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 MajorWesJanson wrote:

motski wrote:
It will be interesting to see the stat line on those Custodes and their wargear

We know the Guardian Spear statline already- S +1 AP2 Melee, Block (choose one enemy to hit dice, roll a d6, if your roll is higher than the hit is ignored), Two handed, with a bolter attached.

Although the description of the spear in the DW book does mention the bolter was modified to use the special DW ammo. I expect the Custodes to have some special ammo of their own.

[img]http://a401.idata.over-blog.com/4/08/11/33/Legio-Custodes/Custodes-John-Blanche.jpg

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

motski wrote:
It will be interesting to see the stat line on those Custodes and their wargear

We know the Guardian Spear statline already- S +1 AP2 Melee, Block (choose one enemy to hit dice, roll a d6, if your roll is higher than the hit is ignored), Two handed, with a bolter attached.

Although the description of the spear in the DW book does mention the bolter was modified to use the special DW ammo. I expect the Custodes to have some special ammo of their own.

The art earlier in this thread says they use laser weapons not bolters.

 ThirstySpaceMan wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

motski wrote:
It will be interesting to see the stat line on those Custodes and their wargear

We know the Guardian Spear statline already- S +1 AP2 Melee, Block (choose one enemy to hit dice, roll a d6, if your roll is higher than the hit is ignored), Two handed, with a bolter attached.

Although the description of the spear in the DW book does mention the bolter was modified to use the special DW ammo. I expect the Custodes to have some special ammo of their own.

The art earlier in this thread says they use laser weapons not bolters.

The Guardian Spear was the traditional weapon of the Adeptus Custodes during the Great Crusade and the Horus Heresy. The spears were halberd-like power weapons incorporating a bolt weapon. The weapon's powerful ranged and close combat duality complemented the fighting style of this bodyguard force, giving them good capabilities in both close combat and at a distance. In battle, Custodes spin these weapons in great arcs, slaying enemies with each strike be it in melee combat or from afar.[2]

As symbol of their roles as sentinel, Deathwatch Watch Masters are also given Guardian Spears

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm hoping they don't appear in 40K at all, they've no reason to leave Terra unless GW do something monumentally stupid to the fluff like wake up the God-Corpsicle or bring back Loyalist primarchs and have them depose the Emperor.

Or if a future Black Crusade reached Terra...

Tsukuru wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm hoping they don't appear in 40K at all, they've no reason to leave Terra unless GW do something monumentally stupid to the fluff like wake up the God-Corpsicle or bring back Loyalist primarchs and have them depose the Emperor.

Or if a future Black Crusade reached Terra...

Yes, I did say "something stupid like", there are many, many other stupid things GW could do with the fluff to justify Custodes armies in 40K.

Tsukuru wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm hoping they don't appear in 40K at all, they've no reason to leave Terra unless GW do something monumentally stupid to the fluff like wake up the God-Corpsicle or bring back Loyalist primarchs and have them depose the Emperor.

Or if a future Black Crusade reached Terra...

Yeah, took Horus 7 years to reach Terra with the might of 8 entire traitor legions. Knowing the difference between the HH writers and GW writers i'm sure Abaddon could do it in 2 weeks.

Before the Heresy, Custodes were often used as bodyguards for people deemed important enough to warrant that kind of protection. It wouldn't be that much of a retcon to allow Custodes units as allies for Imperial armies under the pretence of protecting someone marked by the divine will of the Emperor. The boys in gold do as they please anyway, who's to say they're not really acting on direct instructions of the Throne?

Like sort of a cooler looking Legion of the Damned.

Armies though, that wouldn't fly even in 30k.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Before the Heresy, Custodes were often used as bodyguards for people deemed important enough to warrant that kind of protection. It wouldn't be that much of a retcon to allow Custodes units as allies for Imperial armies under the pretence of protecting someone marked by the divine will of the Emperor. The boys in gold do as they please anyway, who's to say they're not really acting on direct instructions of the Throne?

Like sort of a cooler looking Legion of the Damned.

Armies though, that wouldn't fly even in 30k.

That's what I was thinking. Basically a squad allied in would be the only way to use them in 40k(if they do allow it). I can't think of anyone with the "authority" to question the Custodus. If they say the Emperor Wills It, well then....

str00dles1 wrote:
Its pretty silly to think that all of the "leaks" GW has done in the past X years are all employees sneaking them/ friends sneaking them. I'm not one for conspiracies, but id be willing to bet quite a lot that its all part of their marketing to "pretend" it got out to build hype.

