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I know it will be drown in the middle of all of the Chaos talk but:

- Chapter Ancients: 3 Furioso Dreadnoughts

- Death Company Strike Force: 1 BA Chaplain with Jump Pack, 3 Death Company Squads, 1 Death Company Dreadnought (AKA a Furioso)

- Archangels Orbital Intervention Force: 2 BA Terminator Assault Squads, 1 Terminator Squad

Everything else is just a repack with a BA upgrade sprue. Only slightly different thing that I know of is that the Company Command includes both a Command Squad and a Commander (and the BA sprue of course).

 Rydria wrote:
It be nice if we got catapractii, it would give Tzeentch a viable army since Tzeentch catapractii would be awesome and you could do a full cataphractii terminator army with the formation.

Would be nice. Not a huge fan of the aesthetic but it would be great to see more termies on the board.

Interesting 3 source idea for a terminator deathstar I just thought of:

Take even just regular tzeentch terminators. Nice big squad. 4++ invuln.

Take a KDK character (I think you could even mix marks but let's say you can't so it's a tzeentch guy). Insert character into squad. Squad has a model with the daemon rule but not instability, so this is ok yes?

Take a Daemons detachment/formation and give someone the grim. Grim the kdk character's squad. It applies to the whole squad as long as one model in the squad has the daemon rule.

2++ terminators.....if only they weren't so slow, but hey they are not going to die.

Probably way too many tax units to make this viable for most armies.....but if you really want to do a Chaos version of superfriends....

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Wouldn't Chaos only have access to Cataphractii technically?

Or will that derail things further...

All three common forms of Terminator armor existed during the heresy and Chaos fled into the Eye of Terror with fleets of factory ships and half the Mechanicum... while the Eye of Terror has expanded to encompass near by Forgeworlds in the past, and renegade chapters would bring whatever armor they had... so chaos marines would still have access to all of them.

Roknar wrote:
A single Termicide unit has a whopping 3, maybe 4 bolters. Those aren't going to do anything at all. Especially if taking out a tank because then you're literally only firing 4/8 NON-twinlinked bolter shots.

Think idea is to deep strike and then pour either those combi-melta's or combi-plasma(to rear armour) rather than bolters for anti-tank duty

Pop next to wave serpent, bust the serpent with combi weapons, pepper surviving fire dragons with bolters.

Still not super hot but at least you are aiming right tool for the job at hand.

Serpents are still AV10 in the rear I think. So 8 Combi-Plasma will likely do the job even with jink.

Outside of that it'll wreck Scatter bikes and then you run away.

Yea but that's not really any different to a normal termicide deep strike. At least not enough to make me go out of my way to buy 3 units plus a lord.

You only need two boxes, as the base unit is 3 terminators. And you have a Terminator body to convert into a lord or sorcerer with the extra bits the Terminator lord comes with.

 Wulfson_40K wrote:
I know it will be drown in the middle of all of the Chaos talk but:

- Chapter Ancients: 3 Furioso Dreadnoughts

- Death Company Strike Force: 1 BA Chaplain with Jump Pack, 3 Death Company Squads, 1 Death Company Dreadnought (AKA a Furioso)

- Archangels Orbital Intervention Force: 2 BA Terminator Assault Squads, 1 Terminator Squad

Everything else is just a repack with a BA upgrade sprue. Only slightly different thing that I know of is that the Company Command includes both a Command Squad and a Commander (and the BA sprue of course).

All of that makes good sense. Too bad that the Orbital force contains the plain Terminator squad. I hate decals and would love molded shoulder pauldrons for the plain Terminators. I am probably going to get two of the Assault Marine repacks. I really hope that Angel's Blade allows Assault Marine spam. The new kit is pretty nice, I just have had zero reason to get it until now.

I may be getting some Baal Predators if they fix them too.

 luke1705 wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
It be nice if we got catapractii, it would give Tzeentch a viable army since Tzeentch catapractii would be awesome and you could do a full cataphractii terminator army with the formation.

