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 godardc wrote:
I do think Leviathan / Exterminatus was a missed opportunity. Blood Angels should have been fixed in those books, and shouldn't have a book AGAIN.
But if Traitor's Hate can help, it still a win, I guess.

I agree completely. I was so optimistic about the Leviathan/Exterminatus set and formations and to be sure there were a couple of interesting ones in there, but they didn't fix the core codex which is decidedly behind the curve being released prior to the new Necron codex and Decurions becoming the order of the day.

I'll be honest. I don't want free transports or Librarian Conclaves. I just want something fun, and functional that can stand on close to equal footing with SM & DA.

I'm liking the new Chaos stuff that's inbound. Looking forward to playing against it on the tabletop soon.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-




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 Mymearan wrote:

What's broken about the Eldar decurion? Most people don't even use it. The Aspect Shrine is a bit bonkers but that's it.

I concur with this. None of the Eldar Decurions are what I would consider broken. The best one of them is the Wind Rider Host, in my opinion, but even it isn't broken by itself. It's Jump shoot jump units that are maddeningly frustrating.

Now Aspect Shrine is crazy trains good. Two to three squads of Warp Spiders that are BS:5, hitting and wounding on 2+, can run and shoot the turn they arrive from Deep Strike and can teleport away in the ensuing assault phase before they get flickerjump when you shoot at them? Mother of mercy they're horrifying. Pants gakkingly horrifying.

Then you factor in the jetbikes... and It (by it, I mean your army) devolves quickly. It's banana hammers.

Just my opinion on that. Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

 godardc wrote:
Why do we have Traitor's Hate before Fenris Part II ? Was something released between Leviathan and Exterminatus ? Kauyon and Montka ?

What we were referencing to as Fenris II will probably be the Thousand Sons + Magnus Daemonprimarch release later in the year. According to Sad Panda Magnus comes after the HH Ahriman - who should be in the next HH boardgame.

Then there is Silver Tower. Sad Panda mentioned a quite impressive range of Tzeentch miniatures (mostly for AoS). Silver Tower was released in April, and if Assassinorum and BaC are a hint for things to come, several of the Silver Tower models could see a re-release half a year later, so around October. According to Sad Panda there will be crossover possibilities for these Tzeentch models with 40k. We have Pink, Blue and Brimstone Horrors in ST. They would be a good candidate for a Q4 release, the latter two getting new multipart boxes I guess.

Then the next HH boardgame and the Thousand Sons release afterwards. According to an interview with the author of the Warzone Fenris sequel novel, Legacy of Russ which was already released as an ebook series, the Warzone Fenris situation could be continued in other systems.

Warhams-77 wrote:

 godardc wrote:
Why do we have Traitor's Hate before Fenris Part II ? Was something released between Leviathan and Exterminatus ? Kauyon and Montka ?

What we were referencing to as Fenris II will probably be the Thousand Sons + Magnus Daemonprimarch release later in the year. According to Sad Panda Magnus comes after the HH Ahriman - who should be in the next HH boardgame.

Then there is Silver Tower. Sad Panda mentioned a quite impressive range of Tzeentch miniatures (mostly for AoS). Silver Tower was released in April, and if Assassinorum and BaC are a hint for things to come, several of the Silver Tower models could see a re-release half a year later, so around October. According to Sad Panda there will be crossover possibilities for these Tzeentch models with 40k. We have Pink, Blue and Brimstone Horrors in ST. They would be a good candidate for a Q4 release, the latter two getting new multipart boxes I guess.

Then the next HH boardgame and the Thousand Sons release afterwards. According to an interview with the author of the Warzone Fenris sequel novel, Legacy of Russ which was already released as an ebook series, the Warzone Fenris situation could be continued in other systems.

Ok, thanks !

Charax wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
What is the spwan one ?

The Spawn one is "You get to take some spawn, yay". no special rules

You can take an infinite amount of singular Spawns though. If the game/tournament isn't about Kill Points (a.k.a crap tournament that favours deathstars) it could be a very effective and disrupting MSU.

 Red__Thirst wrote:


Now Aspect Shrine is crazy trains good. Two to three squads of Warp Spiders that are BS:5, hitting and wounding on 2+, can run and shoot the turn they arrive from Deep Strike and can teleport away in the ensuing assault phase before they get flickerjump when you shoot at them? Mother of mercy they're horrifying. Pants gakkingly horrifying.

Then you factor in the jetbikes... and It (by it, I mean your army) devolves quickly. It's banana hammers.

Just my opinion on that. Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Ironically, my Harlequins have a field trip against Warpspider armies.

