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 oldzoggy wrote:
When he posts something new and true, Then I am going to post an excuse to the user with 30 post, that until now only has posted rumors that are quite safe and removed all falls hoods by edits.

I just say don't get your hopes up, only based on Tyranid607's posts

Yeah, because that Ultramarine bundle he predicted dropping in the middle of the Genestealer Cult release was clearly a safe rumor.

oldzoggy wrote:When he posts something new and true, Then I am going to post an excuse to the user with 30 post, that until now only has posted rumors that are quite safe and removed all falls hoods by edits.

I just say don't get your hopes up, only based on Tyranid607's posts

And it's so easy to be a negative nancy on the internet and call out people as being false. Remember if you have nothing nice to say, then don't say it at all. We are all big boys and girls we don't need someone telling us someone is a liar. We can make that decision for ourselves.

What do you want to be? A certain poster on Dakka who has to come on and "thump" on their chest proclaiming they where right? What you want to win "internet of the day" or some buttons because you were correct?

Let us enjoy what he says. If he is wrong he is wrong. No big deal. If he is right, he is right and did us a favour which I appreciate either way.



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Also way to go and if we have a new user to Dakka make him/her feel welcome.

It's gak like that causes people who know things to become reluctant to even post it.

gungo wrote:

 Motograter wrote:
The gs cult datacards are the last of the datacards. No more updates after these. Sign 8th wont use datacards?

One can hope because this sounds like the death of the random freakin table roll for everything. My guess is this means GW is trying to make games faster by removing some of the excessive setup time and random riling elements.

You still roll for table side, you would still roll for objectives, and still roll for first turn/ deploy and still roll for night fighting.
This would change nothing for rolling.
Unless you were too lazy to own the cards and had people wait on you to roll your cards every turn.

Plus this does not effect the generic deck or the new deck.

So, the Cult Ambush rule looks like a disappointment, as random rules in general are. 33% chance of derp table edges. 33% chance of your standard Tyranid PICABOO PLEASE SHOOT ME!. And only a 1/6 chance to actually assault when the unit arrives. Which means for it to be effective you actually need shooty units to build a viable reserve based army around, as every other codex in 40K history and not the meta changing army hinted by the developers. And chances are that the units with 'Cult Ambush' rule aren't of the shooty kind... Tau will laugh it off the table.

Not looking rosy at this point. Of course, there could be things in the codex that gives + to the roll on the chart.

 Kanluwen wrote:

streamdragon wrote:So the Cult Neophyte Hybrid Squad is 10 Cadian Shock Troops, a Heavy Weapon Team and the Cult Upgrade sprue: $45 bucks.

Heavy Weapons Teams are normally not individually available, only in groups of 3. So we will look at 3 GSCNHS squads at $135.

Cadian Shock Troops Squad: $29
x3: $87
Cadian Heavy Weapon Team: $39.50
+$87
$126.50

$135 for GSC
$126.50 for AM


So for less than $10 bucks ($8.50) you're getting 3(!) GSC Upgrade Sprues. (<$3 per sprue) That is a damn good deal to me.


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GSC Leman Russ Battle Tank: $55
AM Leman Russ Battle Tank: $49.50

So now the sprue costs $5.50; not so great.

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GSC Armoured Claw: $55
AM Chimera: $37.25
AM Cadians: $29
AM Total: $66.25

So the Armoured Claw Team is actually CHEAPER than the comparable AM squads! You're getting the GSC Upgrade Sprue for (effectively) NEGATIVE $11.25!

Guess I know what I'm ordering!

Heavy Weapons Teams are available by themselves. They're $16 USD, up from the original price of $10 when they released waaaaay back in the day, and Direct Only.

29+16+37.25+13.50=$95.75

The upgrade sprue, if sold separately, would be $13.50(they've done upgrade sprue prices as static no matter the content for Marines, so it would be quite odd to see the price shifted for GSC).
The Deathwatch stuff was sold more or less at cost with the upgrade frames being discounted as well.

ADDITIONALLY, Chimeras do not include Track Guards anymore. That requires you to purchase the "Astra Militarum Tank Accessories" pack which is $15 by itself. Plan accordingly, as it's a Direct Only item.

The Armoured Claw Team doesn't come with a Heavy Weapon Team according to the WD description (at least it neither shows nor mentions it), so that's still a great deal for GSC and even AM players.

But yeah, 29 + 16 for the Heavy Weapon squad = $45, making the GSC FREE(!) in the Neophyte Squad. Even AM players should be buying that bundle and just eBaying the GSC Upgrade Sprue (or using the bits to trophy up their AM squads!).

Kind of crazy. I don't know if GW will be releasing the GSC upgrade sprue on its own, but if they do I suspect it will be about the same time these bundles vanish from stores.

 N.I.B. wrote:
So, the Cult Ambush rule looks like a disappointment, as random rules in general are. 33% chance of derp table edges. 33% chance of your standard Tyranid PICABOO PLEASE SHOOT ME!. And only a 1/6 chance to actually assault when the unit arrives. Which means for it to be effective you actually need shooty units to build a viable reserve based army around, as every other codex in 40K history and not the meta changing army hinted by the developers. And chances are that the units with 'Cult Ambush' rule aren't of the shooty kind... Tau will laugh it off the table.

