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 Selym wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Yes it's not impossible. But is it desirable? You want Tau to get less releases in return of new faction?

Replace Tau with BA, IG, DE, Nids and CSM.

Amen. I would love that.

 Gamgee wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Gamgee wrote:As I have never played anything but 7th that analogy is lost on me.

Gamgee wrote:
My poor poor old crons. :(

If you've never played before 7th how are they "you poor old crons"?

When I was about to start the game I was looking into the Necrons instead of Tau and then the big shift happened only shortly before I started getting into the hobby. I was a fan of their lore and read a lot of the cool stories around the net about them. Then newcrons happened. I was a fan of Necrons as presented in DoW Dark Crusade (old crons).

The big shift happened in 5th Ed, but ok. Im just saying it seems odd to call something you never had yours.

I mean, of course the book about alien killers would mention the aliens they like to kill. The galaxy is a large place and they can't possibly make codexes/models for every race.

And as for it saying a xenos threat is coming.....uh....of course? I mean, what is the codex going to say "the deathwatch have been doing a good job and xenos reports are down this quarter by 45%". I mean all of 40k takes places in an 11th hour type scenario where war is always happening. They want Deathwatch to stay relevant. Not trying to sound condescending, but it doesn't seem like hinting at anything.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

Gamgee wrote:As I have never played anything but 7th that analogy is lost on me.

Gamgee wrote:
My poor poor old crons. :(

If you've never played before 7th how are they "you poor old crons"?

When I was about to start the game I was looking into the Necrons instead of Tau and then the big shift happened only shortly before I started getting into the hobby. I was a fan of their lore and read a lot of the cool stories around the net about them. Then newcrons happened. I was a fan of Necrons as presented in DoW Dark Crusade (old crons).

The big shift happened in 5th Ed, but ok. Im just saying it seems odd to call something you never had yours.

That is the most bizarre question I've ever been asked.

fresus wrote:
Before the DW release, we had a long time without any 40K release (we had many Start Collecting and stuff). Is it because they were actively working on DW? Or do they work on a model for many many month before they release it (I mean the sculpt and the mold production, not just the idea in the studio)?
I heard rumors that DW was released because of Overkill's huge success. If that's true, and they did decide to produce all these new DW models only after Overkill's success, then it means they can do the complete production cycle in just a few month. If it's that fast, and the fluff really hints at a new release, then this release would be in just a few month.

It's easily year or two minimum from "go" to product being shelves(nevermind really odd ones like eldar jetbikes that took like DECADE to be released from when they were designed...Albeit that was unusual so not that common occurance). So no the overkill did not settle the deathwatch codex.

Obviously going to vary between how important and big release it is but for comparison AOS design process started in 2012...And when sprues had year they were designed rather than year they were released you had easily 1-2 year earlier.

Fluff aside, what would set a new faction apart from all of the current armies to make them a viable choice?

What table-top play-mechanic and play-style is not yet available in any faction?

If there's no answer to this, then it pretty much points to "no new factions".

Another vote for Rak'Gol.

They just bring so much flavour and they have great backstory and weapons (ty FFG).

the problem with the Rakghoul being introduced is the question of ".. who owns them?"

GW obviously. They wholesale took large parts of the DW RPG lore and made it into the dex. That settles that question. They did add a lot of their own stuff, but by and large the bulk of the groundwork was all FFG.

 Gamgee wrote:
GW obviously. They wholesale took large parts of the DW RPG lore and made it into the dex. That settles that question. They did add a lot of their own stuff, but by and large the bulk of the groundwork was all FFG.

true, and the BFG:A game uses a ship from rogue trader. (the chaos light cruiser) still I could iamgine their legal team would be warning against it.

then there's also the fact that trying to trademark "rak'ghoul" could cause a legal fight with EA and Disney. (Rakghouls are also a alien in Knights of the Old Republic/SWTOR)

Rakka GulGhouls then. Not all all similar. More commonly known as Rak Ghouls.

well if they have to rename em Rakenguuls might work.

How about the Rankenguul Counts. Hahah.

Considering the species is Rak'Gol not Rak Ghouls... I'd seriously doubt they'd need a name change.

Different pronunciation, different spelling, different look, etc, etc.

One are corsair lizards with a bionic fetish (40k) and the other is a near-mindless mutated bundle of flesh (Star Wars).

The Rak Ghouls are also a force plague and its notoriously hard to cure. As soon as a cure is made it seems to adapt on its own accord and a new version of the cure is needed. Pretty big difference.

Just sharing random facts if people don't know their Star Wars lore.

It could be, but the studio nowadays seem to not be nearly as willing to take a risk like the one that brought us Tau and Necrons as a full codex.

Honestly the Ghoul Stars was always an interesting thing from what I've read about. There's not much out there but it's always spoken in hushed tones, so the vibe I got was from the bit of information, around the Cythor Fiends, Togoran Bloodreeks and Pale Wasting is something that's a mix of Chaos and Tyranid, basically Cthulhu-esque "stuff of nightmares" but the problem is that's pretty much the domain of Chaos already. It would be a little interesting, maybe, to have something like the Crimson Slaughter (because they have a lot of possession/haunting stuff) going off to the Ghoul Stars and coming back with Chaos allies in the form of these weird monsters that already look a bit Chaos-ish, so hey join the fun why not.

The problem is they never really have said what's there, the Barghesi aren't in the Ghoul Stars, and they just have a name to my knowledge there's no description (although Barghesi sounds a lot like "Barghest" so I'm guessing they would be some kind of hound-like monsters with lots of teeth, imagine the RT-era bloodthirster type of look with a snarling dog face). As to what is actually in the ghoul stars, there's nothing said.

