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Infiltrate allows you to outflank at the very least.

Well then I'll never bring Scions LOL

Actually at this low point level Tauroxes could be ok... except they're still pretty expensive for what they do. Would be a fluffy list if nothing else.

Necrons it is, though.

I love my relentless hotshot volleygun and my cover ignoring plasma gun.

 BrookM wrote:
I love my relentless hotshot volleygun and my cover ignoring plasma gun.

True, not a bad option there. At the same time, speaking from experience, footslogging those really squishy bodies is a pain when you pay a lot of points for DS/MTC. Each one being the same price as a Space Marine but without ATSKNF/3+ is... suboptimal. I'll play with it anyway, very excited for Kill Team nonetheless!

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

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 tyrannosaurus wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
Again, no interest in a new GW release. So many other skirmish games I would play ahead of this [Infinity, Bushido, Marvel, Mordheim...]

Thanks for stopping by to share that.

Sharing thoughts about a gaming release on a gaming forum? Shame on me! Would you prefer "Oh my God this is so awesoooooooome, an expensive rebox with rules inferior to those freely available on the internet, woohoo!"? Better?

Actually I'd prefer you to say "I'm not interested in this. I'll just move on to something I am interested in and let others enjoy it." If you aren't interested, what is the point of even commenting. Oh. Right. You're just trolling. Carry on.

You mean exactly what he did say before MGS decided to take a gak down his neck? And if you' aren't interested in reading opinions you disagree with, what is the point of even frequenting a discussion forum? Oh. Right. You're just doing exactly what you're accusing someone else of doing, except you actually are doing it.

Seriously people, if your definition of trolling is "not gushing uncritically in agreement with my own personal taste", then just walk away from the internet now and save both yourselves and those of us capable of tolerating interaction with differing views a lot of annoyance.

I hardly took a gak down his neck, sunshine. And where was the opinion to disagree with, it was 'I don't play this and won't play this'.

I wonder what the outcome would be if I posted as frequently as tyrannosorearse does in GW threads, in other company's threads to say 'Hi, I'm posting to say I'm not interested in this product'.

It was a pointless comment, seriously, it had the same worth as me posting in the next WM/H thread to say 'I don't play WM/H'.

Whether it was trolling is possibly up for debate, whether it was vacuous isn't.

Okay, third time lucky at posting in this thread, after being accused of both spam and trolling [who mods the mods?] I've been playing GW games for years, started trying other things, and would love to be tempted back by a quality release. My post was to show disappointment that this would not be it. As a skirmish game I don't believe KT bears favourable comparison with other skirmish games that have been designed as skirmish games, as it is essentially 40k lite rather than being an entirely new game designed to be played on a model by model basis. In addition, it's not as though the models will tempt me back either, as they are merely a reboxing of existing sprues.

My point about tinpot admins still stands though, although paying the DCM tax does seem to guarantee freedom of speech. Might see if I can find 15 squid so that my posts don't get deleted.

Since some people seemed interested in hearing about Herald of Ruins rules: MiniWarGaming filmed a narrative campaign involving a Deathwatch kill team (it was a few month ago, so not with the current deathwatch codex). I think it's one of their best shows, and it really has all the aspects of a nice skirmish version of 40K: http://www.miniwargaming.com/show/augustines-station (half of the videos are only accessible to people who pay a subscription, but the other half is free).
They used a home brew version of HoR rules, and they're currently in the process of updating them for an upcoming campaign (https://www.dropbox.com/s/yqxh187huupb4xr/Deathwatch%20Campaign%20Sequel.pdf?dl=0). The campaign aspect is much more fleshed out than in HoR (each character has XP, levels up and gain new special rules etc.). I've never played with their rules, and in their campaign they have a game master controlling various xenos factions, so it might be harder to play with people, but it sure looks like a fun mix between 40K and a classic RPG.

Edit: I started reading the rules I put the link to, and they're quite different than the one they used in the campaign a few month back

Ben2 wrote:
I think for Nids players will either go with stealers or all synapse creatures. Tyranid Warriors are a fair bit scarier in Kill Team than standard 40k.

Well, why not a Lictor? Looks like you could field even four of them (the Ork team they sell has two Elites) - one Leader and three specialists. Don't forget to bring some extra terrain.

Hive Guard are a nuisance too.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Hive Guard are a nuisance too.

Yes, but with Ld 7 it's more of a gamble without a synapse.

Requizen wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I love my relentless hotshot volleygun and my cover ignoring plasma gun.

True, not a bad option there. At the same time, speaking from experience, footslogging those really squishy bodies is a pain when you pay a lot of points for DS/MTC. Each one being the same price as a Space Marine but without ATSKNF/3+ is... suboptimal. I'll play with it anyway, very excited for Kill Team nonetheless!

In my experience, the most fun Kill Team games are played on tables with 50%-75% terrain coverage, including lots of areas of difficult terrain, and a smattering of dangerous terrain as well. Played that way, you get a lot of mileage out of Move Through Cover, and all that terrain makes 3+ saves a bit less important as well.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Making KT lists really is proving to be fun. I think i'll take a short break from painting Age of Sigmar armies and assemble and paint a few Kill Teams for armies I always liked models from, but would never commit to building full armies of. Dark Eldar, here I come!

