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A re-cut set of sprues from Overkill would fit the bill though.

As far as a new infantry box goes, I bet you it'll be multipart cultists with stuff like heavy stubbers and the like. Brood Brothers would be ace, bonus points if they include female figures!

Why would you re-cut the DOK sprue and release multi-part kits?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why would you re-cut the DOK sprue and release multi-part kits?

Why would you release Kill Team Cassius and a multi-part Veteran kit?


They could release the Patriarch, Magus, and the Primus as one boxed set and then the other components as another in addition to the rest--or just release the DWOK stuff in a single box named the same as the overall formation(like Kill Team Cassius was), with the rules for that formation included.

To maximise sales and increase profits.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why would you release Kill Team Cassius and a multi-part Veteran kit?

Was Kill-Team Cassius re-cut? No. Of course it wasn't.

Context Kan. CONTEXT. Use your brain.

Gen.Steiner wrote:To maximise sales and increase profits.

Best way to do that is to not re-cut a sprue to make a new sprue, as that's really expensive.

Fair point, I guess!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why would you release Kill Team Cassius and a multi-part Veteran kit?

Was Kill-Team Cassius re-cut? No. Of course it wasn't.

Seeing as I've built my stuff ages ago and don't have sprues handy nor can you get sprue breakdowns via the GW store, I don't have access to the exact breakdown of the frames.

Heavens fething forbid right?

The GW store does have the sprues for the Cassius Killteam. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/deathwatch-kill-team-cassius-2016

I guess these made sense to re-release as they're characterful models wholly different to the Errant armour kit.

I'm very excited to see what GS Cult codex holds... can't even be disappointed, as if it's poop I still have a small horde of Hybrids I never thought I'd own or see minis as good as!

Damn, that's worrying. I really hope that they gave us real kits, and not only repacked crap.

They'll have to if they intend it to be a legit faction and make add-on sales to DW:OK owners. Also because the numbers per sprue are weird, as I posted before. We'll get *something*.

And you can hardly call the things they might repack 'crap', now! They're beautiful miniatures.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Why would you release Kill Team Cassius and a multi-part Veteran kit?

Was Kill-Team Cassius re-cut? No. Of course it wasn't.

Seeing as I've built my stuff ages ago and don't have sprues handy nor can you get sprue breakdowns via the GW store, I don't have access to the exact breakdown of the frames.

Heavens fething forbid right?

They were not recut. Built a set from overkill and checked out mah buddies KT cassius kit.


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 streetsamurai wrote:
Damn, that's worrying. I really hope that they gave us real kits, and not only repacked crap.

Odds are we will get both, so I wouldn't worry too much.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
They'll have to if they intend it to be a legit faction and make add-on sales to DW:OK owners. Also because the numbers per sprue are weird, as I posted before. We'll get *something*.

And you can hardly call the things they might repack 'crap', now! They're beautiful miniatures.

Agreed, that the minis per se are far from crap, but they are crappy of your intention is to make a full blown (or even allied) army, since they are barely any customisation possible.

Until a reliable rumormonger chimes in, we really have no idea what form the miniatures will take. I believe Hastings' original comment referenced a "Harlequin-sized release." To me, that suggests something more substantial than the board game sprues. But who knows?

At the very least, I *would think* that if Aberrants are to be a unit in the codex, we'll get some kind of proper box for them instead of an odd mini or two on the board game hybrid sprues. But again...who knows.

Frankly this stuff probably affects me less than most of you. I'm sitting on over 100 painted metal Hybrids, a few dozen painted Purestrains, a few unpainted metals still kicking around, and the board game stuff. I'm really just in for the special edition codex, any new units (Aberrants?), and the L.I.M.O. if it happens (although I also already have converted Ork Trukks that I may be able to rep as the new vehicle too).

I'm not expecting Brood Brothers in the codex. Not in the era of Cherrypickhammer.

 gorgon wrote:
Until a reliable rumormonger chimes in, we really have no idea what form the miniatures will take. I believe Hastings' original comment referenced a "Harlequin-sized release." To me, that suggests something more substantial than the board game sprues. But who knows?

At the very least, I *would think* that if Aberrants are to be a unit in the codex, we'll get some kind of proper box for them instead of an odd mini or two on the board game hybrid sprues. But again...who knows.