Would be nice. Not a huge fan of the aesthetic but it would be great to see more termies on the board.

Interesting 3 source idea for a terminator deathstar I just thought of:

Take even just regular tzeentch terminators. Nice big squad. 4++ invuln.

Take a KDK character (I think you could even mix marks but let's say you can't so it's a tzeentch guy). Insert character into squad. Squad has a model with the daemon rule but not instability, so this is ok yes?

Take a Daemons detachment/formation and give someone the grim. Grim the kdk character's squad. It applies to the whole squad as long as one model in the squad has the daemon rule.

2++ terminators.....if only they weren't so slow, but hey they are not going to die.

Probably way too many tax units to make this viable for most armies.....but if you really want to do a Chaos version of superfriends....

Not remotely how it works. The unit that you're hitting with the grimoire has to have the daemon rule. Since the terminators aren't daemons they can't be hit with a grimoire.

If you really want to do this, you just take obliterators or warp talons. Give them mark of Tzeentch for the +1 invulnerable. Then hit them with the grimoire for the 2+. Then fish for the veil of time equivalent (if there is such a power in the new chaos psychic powers) for the re-roll for saves.

bogalubov wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:

 Rydria wrote:
It be nice if we got catapractii, it would give Tzeentch a viable army since Tzeentch catapractii would be awesome and you could do a full cataphractii terminator army with the formation.

Would be nice. Not a huge fan of the aesthetic but it would be great to see more termies on the board.

Interesting 3 source idea for a terminator deathstar I just thought of:

Take even just regular tzeentch terminators. Nice big squad. 4++ invuln.

Take a KDK character (I think you could even mix marks but let's say you can't so it's a tzeentch guy). Insert character into squad. Squad has a model with the daemon rule but not instability, so this is ok yes?

Take a Daemons detachment/formation and give someone the grim. Grim the kdk character's squad. It applies to the whole squad as long as one model in the squad has the daemon rule.

2++ terminators.....if only they weren't so slow, but hey they are not going to die.

Probably way too many tax units to make this viable for most armies.....but if you really want to do a Chaos version of superfriends....

Not remotely how it works. The unit that you're hitting with the grimoire has to have the daemon rule. Since the terminators aren't daemons they can't be hit with a grimoire.

If you really want to do this, you just take obliterators or warp talons. Give them mark of Tzeentch for the +1 invulnerable. Then hit them with the grimoire for the 2+. Then fish for the veil of time equivalent (if there is such a power in the new chaos psychic powers) for the re-roll for saves.

Expensive but you can do it without the grimoire.
Say 5++ warp talons
4++ mark of tzeentch
3++ cursed earth
2++ sanctuary, but it makes them take dangerous terrain

Then veil (if its there) / endurance

Mark of Tzeentch caps its bonus at 3+ by the way, so this will never work with that mark and you might as well just take nurgle. Tzeentch may be a crafty god, but with his marines he plays pretty fair.

Or...
Lvl 3 Sorceror with Prophet of the Voices in a unit of 10 MoT Possessed with daemons to get Grimoire to (Potentially get)...
5++ (Daemon)
4++ (MoT)
3++ (Sanctuary/Cursed Earth)
2++ Grimoire

OR
Roll 3++ Invun on Mutations Table
2++ (Grimoire)

Or field the Formation that gets all the results on the Mutations Table for FREE 3++ invun then use Cursed Earth/Sancuary for 2++
This is CRIMSON SLAUGHTER

(Hold On, Heralds can take 30 points of wargear, cant i just take an Exalted reward, make it a 0 for a relic to get Grimoire?)

OR
Formation (Lvl 3 MoS Daemon Prince, Rolling on Daemonology (Malefic) and MoS Possessed with Icons of Excess)
So...
3++ (Mutations)
2++ (Cursed Earth)
Alternate 2++ (Grimoire of true names given Via Herald)

[Nm

 TalonZahn wrote:
Sounds about right. Change the name, raise the price.

Although I'll believe this more when someone more reliable speaks on that list.

