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what prevents it from working

you play as a imperial guard, super skilled...that goes around rallying the other races to join him/her

It could work potentially (as long as they dont just copy/paste the ending from Deus Ex the way ME3 did ) but would probably work best from an inquisitorial standpoint.

But...even then, in 40k, the enemy of your enemy is still your enemy, there's pretty much just the Tau, Craftworld Eldar, Bloodaxe Orks, and some various minor xenos races that you could ally with, nobody else makes sense.

Though...going through as an agent of Chaos could offer much more variety and be very interesting...

For a start none of the races are going to work together in the way Mass effect did. Most wouldn't even give the idea serious thought really.

Who said it cant.

Though i can see that at best you will be working with pretty much only blood axes (the one that is into mercenary work (cant remember)) or maybe some bored eldar.

plenty of ad humans too and a jokareo friend.

even at some point some daemons though thats playing with fire.

and most likely it will be some heretical inqusitor or a rogue trader.

edit: oh right Tau....

pm713 wrote:
For a start none of the races are going to work together in the way Mass effect did. Most wouldn't even give the idea serious thought really.

I mean...do you really think Warhammer 40k fans would be upset if an Imperial guardsman was allying with a Tau or Necron

i mean for the sake of game, some conventions are going to have to be made

LightKing wrote:

pm713 wrote:
For a start none of the races are going to work together in the way Mass effect did. Most wouldn't even give the idea serious thought really.

I mean...do you really think Warhammer 40k fans would be upset if an Imperial guardsman was allying with a Tau or Necron

i mean for the sake of game, some conventions are going to have to be made

Are you forgetting the storm that was "Blood Angels and Necrons BFFS 4ever"

My problem is I don't really see a lot of flexibility in the 40k universe, I'm not sure about some of the more recent works but 40k never really benefited itself from the concept of a gray morality. Space Marines have mission "x" and they kill people who have mission "y" and Eldar have mission "y" and kill people who have "mission x", ect. The ME morality system would involve you making one renegade action, being branded as a heretic, then killed, game over.

I often think this and I often hear the same remark that it would be good if you played as an Inquisitor. I like that idea, but I feel that a Rogue Trader would make far more sense. If Commander Shepard had been merely an Alliance Officer, then ME would not have been possible. It was the fact that his Spectre status allowed him to circumvent standard military procedure that enabled the series to explore options, worlds and scenarios that a traditional member of the military would have been excluded from. As an Inquisitor, the character would merely be a member of another Imperial Organisation - bound by it's rules, policies and overall diplomacy. However, as a Rogue Trader, a privateer of sorts, the character has much greater freedom. Rogue Traders have no set parameters. In their simplest form, they are given a Warrant of Trade, which grants them authority on par with that of a Chapter Master and allows them to travel all around the Imperium and beyond. The warrant also permits them certain freedoms unallowed within the Imperium. Essentially, as long as it's within the Imperium's interest, the Rogue Trader can get away with almost anything - even engaging with Xenos, to the point where some Rogue Traders even include them in their entourage. Rogue traders may also call upon the services of various Imperial Organisations, including Space Marines.

Really a Mass effect game, complete with Xenos interaction and crew members would be totally plausible within a 40k Universe. Of course, with the scale of the 40k Galaxy, and the vast amount of unexplored space, it would be perfectly reasonable to insert whole lost civilisations or new Xenos species to suit the game - especially considering most Rogue Traders operate outside the bounds of Imperial Space anyway.

Rogue Trader

LightKing wrote:

I mean for the sake of game, some conventions are going to have to be made

Why? An Eldar love interest would be utterly gak.

A Dishonoured style Assassin game or a Jagged Alliancesque game set in Necromunda would be far preferable and actually show off the setting without resorting to cheap tricks.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

LightKing wrote:

I mean for the sake of game, some conventions are going to have to be made

Why? An Eldar love interest would be utterly gak.

Hey, in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium love can certainly bloom.

I think the reason it couldn't work is that Mass Effect is in many ways a power fantasy. Commander Shepard, through courage or treachery, shapes the future of the galaxy for better or worse. A lone human just... really can't do that in 40k. Could you imagine a single Rogue Trader doing the things Commander Shepard did? Like, imagine a single Rogue Trader getting all the major Ork clans to fight alongside the Tau and Necrons against the Tyranids. 40k fans would hate it.

Now, a story driven RPG set in the 40k universe could certainly work. It just can't be a power fantasy like Mass Effect is.