Frankly this stuff probably affects me less than most of you. I'm sitting on over 100 painted metal Hybrids, a few dozen painted Purestrains, a few unpainted metals still kicking around, and the board game stuff. I'm really just in for the special edition codex, any new units (Aberrants?), and the L.I.M.O. if it happens (although I also already have converted Ork Trukks that I may be able to rep as the new vehicle too).

I'm not expecting Brood Brothers in the codex. Not in the era of Cherrypickhammer.

I would hope for something akin to the Spawn kit for Aberrants. A few basic torsos with a ton of options for mutations would be awesome!

 gorgon wrote:
At the very least, I *would think* that if Aberrants are to be a unit in the codex, we'll get some kind of proper box for them instead of an odd mini or two on the board game hybrid sprues. But again...who knows.

They could make them an unit upgrade for "normal" hybrids. I somehow doubt a box for them.

 gorgon wrote:
I'm sitting on over 100 painted metal Hybrids

Woah... only thirty or fourty here... and not all painted...

 gorgon wrote:
I'm not expecting Brood Brothers in the codex. Not in the era of Cherrypickhammer.

Sadly, this is what I'm expecting too. Though they could (if they were smart) release a cult sprue with parts for a hybrid leader and some gubbins and put it in several boxes (Cadians... maybe Fire Warriors and Orks too... but that's even more wish-listing). But I doubt it.

Personally, I don't really care for brood brothers since 4th generations hybrids already pretty much looked like human. Would be a bit of a wasted kit imo.

^I agree with streetsamurai on that one, can't see much place for Brood Brothers when we already have 3rd and 4th gen Cultists, there'd be little difference.

And I really hope they don't make Aberrants a unit upgrade for 1st and 2nd gen Hybrids the way Trueborn are for Kabalites, that would just piss all over the excellent models they made for them in Overkill.

You know that Brood Brothers and Hybrids existed at the same time before, yes? They had different roles.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You know that Brood Brothers and Hybrids existed at the same time before, yes? They had different roles.

Exactly. It'd be great to see Brood Brothers again!

It's probably safe to say he does. His point was Brood Brothers would be less exciting as a purchase and on the field of battle as they're essentially 'Guardsmen with some purple on'. Fluff-wise there's a gulf. Statline-wise there's little difference. Options-wise, there's of course a world of difference!

Brood Brothers sets would be a corking way for GeeDubs to shift some AM models, by bundling Cadians with a sprue a la Deathwatch. But they likely wont. It's gonna be Skitarii-esque I'd have thought, only without the Adeptus Mechanicus half, and with a Codex that won't 'legally' let you ally with Astra Militarum to represent what they won't sell you models for.

If they somehow bring out a cultist-style rabble box to represent Brood Brothers I'll be all over it for Necromunda use!!!

Oh look I perfectly understand GW's "No woman, no cry"... uhh... I mean "No model, no rules" methodology, and I think that Brood Brothers coming back to 40K is about a 1 in a million shot (even with allies)... but a Hybrid can dream, can't he/she/it?

Yeah, I have very very very very very low expectations for this release.

I'm guessing:

-no genestealer stat changes despite them being woefully underpowered because GW can only errata changes to space marine units.

-Basically no ally capabilities with anything, no change from FAQ. Despite being the 'sneaky infiltrators that inveigle themselves in human society' they will be CTA with everybody, Convenience with Tyranids, making them next to impossible to feasibly create a list.

-IF they get new sprues, then they will be something like cultists with a couple extra weapon options. I'm anticipating just a repackage of DWO in much more expensive individual kits despite this being the absolute 100% worst way to drive sales. GW will then use the astronomically low sales to justify another 6 months in a row of loyalist space marines.

-No transports, no capabilities to work like the GQBroodkin formation works because of infiltrate/stealth/shroud/turn 1 charge. Basic detachment probably grants infiltrate. Sure, we could give them access to chimeras and guard vehicles like every marine faction+inquisition+sisters get access to rhinos and other marine vehicles, but that would require too much thought and effort.

We'll be one up on the Harlequin and Skitarii Codices though: We'll actually have HQ choices!

the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, I have very very very very very low expectations for this release.

I'm guessing:

-no genestealer stat changes despite them being woefully underpowered because GW can only errata changes to space marine units.

-Basically no ally capabilities with anything, no change from FAQ. Despite being the 'sneaky infiltrators that inveigle themselves in human society' they will be CTA with everybody, Convenience with Tyranids, making them next to impossible to feasibly create a list.