I swear GW does this. The people at GW can't really be this incompetent and not want to give out "excitement" or "hype" for their products to be released.

Mr_Rose wrote:Either that or the shirtless look somehow represents an upgrade in personal protection; subdermal forcefield generators or something? It shouldn't be too weird for the Emperor's personal guard to have protections utterly unknown outside the palace...

Well the Imperial Guard or what ever those Jungle dudes are have those AWESOME T-shirts that give them better protection then Tyranid Chitin armour.

 Kirasu wrote:

Tsukuru wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm hoping they don't appear in 40K at all, they've no reason to leave Terra unless GW do something monumentally stupid to the fluff like wake up the God-Corpsicle or bring back Loyalist primarchs and have them depose the Emperor.

Or if a future Black Crusade reached Terra...

Yeah, took Horus 7 years to reach Terra with the might of 8 entire traitor legions. Knowing the difference between the HH writers and GW writers i'm sure Abaddon could do it in 2 weeks.

Although, if the Heresy novels are anything to go by, if Abaddon just went in a straight line, that would cut almost all of the time difference off!

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm hoping they don't appear in 40K at all, they've no reason to leave Terra unless GW do something monumentally stupid to the fluff like wake up the God-Corpsicle or bring back Loyalist primarchs and have them depose the Emperor.

I've mixed feelings about Custodes and SoS appearing in the 40k timeframe myself, but I'd be surprised if GW make plastic models that don't end up having 40k rules in some form. As for there reasons for leaving? Perhaps the Imperial web way has become unstable/is being attacked by Chaos again and they need to head out into the galaxy to secure entryways or arcotech. They could be looking for Sensi(if we are talking Custodes might as well go for another deep cut ). Or they could go for the big one and have them looking for a reincarnated Emperor.

Custodes probably should appear in 1s, some may still be seconded to watch over chapters. ?

Isn't there one who went evil?

S.Y.

We sure they're really Custodeus and not just some Sigmarines who took a wrong turn?

Hooray, gold space marines! They'll look great allied with my silver space marines.

Got some real edgy people here. I like it when the mods troll

So... I'm going to speculate on the Custodes statline. They are supposed to be slightly better than a standard space marine. With that in mind, I'd base them heavily on the Deathwatch Veterans.

Ws 5, Bs 4, S 4, T 4, W 1, I 4, A 2, Sv 3+.

Comes standard with a Guardian Spear. Probably around 40 points per model.

I'd go with 2W and T5

 cuda1179 wrote:
So... I'm going to speculate on the Custodes statline. They are supposed to be slightly better than a standard space marine. With that in mind, I'd base them heavily on the Deathwatch Veterans.

Ws 5, Bs 4, S 4, T 4, W 1, I 4, A 2, Sv 3+.

Comes standard with a Guardian Spear. Probably around 40 points per model.

I'd say your low balling them. No way will they "just" have a 3+ save, well maybe a 3++ save.

Sisters of Silence - we have never been told what happened to them - it might be resolved in the Beast storyline.

Crossed fingers for Sisters of any kind.

Custodes should have WS 5 I 5 and artificer armour at the very least.

With regards to justifying Custodes in 40k, Primarchs returning is a logical one. It looks like Leman Russ might be on his way back out of the Eye of Terror, but are you really going to trust some monstrous guy walking out of the epicentre of mankind's greatest enemy? Some Custodes appearing to validate his claim to be a Primarch would be a logical leap, hell some of the Custodes might actually know the Primarchs personally.

 IGtR= wrote:
Got some real edgy people here. I like it when the mods troll

Like we have much of choice in it: "Like it or else..."
;-)

 Sersi wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
So... I'm going to speculate on the Custodes statline. They are supposed to be slightly better than a standard space marine. With that in mind, I'd base them heavily on the Deathwatch Veterans.

Ws 5, Bs 4, S 4, T 4, W 1, I 4, A 2, Sv 3+.

Comes standard with a Guardian Spear. Probably around 40 points per model.

I'd say your low balling them. No way will they "just" have a 3+ save, well maybe a 3++ save.

Well, they are in between marines and the Primarchs in stats, but I'd say they are closer to marines than they are Primarchs. Perhaps a 5+ invulnerable?

Every other model in a starter set has gotten 40k rules. Contemptor Dread, Cataphractii Terminators, Genestealer cult, Deathwatch, etc. I'm pretty sure Custodes will as well. Even if their "army" is but a single choice and costs a TON of points.

