GW News & Rumours [40K]: 30k Ahriman, 40k Kharn, Void Shield gen & CSM Black Crusade supplement

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**H.B.M.C.**

$75 New Zealand, not Australian, so it's like play money, not real currency.

**Azreal13**

I must admit I was a bit baffled by the price rage. As at £22 he's firmly in the ball park for clamshell characters (especially those where you're absolutely never ever going to need more than one per army.)

But I just did a quick currency conversion, and £22 currently translates to a little over NZ$40.

So feth GW in the... eye.

**Abadabadoobaddon**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wow... a bundle with the ancient hybrid Havocs.

At this point I'd put the odds of ever seeing plastic Havocs vs them just changing the Havoc entry to only special weapons & heavy bolters at around 50/50.

**Joyboozer**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wow... a bundle with the ancient hybrid Havocs.

At this point I'd put the odds of ever seeing plastic Havocs vs them just changing the Havoc entry to only special weapons & heavy bolters at around 50/50.

Or just remove the havoc entry so stores have more shelf space for bezerker kits, hands down the most popular kit GW ever produced!

**Abadabadoobaddon**

aracersss wrote:

... looks like no new berserkers

Is it just me or do the 2 berzerkers in the front of that picture have arms from the CSM kit? They're so old GW is too embarrassed to show the actual stock models with their giant hands?

**gigasnail**

pretty sure you're right there.

**Roknar**

I think you're right about the arms. I don't remember that tooth on the bolt pistol either, but last time i built any zerkers was in third edition so yea....

**Anon052**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Is it just me or do the 2 berzerkers in the front of that picture have arms from the CSM kit? They're so old GW is too embarrassed to show the actual stock models with their giant hands?

Yes I did notice the different arms with not ugly chainswords like the ones from the zerks kit. For a second I believed they could be new Berzerkers before I realized these are the arms from the csm kit.

Am I the only one who hates the new Kharn? I find him the most ugly miniature in a long time. From the front he is completly overloaded with details. And a lot of those details are way too big, like the oversized ugly chains and the ugly skull on the abdomen. He doesn't look like a marine in power armor but like a chaos warrior in Fantasy. His proportions are off and his bearing is completly wrong.
I want the old miniature back. The old one had at least Style,

**Matt.Kingsley**

I can't help but notice that the cards aren't available separately yet...

This release is just plain odd.
- Campaign book costing the same as a codex (cheaper than the other campaigns)
- Overpriced Kharn
- Cards only available with the campaign (for now, hopefully)
- Limited Edition version costing more than codex limited editions while having the same amount of stuff
-Re-release of the VSG in plastic with varying prices (increases, decreases and stable) in different regions for seemingly no reason
- Renegade Knights costs more than a normal Knight because it has different transfers (what the actual feth)

**Roknar**

Wait a minute. I just checked the traitors hate description on the new zealand site. It mentions word bearers too:

"On the Warmaster’s orders, Xorphas commands the Crimson Slaughter, Black Legion and Word Bearers forces as he seeks a monstrous source of power that could spell the doom of the Imperium itself."

I haven't read anything about word bearers yet. I wonder if this is what they mean by mixing dameons and csm, though going by the bundles we have so far they can't possibly be getting much.

And for what it's worth it also says this " Updated rules for fielding Chaos Predator and Vindicator squadrons" so um..yay..I guess?

**streetsamurai**

Ho wow. Just check the rates and the nez Zealand dollar is pretty much equivalent to the canadian dollar. Is there really people over there who buy these insanely priced minis?

**Leggy**

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
aracersss wrote:

... looks like no new berserkers

Is it just me or do the 2 berzerkers in the front of that picture have arms from the CSM kit? They're so old GW is too embarrassed to show the actual stock models with their giant hands?

Pretty sure the whole body on the front guy is from the CSM sprue. Only the head (&maybe shoulder pads) are from the bezerker kit.

**pepsuber**

Yea looks like a mix of zerkers and normal CSM. The models that look like they are running are the proper zerker models

**aracersss**

Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I can't help but notice that the cards aren't available separately yet...
- Cards only available with the campaign (for now, hopefully)

not sure if nobody even bothered to actually type the word 'cards' in the search box, and see if there isn't actually a heretic astartes deck ...

