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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/13 17:57:18
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
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Galef wrote: Jimsolo wrote:I think Kharn has the highest combination of combat experience and body-kinesthetic intelligence in the setting, easily. However, he suffers from limitations based on his physiology (space marines being built for durability rather than flexibility).
My vote remains for Lelith Hesperax; she's her body-kinesthetic intelligence is at least in the ballpark of Kharn's, and her body is capable of utilizing it to a degree that Kharn's is not.
Not to mention that Lelith by nature is a 1-on-1 combatant, whereas Kharn is more of a "kill anything that moves" combatant.
What also makes Lelith so impressive is that she does all this without the aid of combat drugs like so many other Wyches.
Never been defeated, never suffered serious injured (audiences marvel at her "unscarred" skin)
Plus, she is damn sexy, so my vote is for Lelith
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Well and the whole skimpy outfit and flowing hair is just to show off that she isnt even trying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/13 18:42:42
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Furious Fire Dragon
A forest
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Exergy wrote: Galef wrote: Jimsolo wrote:I think Kharn has the highest combination of combat experience and body-kinesthetic intelligence in the setting, easily. However, he suffers from limitations based on his physiology (space marines being built for durability rather than flexibility).
My vote remains for Lelith Hesperax; she's her body-kinesthetic intelligence is at least in the ballpark of Kharn's, and her body is capable of utilizing it to a degree that Kharn's is not.
Not to mention that Lelith by nature is a 1-on-1 combatant, whereas Kharn is more of a "kill anything that moves" combatant.
What also makes Lelith so impressive is that she does all this without the aid of combat drugs like so many other Wyches.
Never been defeated, never suffered serious injured (audiences marvel at her "unscarred" skin)
Plus, she is damn sexy, so my vote is for Lelith
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Well and the whole skimpy outfit and flowing hair is just to show off that she isnt even trying.
Doesn't she tie knives in her hair and use it as a weapon?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/13 20:16:43
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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TheLumberJack wrote: Exergy wrote: Galef wrote: Jimsolo wrote:I think Kharn has the highest combination of combat experience and body-kinesthetic intelligence in the setting, easily. However, he suffers from limitations based on his physiology (space marines being built for durability rather than flexibility).
My vote remains for Lelith Hesperax; she's her body-kinesthetic intelligence is at least in the ballpark of Kharn's, and her body is capable of utilizing it to a degree that Kharn's is not.
Not to mention that Lelith by nature is a 1-on-1 combatant, whereas Kharn is more of a "kill anything that moves" combatant.
What also makes Lelith so impressive is that she does all this without the aid of combat drugs like so many other Wyches.
Never been defeated, never suffered serious injured (audiences marvel at her "unscarred" skin)
Plus, she is damn sexy, so my vote is for Lelith
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Well and the whole skimpy outfit and flowing hair is just to show off that she isnt even trying.
Doesn't she tie knives in her hair and use it as a weapon?
"Lelith is the undisputed champion of the gladiatorial arenas, the most deadly of all her kind. In battle she uses her body as a weapon as well as her blades. Her hair is sewn through with barbs and hooks, her legs and feet edged with spurs and her fingernails have been honed to scalpel sharpness. Lelith can kill a dozen warriors in the space of a few seconds."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/13 20:18:23
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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While I'm a bit biased (surprise) I reckon there's a fairly strong shout to be made for a Solitaire, too, to be fair, if mainly because they're absurdly, mind-bogglingly fast.
One of them took down a fairly powerful Greater Daemon of Slaanesh pretty simply in Path of the Outcast. There's also another fluff piece where one goes up against a Chaos Lord and his retinue of eleven Chosen - they know he's there, they're ready for him, he still wipes them all out in the space of seconds before any of them even have a chance to react. The Chaos Lord starts raising his arm to fire his bolter and then realises that he's been cut into several pieces. Given that Astartes can react to bullets easily enough, this puts Solitaire combat speed at roughly somewhere between 'supersonic' and 'comic book speedster dropped in the wrong setting'.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/14 06:09:24
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Hellish Haemonculus
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Other than Motley, do we ever see a Solitaire fighting in the fluff?