 Red__Thirst wrote:
Ah I missed it then, saw it had been posted yesterday on BoLS but didn't go far enough back in the thread here. My bad.

With all the cool new stuff coming out for Chaos I'm cautiously optimistic to see what BA get with these formations, and detachments.


-Red__Thirst-

Lol cool new stuff. Nope. Id not hold your breath for blood angels getting fixed or cool stuff, chaos definitely hasn't. Though as BA are imperial it wouldn't surprise me but chaos got crapped on yet again

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The difference there is the the FSE and Tau decurions are specific detachments.

The Crimson Slaughter benefits are like the generic FSE benefits, you name a detachment as being CS and get the CS bonuses on top of those of the Detachment (like FSE and their Crisis Suit troops).

However I don't think you can make a Black Crusade detachment a CS detachment, since one gives you free VotLW upgrades and the other makes it so you can't have any units with VotLW. I don't see anything stopping you from taking one of the Traitor's Hate Formations outside of a Black Crusade Detachment and making it CS.

The free VotLW is optional. So if you made your Black Crusade a CS detachment you would not be able to utilize it. The Favoured of Chaos cannot be a CS formation because the Daemon Prince has VotLW. Other than that I don't see any conflicts.

Black Crusade gives Hatred (Armies of the Imperium) so all you're missing out on is the +1 Ld. Would be good for a fluffy NL army.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The difference there is the the FSE and Tau decurions are specific detachments.

The Crimson Slaughter benefits are like the generic FSE benefits, you name a detachment as being CS and get the CS bonuses on top of those of the Detachment (like FSE and their Crisis Suit troops).

However I don't think you can make a Black Crusade detachment a CS detachment, since one gives you free VotLW upgrades and the other makes it so you can't have any units with VotLW. I don't see anything stopping you from taking one of the Traitor's Hate Formations outside of a Black Crusade Detachment and making it CS.

The free VotLW is optional. So if you made your Black Crusade a CS detachment you would not be able to utilize it. The Favoured of Chaos cannot be a CS formation because the Daemon Prince has VotLW. Other than that I don't see any conflicts.

Black Crusade gives Hatred (Armies of the Imperium) so all you're missing out on is the +1 Ld. Would be good for a fluffy NL army.

Crimson slaughter only stops you from purchasing veterans of the long war, it doesn't stop you from taking models that have it by default, otherwise they wouldn't be able to take thousand sons/rubric marines.

 Motograter wrote:

 Red__Thirst wrote:
Ah I missed it then, saw it had been posted yesterday on BoLS but didn't go far enough back in the thread here. My bad.

With all the cool new stuff coming out for Chaos I'm cautiously optimistic to see what BA get with these formations, and detachments.


-Red__Thirst-

Lol cool new stuff. Nope. Id not hold your breath for blood angels getting fixed or cool stuff, chaos definitely hasn't. Though as BA are imperial it wouldn't surprise me but chaos got crapped on yet again

Wow, bitter much? These new chaos formations are actually pretty cool I think. They certainty have potential anyway.

Sorry to hear you think otherwise, but to each their own.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

 Red__Thirst wrote:

 Motograter wrote:

 Red__Thirst wrote:
Ah I missed it then, saw it had been posted yesterday on BoLS but didn't go far enough back in the thread here. My bad.

With all the cool new stuff coming out for Chaos I'm cautiously optimistic to see what BA get with these formations, and detachments.


-Red__Thirst-

Lol cool new stuff. Nope. Id not hold your breath for blood angels getting fixed or cool stuff, chaos definitely hasn't. Though as BA are imperial it wouldn't surprise me but chaos got crapped on yet again

Wow, bitter much? These new chaos formations are actually pretty cool I think. They certainty have potential anyway.

Sorry to hear you think otherwise, but to each their own.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Lol not bitter just pointing out information. Having had these formations for a few days even checking them over and over while some are average its still a waste of a book. Chaos used to be good. 8th will hopefully sort them but I'm not holding out hope. As you say each to their own

Hastings just popped up in the war of sigmar comments section to say that we will be seeing Magnus Angorn, Mortarion, Russ and Guilliman in 40k.

Possessed crimson slaughter Rhino rush may be a decent tactic, since they will grant the rhino shrouded at the start of the fight sub phase, until the start of the next turn, so if you pop smoke the rhinos will will become quite difficult to take down with the 2+ cover save.

Where's the terminator formation? I don't see it.

Chikout wrote:
Hastings just popped up in the war of sigmar comments section to say that we will be seeing Magnus Angorn, Mortarion, Russ and Guilliman in 40k.

No Corax?

Dropped.

