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If these custodes are released, will it be as a stand alone codex or as an allies thing or supplement?

If they can stand alone, i think I'm all in.

They have an army list in the next 30k FW book


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 BloodGrin wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Have all the various Calth units been given 40k rules?

If so guess its possible Custodes / Sisters of Silence may well do so as well so they can sell the units separately.

Id highly doubt SoS would get 40k rules, as they are not in 40k. They will hve rules for 30k from Forgeworlds ruleset for book 7. I would say the same for Custodes. They watch over a corpse now and haven't fought in 10,000 years.

I don't get all the clamorning for SoS and Custodes to be in 40k. They are not from that time period. Let the games be different

Written like a fan, not a commercial enterprise.

If GW believes that making them available in 40K will stimulate sales, then available in 40K they will be. Fortunately it won't really impact on 30K being the more interesting variant to play if they do so.

They will not have 40k rules.
It has nothing to do with commercial, as can be seen by the fact that Sisters of Battle is on the backburner even though everyone knows that there is interest.
It has to do with story and balance, and that is why they will stay in 30k where we are fortunate to get them.

What a load of nonsense! If they ultimately remain 30K only, it will have nothing to do with balance or story, it wull be because they don't feel their inclusion will generate sufficient sales to justify the development time.

But then, it isn't likely to happen, because if they've decided to invest in HIPS moulds then they are going to make damn sure they get their money back as many times over as possible.

Using SoB to somehow prove your argument is daft too, I can probably find people who would express "interest" in a Fishman 40K army, that doesn't mean that interest will justify the investment in making them or sell sufficiently to make any money.

My guess is that the plot will advance to the point where Custodes and Sisters of Silence become relevant again in M41. Also, primarchs and even The/a Sigilite. Hopefully, GW will be smart enough or have learned enough from Fantasy to keep the advanced timeline as a separate or even alternative timeline so that 40k Classic remains viable. If they go the alternate route, I could even see them eventually co-opting the Dornian Heresy so that they can sell 30k Thousand Sons (and other legions) in "a 40k".

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
My guess is that the plot will advance to the point where Custodes and Sisters of Silence become relevant again in M41. Also, primarchs and even The/a Sigilite. Hopefully, GW will be smart enough or have learned enough from Fantasy to keep the advanced timeline as a separate or even alternative timeline so that 40k Classic remains viable. If they go the alternate route, I could even see them eventually co-opting the Dornian Heresy so that they can sell 30k Thousand Sons (and other legions) in "a 40k".

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

The Beast Arises is taking a lot of what we "knew" about the time between 30k and 40k and shifting it onto its heads. Saying that "The Sisters of Silence aren't around in M41" is becoming demonstrably false thanks to those books; however it is worth mentioning that their numbers might as well be nonexistent at that juncture.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Hopefully, GW will be smart enough or have learned enough from Fantasy to keep the advanced timeline as a separate or even alternative timeline so that 40k Classic remains viable.

As long as the general format of the game remains the same, it won't suffer the same issues. If one doesn't like the new additons, one can always play a game of the new edition under "historical" army selection rules. AoS utterly changed the core structure of Fantasy, in many ways it will be irrelevant what they do to the fluff, as long as the game doesn't abandon the basic structure of 40K you just play what you want. If 8th radically alters how your army works to the point that they don't look the same anymore, that's where there'll be trouble.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
My guess is that the plot will advance to the point where Custodes and Sisters of Silence become relevant again in M41. Also, primarchs and even The/a Sigilite. Hopefully, GW will be smart enough or have learned enough from Fantasy to keep the advanced timeline as a separate or even alternative timeline so that 40k Classic remains viable. If they go the alternate route, I could even see them eventually co-opting the Dornian Heresy so that they can sell 30k Thousand Sons (and other legions) in "a 40k".

If it's true that primarchs are coming back, I could see a contingent of Custodes/SoS (if they still exist) being assigned to each loyal primarch returning.


I am trying to patiently await this release. I'm actually excited, and for the fenris part 2

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
My guess is that the plot will advance to the point where Custodes and Sisters of Silence become relevant again in M41. Also, primarchs and even The/a Sigilite. Hopefully, GW will be smart enough or have learned enough from Fantasy to keep the advanced timeline as a separate or even alternative timeline so that 40k Classic remains viable. If they go the alternate route, I could even see them eventually co-opting the Dornian Heresy so that they can sell 30k Thousand Sons (and other legions) in "a 40k".

I've said it before and I'll say it again...

The Beast Arises is taking a lot of what we "knew" about the time between 30k and 40k and shifting it onto its heads. Saying that "The Sisters of Silence aren't around in M41" is becoming demonstrably false thanks to those books; however it is worth mentioning that their numbers might as well be nonexistent at that juncture.

Dammit, you're really selling me on the Beast. I thought I was out of the black library, but it turns out I was just wandering deeper.