I ask because Motley kind of gets played out. Every time we see him fight, he's not that impressive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/14 06:47:32
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Norn Queen
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https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Swarmlord
A short list of what the Swarmlord has done.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/14 06:53:09
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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Jimsolo wrote:Other than Motley, do we ever see a Solitaire fighting in the fluff?
I ask because Motley kind of gets played out. Every time we see him fight, he's not that impressive.
But... I literally just gave two examples in my post?
Path of the Outcast, where one solos a Keeper of Secrets, and a fluff piece in Warriors of the Laughing God where one annihilates 12 Astartes including a Chaos Lord in moments. I can link an image of that snippet, if you'd like.
Even with Motley, we never really saw him fight seriously in the PotDE series, but he had absolutely no worries about being able to handle Morr without killing him despite the latter being so fast that he moved faster than the eye could track and his klaive swings were only visible as afterimages. He stomped the incubus that came for him at the shrine, and all he did during his fight with Lady Malys was flirt and defend himself (yet he was still able to match a major character from another faction's codex). In Masque of Vyle he was scary as hell and stomped an Archon + his retinue flat with freaky mind control powers. I feel like you're underselling the guy a bit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/14 08:18:18
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Water-Caste Negotiator
Ontario, Canada
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Was it Motley or the Harlequin king that Lelith herself thinks might be able to to match or even best her? Then she gets excited by this notion. Whoever that was should probably be a contender.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/14 08:23:18
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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That was the Harlequin King, in Valedor.
Unfortunately, we never really saw anything else from him, so he's currently featless other than being the only confirmed being in the galaxy that Lelith has looked at and gone 'You know what, I probably couldn't take him'.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/14 08:29:46
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Angered Reaver Arena Champion
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Robin5t wrote: Jimsolo wrote:Other than Motley, do we ever see a Solitaire fighting in the fluff?
I ask because Motley kind of gets played out. Every time we see him fight, he's not that impressive.
But... I literally just gave two examples in my post?
Path of the Outcast, where one solos a Keeper of Secrets, and a fluff piece in Warriors of the Laughing God where one annihilates 12 Astartes including a Chaos Lord in moments. I can link an image of that snippet, if you'd like.
Even with Motley, we never really saw him fight seriously in the PotDE series, but he had absolutely no worries about being able to handle Morr without killing him despite the latter being so fast that he moved faster than the eye could track and his klaive swings were only visible as afterimages. He stomped the incubus that came for him at the shrine, and all he did during his fight with Lady Malys was flirt and defend himself (yet he was still able to match a major character from another faction's codex). In Masque of Vyle he was scary as hell and stomped an Archon + his retinue flat with freaky mind control powers. I feel like you're underselling the guy a bit.
Agreed, Motely never really has a showing in the Dark Eldar path books akin to when he goes full Solitaire at the end of Masque the Vyle. In that he was turning into a shadow, mind controlling people and being utterly impossible to target he was moving so fast he was essentially teleporting.
On the other hand I don't think a Solitaire could beat Lelith. Just look at the symbolism, which Harlequins are big on, that the Solitaires Soul exists to be claimed by Slaanesh and in Motely's closing paragraph of PotA he likens the Dark Eldar to play the part of Slaanesh when the other Dark Gods try take hold of the city. Lelith exemplifies this, being perfection she arguably best takes the role of Slaanesh in the metaphor and therefore would defeat the Solitaire. I know the Solitaire has beaten Greater Daemons, but it just seems different to me and while I can't support it with anything other than symbolism I still think Lelith would beat a Solitaire.
Lelith thinks the Harlequin King of a Grand Masque could be a match for her and fair play, that would be a great fight.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/14 08:59:53
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Water-Caste Negotiator
Ontario, Canada
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Robin5t wrote:That was the Harlequin King, in Valedor.