I can't wait to see Magnus/Angorn/Mortarion get easily crushed by Russ and Gulliman in one page of fluff.

How would the Rhinos benefit from Shrouded against shooting when the DP+Possessed -formation only grants the bonuses at the start of the Fight sub-phase, lasting until the end of that turn. The Possessed of CS have a different wording on theirs (start of turn until next player turn) and directly contradict the Traitors Hate -formations wording. Ergo:

I highly doubt the Black Crusade Detachments can be made into Crimson Slaughter ones to abuse their special rules combined with the formation rules. Ask about it in the certainly upcoming FAQ/post your questions - query on FB. I bet my money on GW saying you can't do that.

 Motograter wrote:

 Red__Thirst wrote:

 Motograter wrote:

 Red__Thirst wrote:
Ah I missed it then, saw it had been posted yesterday on BoLS but didn't go far enough back in the thread here. My bad.

With all the cool new stuff coming out for Chaos I'm cautiously optimistic to see what BA get with these formations, and detachments.


-Red__Thirst-

Lol cool new stuff. Nope. Id not hold your breath for blood angels getting fixed or cool stuff, chaos definitely hasn't. Though as BA are imperial it wouldn't surprise me but chaos got crapped on yet again

Wow, bitter much? These new chaos formations are actually pretty cool I think. They certainty have potential anyway.

Sorry to hear you think otherwise, but to each their own.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

Lol not bitter just pointing out information. Having had these formations for a few days even checking them over and over while some are average its still a waste of a book. Chaos used to be good. 8th will hopefully sort them but I'm not holding out hope. As you say each to their own

less salty tears the best formations are respawning in cheap units is one of the best formation benefits. (Especially with zealot and typhus) You can poo poo it all you want but the most powerful formation effects are respawning (free points), free upgrades, assault After deep strike, summoning, and buff stacking/sharing. And chaos just got most of those effects and are still crying. On top of a cheap flexible decurion. It's not game breaking but they are good effects any codex would want. You don't think blood Angels would want a few of thier assault units to have change after deep strike? Even with disorganized lol your kidding yourself.

Chikout wrote:
Hastings just popped up in the war of sigmar comments section to say that we will be seeing Magnus Angorn, Mortarion, Russ and Guilliman in 40k.

with rogal dorn rumored to be the first loyalist primarch to show up this makes sense.

3 loyal primarchs, 3 chaos primarchs.

then with the added rumor of additional returning primarchs that may no longer side with the imperium/chaos.


SUper excited to see how this all plays out in the next year.

 Rydria wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The difference there is the the FSE and Tau decurions are specific detachments.

The Crimson Slaughter benefits are like the generic FSE benefits, you name a detachment as being CS and get the CS bonuses on top of those of the Detachment (like FSE and their Crisis Suit troops).

However I don't think you can make a Black Crusade detachment a CS detachment, since one gives you free VotLW upgrades and the other makes it so you can't have any units with VotLW. I don't see anything stopping you from taking one of the Traitor's Hate Formations outside of a Black Crusade Detachment and making it CS.

The free VotLW is optional. So if you made your Black Crusade a CS detachment you would not be able to utilize it. The Favoured of Chaos cannot be a CS formation because the Daemon Prince has VotLW. Other than that I don't see any conflicts.

Black Crusade gives Hatred (Armies of the Imperium) so all you're missing out on is the +1 Ld. Would be good for a fluffy NL army.

Crimson slaughter only stops you from purchasing veterans of the long war, it doesn't stop you from taking models that have it by default, otherwise they wouldn't be able to take thousand sons/rubric marines.

The rule states:

No units in a Crimson Slaughter Detachment or Formation can have the Veterans of the Long War special rule except Khorne Berzerkers, Plague Marines and Noise Marines.

Do Thousand Sons have the Veterans of the Long War special rule? Are they Khorne Berzerkers, Plague Marines or Noise Marines?

Triszin wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Hastings just popped up in the war of sigmar comments section to say that we will be seeing Magnus Angorn, Mortarion, Russ and Guilliman in 40k.

with rogal dorn rumored to be the first loyalist primarch to show up this makes sense.

3 loyal primarchs, 3 chaos primarchs.

then with the added rumor of additional returning primarchs that may no longer side with the imperium/chaos.


SUper excited to see how this all plays out in the next year.

On one hand, I'm really excited to see what they're doing with 40k under this new direction. The setting feels fun and interesting again, though the rules could... still use some work, let's say.

On the other hand, as a Necron player, I'm just kinda twiddling my thumbs while SM and CSM are getting all this stuff. I want a Silent King model, darn it!