**Matt.Kingsley**

Yes, seems they are there.

You'd think they'd be in the Pre-order or Cards sections (I checked both before I posted). Hell, you'd even think they'd be listed in the Chaos Space Marine section.

Nope. They're on the store but only if you search for them. You can't find them any other way (at least, on the AUS store you can't).
The site was definitely worth every cent paid to Kirby's wife... grumble...

For those wondering they're called "Heretic Astartes Psychic Powers". Search that and you'll find them (don't search cards as they won't come up as they are neither classified as cards on the store nor contain 'cards' in the name).

**aracersss**

same deal happened with mont'ka back then (and possibly still now), you couldn't find mont'ka separated from kauyon, unless you typed it or search in the new release tab

**Cheex**

Leggy wrote:
Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
aracersss wrote:

... looks like no new berserkers

Is it just me or do the 2 berzerkers in the front of that picture have arms from the CSM kit? They're so old GW is too embarrassed to show the actual stock models with their giant hands?

Pretty sure the whole body on the front guy is from the CSM sprue. Only the head (&maybe shoulder pads) are from the bezerker kit.

The legs are also from the Berzerker kit. And you can see the hamfist on the Berzerker on the right.

Gotta say that I love the Kharn model now, having seen the 360 image. I'm a bit surprised that his head is moulded onto the body, though - I was planning on removing the tassels (and most of the chains), so that makes it a bit harder.

**casvalremdeikun**

I really hope the Black Crusader Detachment allows you to take formationa from Black Legion, Crimson Slaughter, and KDK. Unfortunately it doesn't look like BL and CS are getting their own detachments.

**Motograter**

Lol berzerkers wont get a new kit but watch GW release them as an upgrade kit where you can mix the ancient berzerkers alongside the equally horribly old csm kit. You want chain axes lol no

**Hod**

**H.B.M.C.**

So the Aussie prices are up.

Kharn is more expensive than (in pricing order, and again not including Monstrous Creatures):

1. Blood Angel Chaplain
2. Blood Angel Terminator Librarian
3. Space Marine Command Squad (WTF?)
4. The combined set that has the plastic Marine Captain, Chaplain and Librarian in one bundle (WT-F'ing-F!!!)
5. The (also blatantly overpriced) Tech-Priest Enginseer
6. Big Mek w/Shokk Attack Gun
7. The Space Marine Captain box
8. Twice the price of the BA Termy Libby.
9. Over twice the price of every other HQ mini, from the Painboy through to Colonel 'Iron Hand' Straken.

The only command units more expensive are the Tech-Priest dude from the Ad Mech army (but you can get him in the Starterbox so who cares), the two-pack 30K heroes, the Crisis Commander... and that's it (exclusding Squad + HQ bundles).

I say again:

What.
The.
Feth.
GW?

**Motograter**

The new pricing guy must have been fired. Deathwatch terminator captain with sprue £15, Khárn £22. The actual f%&£

**Warp Rider**

So with each campaign book, new models were released. Tau got new FW/Breachers, Crisis suits, Ghostkeel and more. SW got Wulfen, Iron Priest(?) Etc and so far this campaign got a new Kharn. Surely there is more but those pictures seem to show not much else :(

**Chikout**

As I said before, try complaining directly to Gw.(in a slighty more polite way than what the f.) Alternatively don't buy the mini.

**Gamgee**

This doesn't seem like a major chaos release. Just the prelude.

**Warhams-77**

The reliable rumormongers never mentioned more than the Traitor's Hate book, plastic Kharn and psychic cards.

The release is exactly what they said. Even the source from Faeit rumoring all this including the VSG re-release was correct.

Cant wait to download the sample digital book now

**SicSemperTyrannis**

Pre-Orders are up (atleast in germany)

**Chikout**

The gorechosen game is up for preorder on the 17th. That leaves one week free. I wonder what is coming.

**Roknar**

The pre-orders are up for the rest of europe too.

**King Pyrrhus**

The limited edition price seems crazy to me. £110 is way more then I'm willing to pay.
Seeing as the normal version of the book is £30, I was expecting £50 and I might have paid £60. Instead now I'll just buy the normal version from my flgs for 20% off.