Unfortunately, we never really saw anything else from him, so he's currently featless other than being the only confirmed being in the galaxy that Lelith has looked at and gone 'You know what, I probably couldn't take him'.
Ive said it before and I'll say it again, the Harelequin King and Motley should have been special characters in the Harlequin codex, and they should have gotten a great harlequin HQ choice for CAD purposes if nothing else. /end tangent.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/14 14:42:21
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Robin5t wrote:I wonder what would happen if an Avatar of Khaine fought another Avatar of Khaine, though.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bqGsZzwPD94
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/14 14:56:17
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Shadowy Grot Kommittee Memba
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Robin5t wrote:Kharne and Eldrad are two of the top contenders IMO.
Kharne because he's ridiculously fast and strong even for an Astartes, and could bulldoze his way through most characters in the setting with sheer physical ability.
Eldrad because of his insane combat precognition ability. He basically has tens of thousands of tries to beat you before you've even started the fight.
I giggled at Eldrad, the dude that in his most recent fluff got dumpstered by a bunch of rando space maroonz.
Never, NEVER underestimate the power of marty stu plot armor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/14 16:41:48
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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the_scotsman wrote: Robin5t wrote:Kharne and Eldrad are two of the top contenders IMO.
Kharne because he's ridiculously fast and strong even for an Astartes, and could bulldoze his way through most characters in the setting with sheer physical ability.
Eldrad because of his insane combat precognition ability. He basically has tens of thousands of tries to beat you before you've even started the fight.
I giggled at Eldrad, the dude that in his most recent fluff got dumpstered by a bunch of rando space maroonz.
Never, NEVER underestimate the power of marty stu plot armor.
Death Masque NEVER. HAPPENED. Nope. No way, José. Don't know what you're talking about. Eldrad has never been punked by generic Space Marine character #545256.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/15 05:29:06
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Hellish Haemonculus
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Robin5t wrote: Jimsolo wrote:Other than Motley, do we ever see a Solitaire fighting in the fluff?
I ask because Motley kind of gets played out. Every time we see him fight, he's not that impressive.
But... I literally just gave two examples in my post?
Path of the Outcast, where one solos a Keeper of Secrets, and a fluff piece in Warriors of the Laughing God where one annihilates 12 Astartes including a Chaos Lord in moments. I can link an image of that snippet, if you'd like.
Even with Motley, we never really saw him fight seriously in the PotDE series, but he had absolutely no worries about being able to handle Morr without killing him despite the latter being so fast that he moved faster than the eye could track and his klaive swings were only visible as afterimages. He stomped the incubus that came for him at the shrine, and all he did during his fight with Lady Malys was flirt and defend himself (yet he was still able to match a major character from another faction's codex). In Masque of Vyle he was scary as hell and stomped an Archon + his retinue flat with freaky mind control powers. I feel like you're underselling the guy a bit.
Lol, sorry, my bad. I misread your initial post.
I dunno, I got the impression in that fight with Malys that he was hanging on by the skin of his teeth.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/15 17:12:48
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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ALEXisAWESOME wrote: Robin5t wrote: Jimsolo wrote:Other than Motley, do we ever see a Solitaire fighting in the fluff?
I ask because Motley kind of gets played out. Every time we see him fight, he's not that impressive.
But... I literally just gave two examples in my post?
Path of the Outcast, where one solos a Keeper of Secrets, and a fluff piece in Warriors of the Laughing God where one annihilates 12 Astartes including a Chaos Lord in moments. I can link an image of that snippet, if you'd like.
Even with Motley, we never really saw him fight seriously in the PotDE series, but he had absolutely no worries about being able to handle Morr without killing him despite the latter being so fast that he moved faster than the eye could track and his klaive swings were only visible as afterimages. He stomped the incubus that came for him at the shrine, and all he did during his fight with Lady Malys was flirt and defend himself (yet he was still able to match a major character from another faction's codex). In Masque of Vyle he was scary as hell and stomped an Archon + his retinue flat with freaky mind control powers. I feel like you're underselling the guy a bit.