-IF they get new sprues, then they will be something like cultists with a couple extra weapon options. I'm anticipating just a repackage of DWO in much more expensive individual kits despite this being the absolute 100% worst way to drive sales. GW will then use the astronomically low sales to justify another 6 months in a row of loyalist space marines.

-No transports, no capabilities to work like the GQBroodkin formation works because of infiltrate/stealth/shroud/turn 1 charge. Basic detachment probably grants infiltrate. Sure, we could give them access to chimeras and guard vehicles like every marine faction+inquisition+sisters get access to rhinos and other marine vehicles, but that would require too much thought and effort.

Yeah, and they'll probably use a new plastic that gives you a rash. Then I'll have to wait in the doctor's office for hours covered in blistering eczema while tuberculosis patients cough on me...

 gorgon wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, I have very very very very very low expectations for this release.

I'm guessing:

-no genestealer stat changes despite them being woefully underpowered because GW can only errata changes to space marine units.

-Basically no ally capabilities with anything, no change from FAQ. Despite being the 'sneaky infiltrators that inveigle themselves in human society' they will be CTA with everybody, Convenience with Tyranids, making them next to impossible to feasibly create a list.

-IF they get new sprues, then they will be something like cultists with a couple extra weapon options. I'm anticipating just a repackage of DWO in much more expensive individual kits despite this being the absolute 100% worst way to drive sales. GW will then use the astronomically low sales to justify another 6 months in a row of loyalist space marines.

-No transports, no capabilities to work like the GQBroodkin formation works because of infiltrate/stealth/shroud/turn 1 charge. Basic detachment probably grants infiltrate. Sure, we could give them access to chimeras and guard vehicles like every marine faction+inquisition+sisters get access to rhinos and other marine vehicles, but that would require too much thought and effort.

Yeah, and they'll probably use a new plastic that gives you a rash. Then I'll have to wait in the doctor's office for hours covered in blistering eczema while tuberculosis patients cough on me...

Geez, thanks man. Just about spit my coffee all over my work computer.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You know that Brood Brothers and Hybrids existed at the same time before, yes? They had different roles.

yeah, but doesn't means I think they need to re-release them again. Same for the limo. I think they both would be wasted kits (for different reason though) as more interesting things could be made for the GC imo.

 Imateria wrote:

And I really hope they don't make Aberrants a unit upgrade for 1st and 2nd gen Hybrids the way Trueborn are for Kabalites, that would just piss all over the excellent models they made for them in Overkill.

I think he meant them as models that can be added to existing hybrid units akin to squad leaders or heavy weapon teams. Still, I think they probably will remain an independent unit. The Deathwatch units turned out to be perfect matches for their codex's minimum-sized units so I don't see why they would change things for the Hybrids.

My guess is that the release will probably have a box for each hybrid type from Overkill (Acolyte, Neophyte, and Aberrant) and a new Genestealer kit with the retro-style 'stealers, along with a repack of the character sprues (Magnus and Primus are on the same section if I remember right - Patriarch is by himself). That covers about 6-7 individual kits depending on whether they pack the Magus/Primus together in a box or as separate clampacks, so there probably won't be much else if it is specifically a Harlequin-sized release (Harlequins got 6 kits).

Also I wouldn't be surprised if an Acolyte box also builds a "heavy-weapons squad" variant, as the hybrid carrying a Mining Laser from Overkill has a body (and base) that matches the hunched Acolyte hybrids rather than the human-like Neophyte hybrids.

the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, I have very very very very very low expectations for this release.

I'm guessing:

-no genestealer stat changes despite them being woefully underpowered because GW can only errata changes to space marine units.

-Basically no ally capabilities with anything, no change from FAQ. Despite being the 'sneaky infiltrators that inveigle themselves in human society' they will be CTA with everybody, Convenience with Tyranids, making them next to impossible to feasibly create a list.

-IF they get new sprues, then they will be something like cultists with a couple extra weapon options. I'm anticipating just a repackage of DWO in much more expensive individual kits despite this being the absolute 100% worst way to drive sales. GW will then use the astronomically low sales to justify another 6 months in a row of loyalist space marines.