I just want to mentioned this has been the same for me. I ended up going to AoS now that it has a points/FoC system and the joke rules are gone. It's felt alot better then the crazy formations you see in 40k ATM. Kill Team cleaning out the formation shenanigans is what I relay need ATM from that game.

Got to hand it to GW. They have remove that ridiculous MT bundle. Seems like they do read message boards.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Got to hand it to GW. They have remove that ridiculous MT bundle. Seems like they do read message boards.

Were people really complaining about that?

Of course they were. Why shouldn't they ?? They were offering less for the same price of the start collecting bundle.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Of course they were. Why shouldn't they ?? They were offering less for the same price of the start collecting bundle.

...Good point, and I didn't realize that. I'll see myself out now.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:
My point about tinpot admins still stands though, although paying the DCM tax does seem to guarantee freedom of speech. Might see if I can find 15 squid so that my posts don't get deleted.

No it fething does not. Being a DCM does not mean we get away with anything.

 Ambience 327 wrote:
In my experience, the most fun Kill Team games are played on tables with 50%-75% terrain coverage, including lots of areas of difficult terrain, and a smattering of dangerous terrain as well. Played that way, you get a lot of mileage out of Move Through Cover, and all that terrain makes 3+ saves a bit less important as well.

This, oh-so much this! I've seen people play it on minimal terrain tables and lament that certain engagements were over in a turn or two, but you need to have a good amount of terrain on the table to make the most of this, especially with a lower model count it pays off to take a moment or two to get those models into the best cover possible.

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Requizen wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
I love my relentless hotshot volleygun and my cover ignoring plasma gun.

True, not a bad option there. At the same time, speaking from experience, footslogging those really squishy bodies is a pain when you pay a lot of points for DS/MTC. Each one being the same price as a Space Marine but without ATSKNF/3+ is... suboptimal. I'll play with it anyway, very excited for Kill Team nonetheless!

In my experience, the most fun Kill Team games are played on tables with 50%-75% terrain coverage, including lots of areas of difficult terrain, and a smattering of dangerous terrain as well. Played that way, you get a lot of mileage out of Move Through Cover, and all that terrain makes 3+ saves a bit less important as well.

Somebody plays even basic 40k with less than 50% terrain? Silly idea.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Got to hand it to GW. They have remove that ridiculous MT bundle. Seems like they do read message boards.

Oh good, that was slightly embarrassing. Hopefully they bring it back at a discount when they smack someone in management around the face with a kipper.

Honestly part of me deep down would've expected them to remove the start collecting box over the kill team embarrassment, so I'm pleased.

Really they should just add the PDF for that guy's Kill Team to the Start Collecting MT page.

It's posting was kind of a head-scratcher. But then they sell a Seraphon Carnosaur for $85 and a Start Collecting Seraphon box (with a Carnosaur and a bunch of other stuff) for $85 as well so ...

I'd really like to see example Kill Team PDFs from all factions, I really like them though I see now that you would still need to appropriate codex.

Requizen wrote:
Well then I'll never bring Scions LOL

Actually at this low point level Tauroxes could be ok... except they're still pretty expensive for what they do. Would be a fluffy list if nothing else.

Necrons it is, though.

Nine tomb blades with gauss, nebuloscopes and shield vanes.

It can be an absolutely devastating kill team, since everyone seems to like relying on cover saves.

Irrumare wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Well then I'll never bring Scions LOL

Actually at this low point level Tauroxes could be ok... except they're still pretty expensive for what they do. Would be a fluffy list if nothing else.

Necrons it is, though.

Nine tomb blades with gauss, nebuloscopes and shield vanes.

It can be an absolutely devastating kill team, since everyone seems to like relying on cover saves.

A poster on another site I go to says this: Scouts are king in Kill Team. Infiltrate/Scout + Camo Cloaks makes them very efficient models at low point counts, and Sniper Rifles make them threats against anything but vehicles (which are rare in Kill Team). But Tomb Blades have Ignores Cover AP4, and are therefore the direct counter. Countering the King doesn't make you King, but it sure helps.

would such a list be valid?
NightSpear
Ranger
Ranger
Fire Dragon
WraithGuard
WraithGuard

or do you have to take the minimum for a squad choice?
Bit unsure of that.

Indeed, you buy models in minimal squads at the very least, plus Nightspear is a HQ choice, correct?

Yes NightSpear is a HQ choice.

Then he's not allowed.

Once more, with feeling.

0-1 Elites
0-2 Troops
0-1 Fast Attack

200 pts maximum, no formations, no unbound, no 2+ armour saves, no models with more than 3 wounds or HP's.

 BrookM wrote:

200 pts maximum.

Guess I'll be using a 5 Man DW-Killteam

Same here, though mine will mostly be a bunch of special snowflakes decked out with stuff most people will probably laugh at.

Random weapons and kit? Pretty much my idea on that.

Based on that then I think I will try out the following;

#1: Big'uns
WraithGuard x6

#2: Big Blades
WraithBlades x6

#3: Rangers Hunt
Rangers x5
Rangers x5
Vyper: x1 + Missle Launcher + Shuriken Cannon

{ like this one }

#4: Avenge the Fallen
Dire Avengers x5 + Exarch w/Power Sword and Shimmershield
Dire Avengers x6

#5 Silent Hunt
Striking Scropions x5 + Exarch w/Biting Blade
Rangers x6

Think I will have a go with those.