Agreed, Motely never really has a showing in the Dark Eldar path books akin to when he goes full Solitaire at the end of Masque the Vyle. In that he was turning into a shadow, mind controlling people and being utterly impossible to target he was moving so fast he was essentially teleporting.
On the other hand I don't think a Solitaire could beat Lelith. Just look at the symbolism, which Harlequins are big on, that the Solitaires Soul exists to be claimed by Slaanesh and in Motely's closing paragraph of PotA he likens the Dark Eldar to play the part of Slaanesh when the other Dark Gods try take hold of the city. Lelith exemplifies this, being perfection she arguably best takes the role of Slaanesh in the metaphor and therefore would defeat the Solitaire. I know the Solitaire has beaten Greater Daemons, but it just seems different to me and while I can't support it with anything other than symbolism I still think Lelith would beat a Solitaire.
Lelith thinks the Harlequin King of a Grand Masque could be a match for her and fair play, that would be a great fight.
It sure would, but my money would still be on Lelith.
I also feel that an even more interesting fight would be Lelith vs Drazhar.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/15 17:45:24
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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Lelith vs Drazhar would be the stuff dreams are made of.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/15 18:27:13
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Angelic Adepta Sororitas
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Carnikang wrote:
He did cut off all of Calgars appendages. It's fluff entry in the Codex names a good few things that it he done (assumption that most of them are in a different universe), and is worked up to be a terrifying and monstrous warrior created when a Hive Fleet is having a big issue conquering. Why this nearly 20 foot monster that is almost as old as the Tyranid race and has experience from perhaps millions of conflicts, went down to Calgar after one-rounding him on Maccarage is mystery to me.
I could understand if Calgar had a wing of Thunerhawks pelt him with bombs, or a Warlord Titan step on him....
To be frank, I don't think its the same as fighting a Greater Demon or the Avatar o Khaine.
Really? I can't remember any accomplishments much besides generic 'conquered this-or-that-place' certainly nothing like beating a named character. Really for something to be a 'threat' it has to at least pass the bar of having beaten Space Marines once.
Don't get me wrong though; Greater Daemons and the Avatar of Khaine (hah) are no better. The Avatar is literally the weakest thing in the Warhammer universe going by fluff.
@Lance845: Well...it's 1d4chan so I don't trust it much but...even putting that aside the only thing on that list that matters is that one time it got Calgar on Macragge. The other things are just, well, Tyran doesn't matter, Hodrus doesn't matter and what happened on Iyanden doesn't show its a good one-on-one fighter, it just shows that the Swarmlord literally considers Avatars of Khaine to unimportant to fight personally. It probably had a higher priority target, like a Guardian Squad, to attack and so left the job to some Carnifexes.
Ignoring things which are too supernatural I'd still say Lelith's probably the best Mortal warrior I know...but I'm willing to accept a Harlequin could exist (if they ever make on in the fluff) who could fight her too. But since I don't know I'm still saying Lelith.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/15 19:05:58
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Somebody already said the emperor, isn't that /thread? The guy could make a legion bend its knee against their will, defeated a full powered C'Tan that had started a cult on Mars, and killed the most powerful deamon primarch to have ever existed (post ascension Horus). The four chaos gods themselves could not best him.
As for living (maybe ambulatory would be a better word since we are kind of not sure on the emp), probably one of the daemon primarchs, them being unkillable and all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/15 19:18:24
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Stealthy Sanctus Slipping in His Blade
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Anemone wrote: Carnikang wrote:
He did cut off all of Calgars appendages. It's fluff entry in the Codex names a good few things that it he done (assumption that most of them are in a different universe), and is worked up to be a terrifying and monstrous warrior created when a Hive Fleet is having a big issue conquering. Why this nearly 20 foot monster that is almost as old as the Tyranid race and has experience from perhaps millions of conflicts, went down to Calgar after one-rounding him on Maccarage is mystery to me.