I agree with Azreal13. If GW already made plastic models for Sisters of Silence they'll at least throw 40K stats for them in a White Dwarf, to boost sales.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Hopefully, GW will be smart enough or have learned enough from Fantasy to keep the advanced timeline as a separate or even alternative timeline so that 40k Classic remains viable.

As long as the general format of the game remains the same, it won't suffer the same issues. If one doesn't like the new additons, one can always play a game of the new edition under "historical" army selection rules. AoS utterly changed the core structure of Fantasy, in many ways it will be irrelevant what they do to the fluff, as long as the game doesn't abandon the basic structure of 40K you just play what you want. If 8th radically alters how your army works to the point that they don't look the same anymore, that's where there'll be trouble.

Not only do I disagree, but I can't even really fathom any fanboys taking that in stride. "As long as they keep 40k's famously terrible rule set intact, it doesn't matter what they do to the IP?" Maybe I run in different circles, but the IP is the only thing keeping people interested in GW. I find it difficult to remain engaged in a setting once I know how all of the characters I love will die unfulfilled or dwindle into a shallow parody of themselves, and any unsolved mysteries or unseen gulfs will remain forever frustrating.

AoS caused so much controversy, in part, because it changed from a block based, rank and file game to a round based, loose formation one. Literally every mechanic went out of the window, there was no way you could play a Fantasy army in AoS and have the army look even slightly the same. They changed the stat lines, they changed the resolution of essentially every action. There was no way you could recreate a WHFB game using AoS rules.

The transition to 8th, we know from Sad Panda, will not be as radical. Therefore it is far more likely that someone who doesn't like anything new can simply disregard it, but if 8th proves to be a better game then we may well see something akin to a 9th Age community grow for 40K, where the game is played but the fluff is disregarded.

I can handle bad fluff a lot more easily than a bad game, it is much, much easier to ignore.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Hopefully, GW will be smart enough or have learned enough from Fantasy to keep the advanced timeline as a separate or even alternative timeline so that 40k Classic remains viable.

As long as the general format of the game remains the same, it won't suffer the same issues. If one doesn't like the new additons, one can always play a game of the new edition under "historical" army selection rules. AoS utterly changed the core structure of Fantasy, in many ways it will be irrelevant what they do to the fluff, as long as the game doesn't abandon the basic structure of 40K you just play what you want. If 8th radically alters how your army works to the point that they don't look the same anymore, that's where there'll be trouble.

Not only do I disagree, but I can't even really fathom any fanboys taking that in stride. "As long as they keep 40k's famously terrible rule set intact, it doesn't matter what they do to the IP?" Maybe I run in different circles, but the IP is the only thing keeping people interested in GW. I find it difficult to remain engaged in a setting once I know how all of the characters I love will die unfulfilled or dwindle into a shallow parody of themselves, and any unsolved mysteries or unseen gulfs will remain forever frustrating.

Yeah I'd agree. The rules can change as long as the setting remains mostly intact. The shift from 1st to 2d edition and then from 3rd onwards made some massive changes in the rules, but the background stayed mostly the same. As long as armies don't get wiped out I think most gamers are able to accept a new rules set.
But back to the topic, the talk about the Beast series has got me thinking. 40K rules doesn't necessarily mean they are going to show up in M41(although I wouldn't want to bet against it). Ten thousand years between the HH and 40k's "present" is a lot of setting to mine.

 Azreal13 wrote:
AoS caused so much controversy, in part, because it changed from a block based, rank and file game to a round based, loose formation one. Literally every mechanic went out of the window, there was no way you could play a Fantasy army in AoS and have the army look even slightly the same. They changed the stat lines, they changed the resolution of essentially every action. There was no way you could recreate a WHFB game using AoS rules.

The transition to 8th, we know from Sad Panda, will not be as radical. Therefore it is far more likely that someone who doesn't like anything new can simply disregard it, but if 8th proves to be a better game then we may well see something akin to a 9th Age community grow for 40K, where the game is played but the fluff is disregarded.

I can handle bad fluff a lot more easily than a bad game, it is much, much easier to ignore.

Isn't it already a bad game? Nthat's all I ever hear about it, but people keep buying.

I thought bad rules were easy to ignore, which is why Oldhammer is a thing and people keep playing old editions or old specialist games. Bad fluff kills the franchise, especially the ancillary products and licenses that keep GW afloat.

In extreme cases, bad rules make players move to another game, like KoW, but keep the fluff they like. As we've seen, that approach to gaming sells GW's minis far more than Mantic's.

 adamsouza wrote:
I agree with Azreal13. If GW already made plastic models for Sisters of Silence they'll at least throw 40K stats for them in a White Dwarf, to boost sales.

it would make sense - they specifically made new 40k rules for Calth models.

unless they are the base for ...Sisters of Battle - is there a forlon hope emote?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
AoS caused so much controversy, in part, because it changed from a block based, rank and file game to a round based, loose formation one. Literally every mechanic went out of the window, there was no way you could play a Fantasy army in AoS and have the army look even slightly the same. They changed the stat lines, they changed the resolution of essentially every action. There was no way you could recreate a WHFB game using AoS rules.

