Campaign system with character advancement (sort of like Necromunda)

It won't invalidate the current Kill Team rules available through Black Library, of course (you can still use those if you want), but given that the rumors are using the same "Kill Team" name I would assume this to be a replacement or update to those rules, rather than a 40K'ed Necromunda-ish thingy.

Oh well. We'll see what we get. Looking forward to the reveal.



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GoatboyBeta wrote:
Sounds promising. Although it would be even better if they followed the Stormcloud attack model and had several boxes with different match ups.

This would be awesome.
Almost like the Deathstorm and Stormclaw campaign boxes, but with Kill Team rules included instead of a campaign book.

Hmm, it seems like a good link with the first White Dwarf talking about Tau.

Official skirmish game in the 40k universe? Yes, please. And if it is with simple rules that allow us to play with three players without having to wait too long before doing something...it would be quite good.

ruhe.bryan wrote:
I would love to see this be a first step toward revision of the WH40K rules but that's probably too much to hope for.

I would buy this in a heartbeat if it meets these criteria:
- Entry-level item for 40K (simplified rules, not as simple as Battle for Vedros but not the 7th core rules, either)
- Campaign system with character advancement (sort of like Necromunda)

It won't invalidate the current Kill Team rules available through Black Library, of course (you can still use those if you want), but given that the rumors are using the same "Kill Team" name I would assume this to be a replacement or update to those rules, rather than a 40K'ed Necromunda-ish thingy.

Oh well. We'll see what we get. Looking forward to the reveal.



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GoatboyBeta wrote:
Sounds promising. Although it would be even better if they followed the Stormcloud attack model and had several boxes with different match ups.

This would be awesome.
Almost like the Deathstorm and Stormclaw campaign boxes, but with Kill Team rules included instead of a campaign book.

It's possible with 8th Ed rumoured in Q2 of next year that it may be a simplified ruleset of 8th but doubtful. I guess it depends on how different they expect 8th Ed to be.
The current rumor is - 32 page soft back Kill Team rule book - skirmish tweaks (updated version of the 6th edition rules, expanded rules for team leaders and specialists, missions and inspirations)
So an update to the 2 year old rules. This doesn't sound like necromunda expanded rules for characters.

 Yodhrin wrote:
This is a cool move, but unless "revamped" means "we pretty much copied the Strike Force rules from FW wholesale", I'll just stick with the far superior Strike Force rules from FW.

Where can one find these Strike Force rules?

FYI - my current version (5e? I thought it was 6e) eBook copy of Kill Team is 29 pages + 2 pages of "buy more digital books and follow us on Facebook/Twitter". Count does not include the cover.

ruhe.bryan wrote:

I would buy this in a heartbeat if it meets these criteria:
- Entry-level item for 40K (simplified rules, not as simple as Battle for Vedros but not the 7th core rules, either)

... keep dreaming

 Verviedi wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Well I need a Breacher Team anyway. Will this have those parts?

Yes.

Wait, wut?

It just says (plastic) Tac Space Marine sprues. The breacher stuff is all Forge World Resin, is it not?

 Azazelx wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Well I need a Breacher Team anyway. Will this have those parts?

Yes.

Wait, wut?

It just says (plastic) Tac Space Marine sprues. The breacher stuff is all Forge World Resin, is it not?

I thought the same thing. Then realized that the new fire warrior variant is called breachers too.

Sorry, I should have specified Tau.

This might be the only time I buy a box for the rules, assuming the Kill Team rules go beyond just the Tau and Marines.

Also I squee'd so hard that every nearby dog for a 3 block radius is now either tone-deaf or extremely angry.

Why has nobody even mention the Heralds of Ruin Kill Team rules? Do people not know that Kill Team has had a super active, fan authored set of rules for many years now? Do people not know that it is continually updated as new codexes release and as the community finds issues? That it is already just a modification framework for the current edition of 40k? That it has codexes to match all the official (and a few unnofocial) codexes in current 40K and a complete campaign ruleset?

The official box set sounds interesting, but it sounds much like a generic take on what the Heralds of Ruin Kill Team rules already do (and have been doing) for many years now, including a very active Facebook group. It's the only way I play 40k anymore.

Main website

Main rules and individual armylists (requires the main 40k rulebook and the actual codex for your army)

The Facebook Group

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
This is a cool move, but unless "revamped" means "we pretty much copied the Strike Force rules from FW wholesale", I'll just stick with the far superior Strike Force rules from FW.

Where can one find these Strike Force rules?

HH3: Extermination. They're presented as being a way to play out the aftermath of the Dropsite Massacre with small bands of Loyalists and Traitors hunting each other, but I've found the rules work fine with every 30K & 40K army I've tried them with so far. I'm presently planning how to use them for the basis of a not-GorkaMorka campaign.

 Kalamadea wrote:
Why has nobody even mention the Heralds of Ruin Kill Team rules? Do people not know that Kill Team has had a super active, fan authored set of rules for many years now? Do people not know that it is continually updated as new codexes release and as the community finds issues? That it is already just a modification framework for the current edition of 40k? That it has codexes to match all the official (and a few unnofocial) codexes in current 40K and a complete campaign ruleset?

The official box set sounds interesting, but it sounds much like a generic take on what the Heralds of Ruin Kill Team rules already do (and have been doing) for many years now, including a very active Facebook group. It's the only way I play 40k anymore.

Main website

Main rules and individual armylists (requires the main 40k rulebook and the actual codex for your army)

The Facebook Group

The Kill Team rules from Heralds of Ruin are a lot of fun. My group occasionally runs a game using the lists from Heralds of Ruin (they are much more interesting than the GW KT lists), and the GW rules (we probably would use the full HoR rules, but since we probably only play once every few months, and have a regular Mordheim campaign going, we felt we wanted something quick that wasn't campaign based). That said, I have played a couple games with the full HoR rules and they are great, I definitely second that people should check them out.

 Kalamadea wrote:
Why has nobody even mention the Heralds of Ruin Kill Team rules? Do people not know that Kill Team has had a super active, fan authored set of rules for many years now? Do people not know that it is continually updated as new codexes release and as the community finds issues? That it is already just a modification framework for the current edition of 40k? That it has codexes to match all the official (and a few unnofocial) codexes in current 40K and a complete campaign ruleset?

The official box set sounds interesting, but it sounds much like a generic take on what the Heralds of Ruin Kill Team rules already do (and have been doing) for many years now, including a very active Facebook group. It's the only way I play 40k anymore.

Main website

Main rules and individual armylists (requires the main 40k rulebook and the actual codex for your army)

The Facebook Group

Many 40k players won't touch homebrew stuff with a 10 foot pole. It doesn't matter if it's the greatest thing known to man, they'll only play "official" GW books. Even FW is still viewed with suspicion in some areas.

I know in the past when I've tried to convince people to play this or 1 page 40k it was like pulling teeth. They'll claim they hate GW's rules all day but the moment you provide them an alternative they turn their noses up at it. I have no idea why, that's just how it is.