I could understand if Calgar had a wing of Thunerhawks pelt him with bombs, or a Warlord Titan step on him....
To be frank, I don't think its the same as fighting a Greater Demon or the Avatar o Khaine.
Really? I can't remember any accomplishments much besides generic 'conquered this-or-that-place' certainly nothing like beating a named character. Really for something to be a 'threat' it has to at least pass the bar of having beaten Space Marines once.
Don't get me wrong though; Greater Daemons and the Avatar of Khaine (hah) are no better. The Avatar is literally the weakest thing in the Warhammer universe going by fluff.
Marneus Calgar? Cut him to ribbons and the dude barely survived. And it devoured the whole first company of the ultramarines, plus all their PDF buddies on the southern polar fortress of Maccrage, devoured a dozen worlds in the span of two months with Leviathan, led the initial invasions of the universe.... as well as led the Tyranid race in multiple conquests on any number of worlds/universes. We can't rightly say because they're history. Discounting hsi reported feats is basically saying "Sure, you've got this list of accomplishsments, but I haven't seen you do ANYTHING that means anything in my book. Go fight a space marine, even though it says here you kicked the Ultramarine Chapter Master's bucket around."
Also currently wrecking face in that Orc empire Kryptmann managed to direct them too.
The Tyranid race is ancient, they would have to be, and we don't know how long, or how far they have traveled. But they are here, and I assume the Swarmlord is not actually his full manifestation. Why would the embodiment of the entire Hive Mind's tactical and cunning wisdom be implanted in a Hive Tyrant no bigger than a regular one? Sure they make for imposing figures, but the fluff has seen them taken down easily,
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I mean, fifty bucks is on the line.
There's no rule that says I can't. Hive Fleet Hercual - 6760pts
Hazaak Dynasty - 3400 pts
Seraphon - 4600pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/15 19:39:00
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Furious Fire Dragon
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Grimgold wrote:Somebody already said the emperor, isn't that /thread? The guy could make a legion bend its knee against their will, defeated a full powered C'Tan that had started a cult on Mars, and killed the most powerful deamon primarch to have ever existed (post ascension Horus). The four chaos gods themselves could not best him.
As for living (maybe ambulatory would be a better word since we are kind of not sure on the emp), probably one of the daemon primarchs, them being unkillable and all.
He's not included in the conversation for that reason, same with the chaos gods. They are simply too powerful
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/15 22:35:37
Subject: Re:Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Well Kharn is an absolute beast in one on one combat so he's my bet.
A non primarch guy in the Horus heresy I'd have to go with Sigismund of the Imperial fists. He's an amazing duelist.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/16 08:09:58
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Grimgold wrote:Somebody already said the emperor, isn't that /thread? The guy could make a legion bend its knee against their will, defeated a full powered C'Tan that had started a cult on Mars, and killed the most powerful deamon primarch to have ever existed (post ascension Horus). The four chaos gods themselves could not best him.
As for living (maybe ambulatory would be a better word since we are kind of not sure on the emp), probably one of the daemon primarchs, them being unkillable and all.
But he didn't defeat a fully powered C'Tan. The latest Necron Codex has the Necrons fight against an escaped Shard of the Void Dragon they had in their captivity, so the Void Dragon clearly isn't fully powered if one of his shards has been in the possession of a Necron Dynasty all this time.
Additionally using the 'four gods themselves couldn't best him' is a weak argument since we know the Chaos Gods do not interact with the material universe in such a way. Otherwise, since the Eldar Empire and its Gods endure for an insanely long time during the existence of Khorne, Tzeentch and Nurgle, we'd have to say that "Khorne/Tzeentch/Nurgle couldn't best the Eldar Gods" and "The Chaos Gods can't best the Hive Mind/Gork (or possibly Mork)/The Tau and a thousand other things the Chaos Gods have been incapable of destroying thus far". The fact that the Chaos Gods never fought the Emperor personally doesn't translate into him being as powerful as them, its to do with the conceit of Warp Gods that they don't interact that way with the material universe.