The transition to 8th, we know from Sad Panda, will not be as radical. Therefore it is far more likely that someone who doesn't like anything new can simply disregard it, but if 8th proves to be a better game then we may well see something akin to a 9th Age community grow for 40K, where the game is played but the fluff is disregarded.

I can handle bad fluff a lot more easily than a bad game, it is much, much easier to ignore.

Isn't it already a bad game? Nthat's all I ever hear about it, but people keep buying.

You're asking me if 8th edition 40K is already a bad game? Because that's what I'm talking about. People have stopped buying, just not all the people.

I thought bad rules were easy to ignore, which is why Oldhammer is a thing and people keep playing old editions or old specialist games. Bad fluff kills the franchise, especially the ancillary products and licenses that keep GW afloat.

Most people who play old/defunct editions seems to be because they prefer the rules? That certainly seems to be the main driver for people going back to the 3-5th edition 40K, not because the fluff is different. So if 8th offers a better gaming experience, isn't it logical to assume people who aren't happy with the game as it currently is may start to return, irrespective of what happens to the fluff?

In extreme cases, bad rules make players move to another game, like KoW, but keep the fluff they like. As we've seen, that approach to gaming sells GW's minis far more than Mantic's.

I'd say it isn't that extreme for people to get put off by bad rules. It certainly has for me with 40K. I've not gone to a game that offers a substitute, I've just gone to better games.

Market share, profile and inertia are powerful forces that don't necessarily correlate with the quality of the product on offer or the way a business conducts itself.

I'm saying oldhammer players are still buying minis, even if they use other rules. However, people who've lost interest in the setting are unlikely to buy anything.

I'm not sure I'd agree. I'd suggest that the typical oldhammer player has been playing for a while, already has all the minis they need (some might even be painted!) and if they buy anything, it will be the occasional box, certainly nothing to sustain GW's substantial overhead. They're not going to buy multiple copies of the new big OTT shiny, because they don't exist in their game world.

If they've become disillusioned enough to move to another ruleset or play an older edition, they're probably more disposed towards avoiding spending cash with GW too, so will seek out third party or 2nd hand alternatives.

Ughhh. Still no pics of the Plastodes crack?

Also, do Sisters of Silence ever see any action outside of the Imperial Palace?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Ughhh. Still no pics of the Plastodes crack?

Also, do Sisters of Silence ever see any action outside of the Imperial Palace?

Yeah I was super confused why the White Dwarf hit and no images have surfaced. The Custodes issue is November tho, so that explains why we haven't seen anything.

 rybackstun wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Ughhh. Still no pics of the Plastodes crack?

Also, do Sisters of Silence ever see any action outside of the Imperial Palace?

Yeah I was super confused why the White Dwarf hit and no images have surfaced. The Custodes issue is November tho, so that explains why we haven't seen anything.

but we already have the white dwarf cover of november...

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Also, do Sisters of Silence ever see any action outside of the Imperial Palace?

Oh yes. They were the Emperors elite anti psyker force during the crusade and the Heresy.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Ughhh. Still no pics of the Plastodes crack?

Also, do Sisters of Silence ever see any action outside of the Imperial Palace?

Apart from the minor incident at prospero? ...

The Sisters were back then very active in the galaxy at large, hunting down and rounding up psykers everywhere for transportation back to Terra.

I wonder if the custodes could be 40k relevant when we see the 8th edition with a possible second battle for Terra ect.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Ughhh. Still no pics of the Plastodes crack?

Also, do Sisters of Silence ever see any action outside of the Imperial Palace?

They saw plenty of action on Prospero Its the Custodes who we are told stay within the Palace - we know so little about the SOS.

 BrookM wrote:
The Sisters were back then very active in the galaxy at large, hunting down and rounding up psykers everywhere for transportation back to Terra.

That also seems like an easy way to inject them into 40k. The number of psykers is said to be growing, so the Imperium needs to expand/re-introduce a force capable of counteracting all these psykers.

I thought the sos were still active in the 41st millinuem on the black ships rounding up psychers to feed to the astronomincon. It's just that because they are tied to the black ships it means they are a force sort of like the arbites who don't really take battle field roles.

This looks like an artwork by FFG, does someone know from which publication/game it is?

Warhams-77 wrote:
This looks like an artwork by FFG, does someone know from which publication/game it is?

That's from The Beast Arises series by Black Library.

bogalubov wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
This looks like an artwork by FFG, does someone know from which publication/game it is?

That's from The Beast Arises series by Black Library.

You can tell by how bad the proportions are on the Boltgun. Captain Slaughter has the same issue, along with a truly massive left hand, then there is the backwards feeding Ammo Belt on the Deathwatch guy, who is also missing a leg. Oh and the ridiculously small Shadowsword on one of the other covers full versions. That artist is one of my least favorite employed by them.