-No transports, no capabilities to work like the GQBroodkin formation works because of infiltrate/stealth/shroud/turn 1 charge. Basic detachment probably grants infiltrate. Sure, we could give them access to chimeras and guard vehicles like every marine faction+inquisition+sisters get access to rhinos and other marine vehicles, but that would require too much thought and effort.

If this thread is now going to provide speculation rather than news, can we at least make it slightly more positive speculation?

- While I agree Genestealers likely won't get any stat changes, I do think that the recent formation special rules will become standard and easily obtainable for them. One key part of this being free Stealth; something long needed for 'stealers. On top of this I think we'll see more formations that relax restrictions around infiltrate / outflank / turn 1 assaults, plus more opportunities to gain Shrouded. Generally I believe 'stealers will become more effective via special rules rather than new stat lines.

- New sprues for many of these units are pretty much a given when you take GW's recent history into account. These days the 'sculpting' work on the kits is done in CAD software, with automated systems to produce injection molds at a far lower cost than before. This means the same design elements can be re-used in both snap-fit and standard multi-part kits with little extra work. Turning the Deathwatch GSC designs into AdMech/Harlequin-style individual kits seems the most likely scenario to me.

- Why do we need transports in an army themed around infiltration and sneak-assaults? Basically every army these days has obligatory flyers, transports and overpriced walkers. Personally I'll be way happier to see well-thought-out rules for assaulting from reserve than needing to spend £40 on some AV11 metal box armed with a heavy stubber. The assault grenades, telepathy and turn 1 charge rules in the Ghosar formation show that GW are at least aware of some Tyranid weaknesses, and I like to believe they will continue this approach while keeping a unique character for GSC armies.

- I'm starting to think that people who bemoan the lack of Battle Brothers are mostly annoyed that they can't abuse the horrifically broken scenario of cheap ML2 telepathy alongside huge Codex: Tyranids creatures. AoC with Tyranids is still a pretty good deal and will open up a lot of options once GSCs have a more flexible unit list to build from. If GSC lists continue to focus on the infiltration / early assault niche with multiple cheap units, it could even make some allied Tyranid ground-based lists more viable by giving them time to advance safely.

There was a teaser, confirming the topic exists and is incoming... you speculate until the news cycle completes itself lol...


I have pretty decent confidence in this release. I definitely think it will be a minimum harlequin sized release. I think if they are very, very clever, they will add in options to cross-sell other ranges with an upgrade sprue available. Why in the name of god would you turn your back on selling a ton of dormant IG/AstMil stuff on the back of a harlequin sized release too, with your only big implication to do so being a DW/BA style upgrade sprue?

Regardless, this is a property they 100% wholly own, no major derivation from other sources. The name, the designs, the pedigree, all theirs, and that is exactly the kind of stuff they are focusing on for IP reasons. They put a lot of love into Overkill, I see no reason to expect less, and frankly objectively speaking on the mini front they have been delivering in spades for a good year now.

The only exception to my above logic seems to be CSM of course lol...

the_scotsman wrote:
Yeah, I have very very very very very low expectations for this release.

Same for me. I have no faith that GW writers can do any good when it comes to Tyranids anymore. So my expectations are low as well. At least I can't get disappointed only surprised in a good way if it happens.

-no genestealer stat changes despite them being woefully underpowered because GW can only errata changes to space marine units.

Just like how I have no faith in GW with Tyranids, I have no faith in GW with Chaos Space Marines either. I find this quote funny because there seems to be more cheer and excitement over the Blood Angel book than the Chaos Space Marine book and they are released side by side. Oh this quote is so true even when it comes to make books and not errata.

-Basically no ally capabilities with anything, no change from FAQ. Despite being the 'sneaky infiltrators that inveigle themselves in human society' they will be CTA with everybody, Convenience with Tyranids, making them next to impossible to feasibly create a list.

Now my cynicism is coming out. While I agree no ally capabilities being changed from the FAQ, this is GW after all and the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing so you never know, it might actually happen.

-No transports, no capabilities to work like the GQBroodkin formation works because of infiltrate/stealth/shroud/turn 1 charge. Basic detachment probably grants infiltrate. Sure, we could give them access to chimeras and guard vehicles like every marine faction+inquisition+sisters get access to rhinos and other marine vehicles, but that would require too much thought and effort.

Funny thing, GW of old we would have said this was possible because GW is greedy and wants our money. Funny enough GW of today does things that says "Please don't give us your money" and of course will not do this and not give out vehicles for the Genestealers.