Making an entire Legion bend knee also is a tough thing to use to determine any powerVpower ratio with other entities; the Cacodominus could control thirteen hundred star systems but no Space Marines (despite weaker psykers like Genestealer Cult Magus' being able to do so) and the Emperor couldn't use said powers on foes like Orks in the battle at Goro or against Gharkul Blackfang. Psychic clearly doesn't work on a strict linear system, understandably seeing as it originates from the Warp, and thus its power ratio based off one feat can't be exactly translated into hard rules for other feats.
Ultimately what the most powerful entity in 40k is will probably be impossible to determine based off current fluff, although Chaos Gods and the Hive Mind have perhaps the best chance of being the single most powerful entity, and I think sticking to mortal 1-on-1 fighters is a better bet than dragging up questions of the esoteric nature of the power wielded by the likes of the Emperor, Chaos Gods, Eldar Gods, Hive Mind and Gork (or possibly Mork).
With that then said I'd still say Lelith is the best 1-on-1 combatant who's mortal that we know of.
@Carnikang: Well Marneus did come for a rematch and beat it, didn't he? Also I don't recall the Swarmlord killing the entire first company alone...or devouring worlds alone. We're talking about strength in a one-on-one fight remember?
Also I'm not discounting his feats; just pointing out none of them involve significant victories in single-combat against a major foe. You're just listing worlds and such it assisted in devouring. That's not what we're discussing here I believe.
For example, stating 'currently wrecking face in that Orc empire Kryptmann managed to direct them too,' doesn't contain any evidence of significant one-on-one victories.
Also its fine to think the Swarmlord should be stronger, but we also need to talk about it in terms of what it has done in the fluff and, in fluff, the Swarmlord does not have a very impressive track record of one-on-one fights.
I mean, I think the Avatar of Khaine should be powerful, but that doesn't change that in fluff they are horribly weak.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/16 08:25:26
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Stealthy Sanctus Slipping in His Blade
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Anemone wrote:@Carnikang: Well Marneus did come for a rematch and beat it, didn't he? Also I don't recall the Swarmlord killing the entire first company alone...or devouring worlds alone. We're talking about strength in a one-on-one fight remember?
Also I'm not discounting his feats; just pointing out none of them involve significant victories in single-combat against a major foe. You're just listing worlds and such it assisted in devouring. That's not what we're discussing here I believe.
For example, stating 'currently wrecking face in that Orc empire Kryptmann managed to direct them too,' doesn't contain any evidence of significant one-on-one victories.
Also its fine to think the Swarmlord should be stronger, but we also need to talk about it in terms of what it has done in the fluff and, in fluff, the Swarmlord does not have a very impressive track record of one-on-one fights.
I mean, I think the Avatar of Khaine should be powerful, but that doesn't change that in fluff they are horribly weak.
I'll concede to that. I will say I'm salty about Calgar coming back after pansying out to space after Swarmy chewed on him. Then comes back for a rematch.
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There's no rule that says I can't. Hive Fleet Hercual - 6760pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/16 10:39:47
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Devastating Dark Reaper
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With the Avatar of Khaine, there is the Valedor book that sees Biel Tan's Avatar left alone on a hive fleet infested planet for days and then be found fighting until a mountain of tyranid corpses...
Although by that, Maugan Ra is the best - he solo'd a whole hive fleet!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/16 10:53:36
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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NG77 wrote:With the Avatar of Khaine, there is the Valedor book that sees Biel Tan's Avatar left alone on a hive fleet infested planet for days and then be found fighting until a mountain of tyranid corpses...
Although by that, Maugan Ra is the best - he solo'd a whole hive fleet!