LightKing wrote:
what prevents it from working

you play as a imperial guard, super skilled...that goes around rallying the other races to join him/her

Well for starters, an imperial guardsmen would lack the authority to go around telling Governors what to do.
A Rogue Traitor, probably. Certainly an Inquisitor. But not a guardsman. I don't even think Generals could do that.


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 TheCustomLime wrote:

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

LightKing wrote:

I mean for the sake of game, some conventions are going to have to be made

Why? An Eldar love interest would be utterly gak.

Hey, in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium love can certainly bloom.

HERESY *BLAM*

There are plenty of human factions in the 40k universe that you wouldn't need xenos allies. Astartes, Mechanicus, Sisters Sororitas, the list goes on. A great story could be told of an inquisitor trying to make these divisive groups work together to defeat the reapers- uh, I mean Necrons.

LightKing wrote:

pm713 wrote:
For a start none of the races are going to work together in the way Mass effect did. Most wouldn't even give the idea serious thought really.

I mean...do you really think Warhammer 40k fans would be upset if an Imperial guardsman was allying with a Tau or Necron

i mean for the sake of game, some conventions are going to have to be made

There's a word for Guardsmen who associate with aliens - traitor.
In Mass Effect all of the races were on good or tolerable terms. In Warhammer 40k everyone hates each other. Even the Tau consider anyone who doesn't follow the Greater Good a threat.


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 Mr Nobody wrote:
There are plenty of human factions in the 40k universe that you wouldn't need xenos allies. Astartes, Mechanicus, Sisters Sororitas, the list goes on. A great story could be told of an inquisitor trying to make these divisive groups work together.

Yeah, that would work better.


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 Vaktathi wrote:

Though...going through as an agent of Chaos could offer much more variety and be very interesting...

That would be hilarious. I for one would happily do a side quest where you make some poor lackey into an Enslaver portal
There would be a morality system, and the only option is renegade.

If anything, I would like a 40k game to be made by TellTale games. The Inquisitor working with the various factions of the Imperium idea would really work with their style of games.

...Why couldn't it just be you as a Rogue Trader which would allow you to use Xenos things (at the cost of potentially alienating die-hard Imperium factions) ? Or part of the Tau Worlds with all the various factions that actually make up it? I'd love to see some of the rarer ones like the full on psyker race.

Chaos would also work, but that would certainly be far darker and require more setup.

It could only ever work if you were an Inquisitor. Whether you stay puritan or go radical would be the main focus or choice you have.

My dream 40k game would be a Mount and Blade style game where you play as a Rogue Trader in a fringe sector. Looting dead worlds, exploring mysteries, slaughtering xenos (and secretly selling their stuff) with maybe even a little colonising all in the name of making as many Thrones as possible.

Honestly its the kind of game I imagine CD Projekt Red would produce to stellar reviews. I don't know if Warhammer is even on their radar though.

As an Inquisitor or Rogue Trader it might work. But as Imperial Guard... noooot really.

Of course, all these are overt people. What if you were a Perpetual, one of the Sensei or even an assassin - the sort of people who skirt the edges of accepted Imperial doctrine and have the capability to do dubious (by Imperial thinking) things, but (possibly) for the overall good of mankind.

A good ME-style game would be trivially easy with an Inquisitor as your main character. Plenty of =I= Lords go rogue and there is infighting between rival factions, etc. There is no reason why an =I= Lord would not ally with an Ork Merc or an Eldar Pirate, at least temporarily.

The problem I see would be trying to balance between the grimdark of the setting and keeping it light enough to sell to kids.

It's too expensive for most game developers to make (and too hard) and doesn't bring in the cash a quick cash grab micro transactionfest does. Or if your on PC they can knock out a unity system asset flip in a few hours if your good and make some money that way by selling dozens of crap games. Literally just premade asset flipped "games" that are one endless plain with maybe a single generic zombie you've fought in their last 8 "games".

What are you crazy? People don't make games anymore and they don't like original ideas or settings. Just the same damn thing but less. I mean that is why each new version of a game has less to it and more micro transactions right? The funny thing is their transactions have gotten so insane they have coined a new buzzword "macrotransactions" for the real whales out there who buy like 50 crates at a time. Got to love them dehumanizing you to floating money sacks.

That is why they don't bother making games these days. The Witcher 3 is probably the last great game we will see for a long time that truly tried to push the boundaries of gaming.

Despite the fact that this is horrific the gaming fanbase should be almost as guilty for letting it happen. I am of the opinion the video game crash can't happen fast enough or horribly enough. It needs to restart.