The only mention is something called the Cythor Fiends that "had spindly limbs and vile faces, elongated and inhuman. They lived in the fortresses with the sheer walls of glimmering crystal and used some uncanny weapons." but mysteriously vanished without a trace on their homeworld after being beaten around by the Templars. The bit about the Pale Wasting does mention "a "star-spawned" plague that swept across world with "nightmare-engines" but again, that sounds Cthulhu-esque.

While I'd love another xenos faction, I don't think they'd have nearly enough design stuff to make them unique. I could possibly see a small, limited Codex type of thing that's meant to be allies to something else (but who knows what, since these things seem to be friends with nobody and far enough away that they can't influence anything). Of course, the same was said of Necrons in 2nd/early 3rd and look at them now.

We are getting a Chaos Codex expansion, Traitor's Hate. Also getting Heretic Astartes as the new name for all CSM.

Sauce?

 Selym wrote:
Sauce?

On second thought, honey mustard.

BossJakadakk wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Sauce?

On second thought, honey mustard.

A man of fine taste.


Selym, they are talking about all this chaos stuff in a N&R thread.

Personally, I would say the only thing that makes sence is a Genestealer Cult codex, to be used as allies for Tyranids. It would be like one of the other mini Codexes like Harlequins, Adeptus Mechanicus, ect, ect.

A Cthulhu-esque faction would be right in line with GWs modus operandi- steal ideas &/or take inspiration from the competition & cash in on the *in* thing. With miniatures boardgames like Cthulhu Wars & The Others: 7 Sins & the ol' standbys of boardgames like Arkham Horror, meaning Cthulhu is the rising tide of *What's Cool Now*.

Currently there's no real, direct entirely Cthulhu-esque representation in wargames. & there's a ton of *inspirational* public domain source material to steal from.

Or it could be a 40k version of the old WHFB Dogs Of War/Regiments Of Renown. GW could dip their toes into many of the fluffy but not fleshed out alien threats. Just one unit type of this, one of that. & if there's overwhelming demand for expounding on a popular unit, that works. An easy way of testing the market for a number of alien *threats*.

Maybe they're making a 40k Dungeon Crawler outta it. [Space Hulk doesn't rings count, really.] Trying to steal some sources of income from Shadows Of Brimstone & the like. A huge hive city type setting that's infested with all manner of threats could make for a great 40k dungeon crawler & also bring to life some of these fluffy but as yet untapped aliens. Plus, selling each *unit* of alien threat individually, after the big box game gets released, like they're doing with the contents of every other big box game, would fit right in to GW business model. Trying to *poach* some Star Wars: Imperial Assault sci-fi dungeon crawler monies wouldn't be a bad idea for GW!

Just my thoughts, off the top of my head. Not claiming any real insight or knowledge of the situation. Nor saying *Count on it, gonna happenď*. [So coming back at this with *efficacy* &/or logistics type nonsense will be nonsensical. ;-)]


Blaster was here...

Chaos IS supposedly "chtullu-esque".^^
I mean: old gods unintelligible by the Mortals,manipulating the men, releasing horrors and monsters upon their realms...

GW could rehearse Chaos this way. I'm very upset by what GW did with Chaos. They are supposed to be THE bad guy, they could do better.

Yeah, Chaos, warp & daemons is Cthulhu-esque in nature. & while Tzeentch is close to Cthulhu-esque, there's no obviously & entirely a sci-fi *Cthulhu* faction in 40k. [Edit->] I mean, not just humans/transhumans *touched* by Cthulhu-ness. & not just average daemons/demons/devils. I'm talking full on GW take on Elder Things, Void Hounds, Star Spawn, Shoggoths, etc. The Grimdark treatment of the Lovecraft Mythos.

With the Specialist Games coming back, GW is decidedly trying ti get back the market share they lost to skirmish & miniatures wargames they lost to Privateer Press, Mantic & FFG. There's no real previous SG that isn't a *challenge* to SW:IA. A fuller Deathwatch type 40k dungeon crawler would be that chllenger.

& yeah, the homogenization & such of the Chaos Gods is pretty disappointing. & Slaanesh... I mean, their Khorne & Nurgle fluff is very graphic. Khornes cruelty, cannibalism, wanton violence & Nurgles just plain ol' *grossness-osity* is pretty bad in a lot of ways. But when it comes to Slaaneshi *nekkidness*... *Nope. NO.Can't have that!*. Ridiculous.


Blaster was here...

 Gamgee wrote:
Anti-Warp cthulhu horror. Not simply being low warp sensitivity but warp eaters.

A mix of strange geometric lines and tentacle horror (no not the other kind. Go online for that). They need to look both horrifying and extremely ordered since they don't have any concept of chaos.

So nids?

Cthulhu has only recently gone pubic domain, so that's part of why its not been present previously.

However, I think there's a lot of work that need to be done on current factions before they drop a(nother) new one on us, and to be honest, there's already too many factions in the game as is.

 Stormonu wrote:
Cthulhu has only recently gone pubic domain, so that's part of why its not been present previously.

However, I think there's a lot of work that need to be done on current factions before they drop a(nother) new one on us, and to be honest, there's already too many factions in the game as is.

Lack of public dominionship has never stopped GW before. See: Everything.

one can't copyright taking the basic idea of something and adapting it.

Well, 40K's Chaos was based more so off Moorcock's vision of Chaos anyway. They even once had a Stormbringer game once (I have a copy I found for cheap yeeeears ago).

Overall, a lot of 40K was built on a melding of Geiger, Moorcock, Lovecraft and Herbert - so yeah, steal from the best when they can.

No idea is ever 100% truly fresh. Everything is inspired by something else.