Thinking about that.... I think there might be an easy way to estimate their cost and abilities. If we can find out the box contents the two sides are supposed to be evenly matched. If we figure out what the 1000 sons have, then subtract the space wolves, we get the combined cost of the SoS and the Custodes.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Sisters of Silence - we have never been told what happened to them - it might be resolved in the Beast storyline.

Crossed fingers for Sisters of any kind.

What if they tell us that Sisters of Silence were folded into the ranks of Ordo Hereticus, or even Sisters of Battle, after they were formalized as SoB in M36? SoS were still around, in very limited numbers (that we know of) as late as M32, and they'd be a fantastic "black ops" unit to have available for witch hunting, after all....

I know, I know, that would mean GW actually paying attention to SoB, maybe even bringing them out of the obscurity of web order and e-codex only, and that would never happen.

But, then, it seems that the most reliable rumor mongers have indicated some real love, and new releases, coming for Thousand Sons, who they've similarly crapped upon and tried to ignore for many years.

Guess we'll see.


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 cuda1179 wrote:

 Sersi wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
So... I'm going to speculate on the Custodes statline. They are supposed to be slightly better than a standard space marine. With that in mind, I'd base them heavily on the Deathwatch Veterans.

Ws 5, Bs 4, S 4, T 4, W 1, I 4, A 2, Sv 3+.

Comes standard with a Guardian Spear. Probably around 40 points per model.

I'd say your low balling them. No way will they "just" have a 3+ save, well maybe a 3++ save.

Well, they are in between marines and the Primarchs in stats, but I'd say they are closer to marines than they are Primarchs. Perhaps a 5+ invulnerable?

Every other model in a starter set has gotten 40k rules. Contemptor Dread, Cataphractii Terminators, Genestealer cult, Deathwatch, etc. I'm pretty sure Custodes will as well. Even if their "army" is but a single choice and costs a TON of points.

Thinking about that.... I think there might be an easy way to estimate their cost and abilities. If we can find out the box contents the two sides are supposed to be evenly matched. If we figure out what the 1000 sons have, then subtract the space wolves, we get the combined cost of the SoS and the Custodes.

They'll be matched for the rules of the boxed game, and the scenarios and available forces, in that game. Not necessarily for 30k/40k rules.

I think it's interesting that the WD cover specifies that it includes rules for "Legio Custodes in Horus Heresy battles", and not for use in 40k. What differences there'd be for Custodes between the two time frames, beyond "can be taken with x, y, or z as allies" type differences, will remain to be seen.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Sisters of Silence - we have never been told what happened to them - it might be resolved in the Beast storyline.

Crossed fingers for Sisters of any kind.

Haven't got caught up on it yet(Just started Watchers in death) but one of the covers for a future book in the series has a SoS front and center, and they have been mentioned in the books.

shade1313 wrote:
I know, I know, that would mean GW actually paying attention to SoB, maybe even bringing them out of the obscurity of web order and e-codex only, and that would never happen.

Custodes are coming out. Genestealer Cult is coming out. Sisters of Silence (that happen to be SoB with topknots) are coming out.

If I hear tomorrow that GW is re-releasing SoB the day after, I'll probably stop at a shrug. Maybe a raised brow, if I feel exceptionally generous.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

shade1313 wrote:
I know, I know, that would mean GW actually paying attention to SoB, maybe even bringing them out of the obscurity of web order and e-codex only, and that would never happen.

Custodes are coming out. Genestealer Cult is coming out. Sisters of Silence (that happen to be SoB with topknots) are coming out.

If I hear tomorrow that GW is re-releasing SoB the day after, I'll probably stop at a shrug. Maybe a raised brow, if I feel exceptionally generous.

I'll be more impressed if all these armies are released and 8th edition doesn't invalidate, exterminate or just pretend they no longer exist.

Given you could do pretty much all of their troops with a combi box and their vehicles with a Rhino sprue, I can't imagine a small-but-perfectly-formed Sisters release is tooooo far off.

Current releases seem driven by fanboys internally, so 'no demand' is no longer a reason... following old GeeDub logic there'd been 'no demand' for GS Cult since the pewter models stopped being available, yet here we are... boxed game and release of a mini-army. The wind truly has changed!

I always thought the Sisters of Silence became the Culexus (being nulls and all), but apparently the two existed at the same time during the heresy?

I'll be interested to see how these models compare to the Scribor Roman line