Just microtransaction some finely rendered Imperial weapons for your Inqusitor.

Didn't Destiny turn a massive profit micro selling different outfits and skins to players that had little in game effect? Similar things could come in here. Hundreds of different chapter armour skins, for example.

The "Mass Effect" experience would work best with either a Rogue Trader or Inquisitor, not a lowly guardsman.

Those gakkers who do those Spunkgargleweewee games, they might be a better choice for a game revolving around a lowly guardsman, just replace all the "Oscar Mike", "Ramirez, kill those Russians!" with "For the Emperor" and "Ramirez, kill those heretics!". Though each map you'd play a different guy or gal, as in GW's fluff a trooper never survives for more than five minutes, give or take, depending on the writer.

The Inquisition angle might work best actually, as they are a step above Rogue Traders and can get a lot of gak done within the Imperium. Tack on a Rogue Trader character as one of the supporting characters and presto, you've got means to go about the Imperium and you've got a front to use when dealing with less savoury types. Insert an insidious plot revolving around a rogue Inquisitor building a supposed doomsday device in some forbidden zone and we've got us a standard 40k plot for the player to muck through.

I'd love to see an option to recruit certain less than worthy races into your party, but also an option to simply shoot them in the face with a hand cannon, because feth aliens, mankind number one.

 feeder wrote:
A good ME-style game would be trivially easy with an Inquisitor as your main character. Plenty of =I= Lords go rogue and there is infighting between rival factions, etc. There is no reason why an =I= Lord would not ally with an Ork Merc or an Eldar Pirate, at least temporarily.

The problem I see would be trying to balance between the grimdark of the setting and keeping it light enough to sell to kids.

Why sell it to kids? The ME series so far has been rated "Mature". It's neither designed nor intended for younger audiences.

Chaos corruption might be an interesting stand-in for renegade. Perhaps even go the DOW: CR route and have the corrupted route make the game a bit easier at a cost. (ex. let the xenos join you is considered as an unholy action, but you get a better teammate)

As for uniting races, it likely will not work. With hundreds of planets though, it could simply be uniting the populace to halt, say, an impending Tyranid attack.

You could even replicate the synthetic/biotic skill tree powers. Bitotics could easily be replaced by psycher powers and sythetic powers would be bionic implants.

 Psienesis wrote:

 feeder wrote:
A good ME-style game would be trivially easy with an Inquisitor as your main character. Plenty of =I= Lords go rogue and there is infighting between rival factions, etc. There is no reason why an =I= Lord would not ally with an Ork Merc or an Eldar Pirate, at least temporarily.

The problem I see would be trying to balance between the grimdark of the setting and keeping it light enough to sell to kids.

Why sell it to kids? The ME series so far has been rated "Mature". It's neither designed nor intended for younger audiences.

That, and the last thing 40k needs is to be (more) kid friendly.
Also, I'm pretty sure there are video games for young adults and up, and not just children.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 feeder wrote:
A good ME-style game would be trivially easy with an Inquisitor as your main character. Plenty of =I= Lords go rogue and there is infighting between rival factions, etc. There is no reason why an =I= Lord would not ally with an Ork Merc or an Eldar Pirate, at least temporarily.

The problem I see would be trying to balance between the grimdark of the setting and keeping it light enough to sell to kids.

Why sell it to kids? The ME series so far has been rated "Mature". It's neither designed nor intended for younger audiences.

That, and the last thing 40k needs is to be (more) kid friendly.
Also, I'm pretty sure there are video games for young adults and up, and not just children.

GW wants access to little Timmy's (dad's) wallet. I doubt they would sign off on an M rated game.

 feeder wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 feeder wrote:
A good ME-style game would be trivially easy with an Inquisitor as your main character. Plenty of =I= Lords go rogue and there is infighting between rival factions, etc. There is no reason why an =I= Lord would not ally with an Ork Merc or an Eldar Pirate, at least temporarily.

The problem I see would be trying to balance between the grimdark of the setting and keeping it light enough to sell to kids.

Why sell it to kids? The ME series so far has been rated "Mature". It's neither designed nor intended for younger audiences.

That, and the last thing 40k needs is to be (more) kid friendly.
Also, I'm pretty sure there are video games for young adults and up, and not just children.

GW wants access to little Timmy's (dad's) wallet. I doubt they would sign off on an M rated game.

For sure.

Oh wait. The other thing. Not at all even close to right. The overwhelming majority of Warhammer game titles are rated M: http://www.esrb.org/ratings/search.aspx?titleOrPublisher=ER