It's a pack of three with a significant discount...

 adamsouza wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Once you compare these to what SM get you realize these aren't really "good" - they're just "good... for Chaos".

The secret is to stop comparing it to what Adeptus Astartes gets, and you'll be a lot happier about it.

Did this supplement take Heretic Astartes to Tier 1 ? No.
Did this supplement take Heretic Astartes out of the bottom Tier ? Yes.

Please help me understand how any of the formations are better than double nurgle spawn star with Cabal using a CAD?

That is the only thing that has a chance at durability in the tournament meta. Large point games the supplement seems a lot of fun.

It's funny that anyone thinks that triple Lord of Skulls is a "real" formation. Rules aside, the points alone makes it a no-go.

 Kirasu wrote:
It's funny that anyone thinks that triple Lord of Skulls is a "real" formation. Rules aside, the points alone makes it a no-go.

The formation is good if you use Kytan Daemon engines instead who are only 525 points, it actually fixes one of there main weaknesses since it is impossible to tarpit them when at start of the movement phase everything gets a auto str6 ap4 hit.

can we safely assume, pre orders of next week will center on gore chosen, same way lost patrol did back then; making the 24th the last week for sept, which may be a minor aos release plus the announcement of the new exclusive terminators?

 Rydria wrote:

 Kirasu wrote:
It's funny that anyone thinks that triple Lord of Skulls is a "real" formation. Rules aside, the points alone makes it a no-go.

The formation is good if you use Kytan Daemon engines instead who are only 525 points, it actually fixes one of there main weaknesses since it is impossible to tarpit them when at start of the movement phase everything gets a auto str6 ap4 hit.

If that actually works(I assume it does, I am not totally familiar with the Kytan's rules), that is pretty awesome. At 1575 pts, it is still a big investment though.

 455_PWR wrote:
Tyranid got a crap ton of monstrous beasties... tyranid armies are not fun to play against with nidzilla armies. Eldar got d spam, tau got a gazillion new toys, I think it's time the imperium and chaos gets more love (chaos needs it... they've been, well, lacking for some time now.

I get the sense that I am in the minority here, but I agree with this. I play BA and have been losing for years. I definitely welcome some updates and am excited about the Primarchs returning. Given the Forge World models I am not surprised at all to see this happen. It also just gives more options to players for either larger games or being able to play games with fewer models, the way Sigmar has taken the Fantasy game. So I say bring on the superheroes!

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Since we're only part way into the Black Crusade, it's pretty premature to rule TS and EC out just yet.

Why? GW have for the past 10 years.

...

Fantasy Battles 5th Ed have returned!

So 2/2 powers we have seen so far are straight up reprints of the Angels of Death powers. Great job, GW.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So 2/2 powers we have seen so far are straight up reprints of the Angels of Death powers. Great job, GW.

Damn, I thought for sure there was no way they would straight up copy and paste. Well, maybe there are SOME unique powers in the deck.

That feels like a no-win situation. If they copy and paste people complain that they copy and pasted. If they don't copy and paste, people complain that the powers aren't as good as the SM powers and say they should have just copy and pasted.

I suppose it depends what someone wanted in the first place. I wanted totally unique powers. Given there are what, 30 or so new powers, some overlap isn't a big deal. But if EVERY power is literally just new text, that's not at all what I wanted.

Doesn't matter what I want, in the end, but what we get and how we use it.

 aracersss wrote:
can we safely assume, pre orders of next week will center on gore chosen, same way lost patrol did back then; making the 24th the last week for sept, which may be a minor aos release plus the announcement of the new exclusive terminators?

What terminators? I miss something?

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Fantasy Battles 5th Ed have returned!

Can you confirm that every psychic power is identical in this deck to loyalist ones?
Is there mention about blessings that gives AP3 and gets ot to unit?

 troa wrote:
That feels like a no-win situation. If they copy and paste people complain that they copy and pasted. If they don't copy and paste, people complain that the powers aren't as good as the SM powers and say they should have just copy and pasted.

If only there were some... third way...