Would really like to see the DA get some love, though I have the feeling it will be a few years. It's also pretty clear that the Lion will probably be the last Primarch that FW produces, so my wait will be a long one.

 Retrogamer0001 wrote:
Would really like to see the DA get some love, though I have the feeling it will be a few years. It's also pretty clear that the Lion will probably be the last Primarch that FW produces, so my wait will be a long one.

Depends. There are less alive and "possibly alive" primarchs in 40k than in 30k, and he's one of the ones that is pretty heavily implied to be alive and in wait. If he's not one of the first, he won't be long behind I'd imagine.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Spoiler:

 Rydria wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The difference there is the the FSE and Tau decurions are specific detachments.

The Crimson Slaughter benefits are like the generic FSE benefits, you name a detachment as being CS and get the CS bonuses on top of those of the Detachment (like FSE and their Crisis Suit troops).

However I don't think you can make a Black Crusade detachment a CS detachment, since one gives you free VotLW upgrades and the other makes it so you can't have any units with VotLW. I don't see anything stopping you from taking one of the Traitor's Hate Formations outside of a Black Crusade Detachment and making it CS.

The free VotLW is optional. So if you made your Black Crusade a CS detachment you would not be able to utilize it. The Favoured of Chaos cannot be a CS formation because the Daemon Prince has VotLW. Other than that I don't see any conflicts.

Black Crusade gives Hatred (Armies of the Imperium) so all you're missing out on is the +1 Ld. Would be good for a fluffy NL army.

Crimson slaughter only stops you from purchasing veterans of the long war, it doesn't stop you from taking models that have it by default, otherwise they wouldn't be able to take thousand sons/rubric marines.

The rule states:

No units in a Crimson Slaughter Detachment or Formation can have the Veterans of the Long War special rule except Khorne Berzerkers, Plague Marines and Noise Marines.

Do Thousand Sons have the Veterans of the Long War special rule? Are they Khorne Berzerkers, Plague Marines or Noise Marines?

Those are excempt from that rule. that is berzerkers, plague marines and noise marines. Thousand Sons get the middle finger because chaos.

Man, if Dorn is actually coming, I will 100% be buying him. Sure, my army is just his offshoot children, but he will probably still be okay with them. C:SM need some Lord of War characters actually worth the title.

Between Dorn and more BA, I will be set.

I am really hoping the updated Assault Marine datasheat allows them to be taken as Troops.

It won't be Dorn. It will be Guilliman, Russ, the Lion and Sanguinius. One for each standalone codex, fluff be damned.

And the Grey Knight primarch. And the Deathwatch primarch too.

I'm not that keen on the idea, that primarchs are going to appear in 40k.

Mystery lost. even more attention to marines, even through we have a whole game devoted just to them.

So many interesting things could be done - mercs, gene cults, new alien races, even imperium: mechanicus getting even more stuff, ordo "____"..

Chikout wrote:
Hastings just popped up in the war of sigmar comments section to say that we will be seeing Magnus Angorn, Mortarion, Russ and Guilliman in 40k.

So I notice that Fulgrim is missing from that list. Which makes sense given the rumors...

If Guilliman is coming to 40k, I am willing to bet that GW has some shoddy writer (cough cough Ward cough cough) say that his primarch physique overcomes the poison in his system and could have this whole time.

Or (arguably) worse: Guilliman is a perpetual.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
I'm not that keen on the idea, that primarchs are going to appear in 40k.

Mystery lost. even more attention to marines, even through we have a whole game devoted just to them.

So many interesting things could be done - mercs, gene cults, new alien races, even imperium: mechanicus getting even more stuff, ordo "____"..

I dunno about the game state, but I'd loooooove to have actual official models.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Hastings just popped up in the war of sigmar comments section to say that we will be seeing Magnus Angorn, Mortarion, Russ and Guilliman in 40k.

So I notice that Fulgrim is missing from that list. Which makes sense given the rumors...

You mean the idiotic rantings of pedantic fear mongers?

Yeah. Good luck with that.

You know what does make sense?

Fulgrim staying in his pleasure palace because why bother invading the realspace when he can just snort 666 flavors of coke?
Hastings said we will see X, Y and Z. That doesn't mean anything other than what it means.

 King Pariah wrote:
If Guilliman is coming to 40k, I am willing to bet that GW has some shoddy writer (cough cough Ward cough cough) say that his primarch physique overcomes the poison in his system and could have this whole time.

Or (arguably) worse: Guilliman is a perpetual.

It's generally pretty accepted that Guilliman has been slowly healing inside his stasis field for the last 10,000 years. He WILL be back for the End Times, the same as Vulkan, Corax, The Khan, Russ, The Lion, and Dorn.