It was a tendril, but the feat is still ridiculous nontheless. Maugan Ra is basically a walking meme.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/16 15:30:36
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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I wouldn't say the Swarmlord is wrecking face on Octaria (the planet the nids got diverted to). GeeDubs advanced the ork storyline a bit in Ghazzy''s supplement. Waaaaagh! Ghazzy showed up to reinforce the Octaria orks and succeeded on wiping out all the nids from that the tendril that was diverted there. The Orks are currently fixing up defences and fortifications as they expect another tendril to start another invasion. Or maybe the Swarm lord decided to bail out of the tendril that got diverted and kinda just lulz around in space till after its fleet it's hive ship's were destroyed and joined another incoming tendril cuz reasons. I don't know overly much about Nids and perhaps they could teleport the swarm lords dna and memories across space for other hive ships to use. Plausible at least for the memories. No mention of any Swarm lord on Octaria, just a mother of all mawlocs got a bit of attention before getting torn up by Ghazzy. Maybe it went to a different planet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/16 22:11:49
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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I wouldn't even consider Lucius, he's a bit of a Worf in the fluff prior to gaining the favor of Slaanesh.
Now, Nykona Sharrowkyn, he was a badass in melee and I would love to see rules for him in 30k.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/17 08:00:53
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Angelic Adepta Sororitas
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Carnikang wrote:
I'll concede to that. I will say I'm salty about Calgar coming back after pansying out to space after Swarmy chewed on him. Then comes back for a rematch.
Hey, for what its worth, I'm pretty salty about it too. And don't feel bad, the Swarmlord's still at least beaten Marneus once, that's a huge victory for any non-Space Marine Character. I mean I'm still salty about Eldrad losing to Artemis too.
I mean, personally, I'd envisage the Swarmlord as being stronger in combat than any Chapter Master, Lelith or Kharn just by stint of being a giant biological weapon engineered with the full resources of an enormously ancient alien intelligence, I'd imagine it and Greater Daemons (like the Avatar of Khaine) should be out of the league of mortals like Chapter Masters and Succubi, but...I don't write 40k fluff.
@NG77: Yeah but that's kinda like with the Swarmlord; it just beat a bunch of mooks. Anyone can beat a bunch of mooks. Marneus held an entire Waaagh!!! up by himself. The Avatar of Khaine really is just a joke in the fluff and it doesn't seem like that status will be changed anytime soon.
Maugan Ra, I will agree, is by far and away the most badass Eldar in fluff.
@ProwlerPC: Yeah the Swarmlord wasn't mentioned to be on Octaria but I'd imagine its in the system fighting Orks *shrugs* Honestly, because of how the Tyranid are, I'd really love a reveal that the Swarmlord can be duplicated. A reveal sort of like Meta-Cooler's from Dragon Ball Z; "The Hive Mind instantly corrects any fault in my design even if that fault is just that I only have one body!" and then the enemy has to deal with an army of Swarmlords.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/10/17 12:19:55
Subject: Best 1-on-1 combatant in all of 40K lore
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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King Pariah wrote:I wouldn't even consider Lucius, he's a bit of a Worf in the fluff prior to gaining the favor of Slaanesh.
Lucius's whole schtick depends on him being beaten so it's unsurprising really.
Anemone wrote:
I mean, personally, I'd envisage the Swarmlord as being stronger in combat than any Chapter Master, Lelith or Kharn just by stint of being a giant biological weapon engineered with the full resources of an enormously ancient alien intelligence, I'd imagine it and Greater Daemons (like the Avatar of Khaine) should be out of the league of mortals like Chapter Masters and Succubi, but...I don't write 40k fluff.
Personally I see the Swarmlord as mainly being the strategist. A lot of emphasis is placed on it being smarter than... the Hive Mind? Whatever directs Tyranids normally. It can stab people up as well (like every great general other than Creed in 40K it seems) but I feel like it focusses on being a clever clogs. After all, the Hive Mind can just use bio-titans for actually stomping stuff.
Speaking of bio-titans, are we excluding them?
Come to think of it, the Bloodtide Bloodthirster Ka'jagga'nath was probably the most powerful Daemon I've read about. Singlehandedly turns a planet insane (or explodes others) and is so powerful the Grey Knights have to use extra protection? How many beings could resist the Bloodtide?
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