Not looking rosy at this point. Of course, there could be things in the codex that gives + to the roll on the chart.

I'll be surprised if the purestrain formation doesn't give something like a re-roll on this chart.

But honestly, I don't think it's bad. It's a 1 in 6 chance of your reserves acting normally, otherwise it's either free Outflank or various best-of-both crossovers between Infiltrate and Deep Strike. Combined with the very cheap troop units we're going to see I think we'll get enough rolls on this table during a game for it to pay off well.

Davor wrote:

oldzoggy wrote:When he posts something new and true, Then I am going to post an excuse to the user with 30 post, that until now only has posted rumors that are quite safe and removed all falls hoods by edits.

I just say don't get your hopes up, only based on Tyranid607's posts

And it's so easy to be a negative nancy on the internet and call out people as being false. Remember if you have nothing nice to say, then don't say it at all. We are all big boys and girls we don't need someone telling us someone is a liar. We can make that decision for ourselves.

What do you want to be? A certain poster on Dakka who has to come on and "thump" on their chest proclaiming they where right? What you want to win "internet of the day" or some buttons because you were correct?

Let us enjoy what he says. If he is wrong he is wrong. No big deal. If he is right, he is right and did us a favour which I appreciate either way.


Also way to go and if we have a new user to Dakka make him/her feel welcome.

Do be considerate of rule no.1, unlike many others on this thread who have not.

I always have my doubts about people who conveniently pop up in these kinds of thread, with minimal post history and evidence. However, I would lean towards his information as being mostly accurate seeing what I have seen now.

Still, take it with a grain of salt people.

Also, this information is pretty pointless to everyone anyway - you won't even have the opportunity to play the new faction until release day, and if you preordered all your gear, well... you can only be responsible for that if the Codex is gak, and you only bought it for play rather than nostalgia or whatever.

Perhaps I don't understand these rumour threads properly, but outside of model and lore discussion, I struggle to see the significance or benefit of talking about Codex rules before their release.

 gorgon wrote:
It's gak like that causes people who know things to become reluctant to even post it.

If I had certain facts about something, or new information, then I'd post it, but I'd always hold back on possibly false information, or at least add a disclaimer that I'm unsure, which Tyranid607 did do a few pages back. I think people take rumour too seriously sometimes, which then leads to annoying hype and disappointment. Unless confirmed in solid pictorial or similar form, people should try not to get so heated or exited about these things.

G.A

 N.I.B. wrote:
So, the Cult Ambush rule looks like a disappointment, as random rules in general are. 33% chance of derp table edges. 33% chance of your standard Tyranid PICABOO PLEASE SHOOT ME!. And only a 1/6 chance to actually assault when the unit arrives. Which means for it to be effective you actually need shooty units to build a viable reserve based army around, as every other codex in 40K history and not the meta changing army hinted by the developers. And chances are that the units with 'Cult Ambush' rule aren't of the shooty kind... Tau will laugh it off the table.

Not looking rosy at this point. Of course, there could be things in the codex that gives + to the roll on the chart.

I'll bet you one armless Abaddon that one or more formations have the ability to manipulate rolls on the Cult Ambush chart.

 N.I.B. wrote:
So, the Cult Ambush rule looks like a disappointment, as random rules in general are. 33% chance of derp table edges. 33% chance of your standard Tyranid PICABOO PLEASE SHOOT ME!. And only a 1/6 chance to actually assault when the unit arrives. Which means for it to be effective you actually need shooty units to build a viable reserve based army around, as every other codex in 40K history and not the meta changing army hinted by the developers. And chances are that the units with 'Cult Ambush' rule aren't of the shooty kind... Tau will laugh it off the table.

Not looking rosy at this point. Of course, there could be things in the codex that gives + to the roll on the chart.

I see it in an entirely different light. Genestealer Cult have some incredibly potent and cheap Troops choices in the form of the Acolyte Hybrids. Being able to freely take those units off the board so that they can't be harmed then have a 66% chance of popping up right in front of the enemy army will make for a lot of guaranteed turn three charges. Heck, even rolling a 2 on that chart is still good as it lets you perform a normal Outflank and the unit is guaranteed to pop up on turn two. This lets you protect your nasty assault units before they get to the front-line and save them at least a turn or two of trying to get into position to possibly charge. It also makes it really easy for the army to grab objectives! Even despite how random the rule is, letting your units go into ongoing reserves on turn one and be guaranteed to pop up turn two and 5/6 results let them arrive very close to enemy units or even just far away from your own deployment zone offers a lot of tactical flexibility.

Besides, if you don't like the rule and what it can do for your army, just take Goliaths instead; I hear assault units love open-topped transports

On the other hand if someone is leaking pre-production info it's possible they would have something to lose (like a job) by being traceable so creating a new 'disposable' account might seem prudent, no?

 streamdragon wrote:

The Armoured Claw Team doesn't come with a Heavy Weapon Team according to the WD description (at least it neither shows nor mentions it), so that's still a great deal for GSC and even AM players.

But yeah, 29 + 16 for the Heavy Weapon squad = $45, making the GSC FREE(!) in the Neophyte Squad. Even AM players should be buying that bundle and just eBaying the GSC Upgrade Sprue (or using the bits to trophy up their AM squads!).

Kind of crazy. I don't know if GW will be releasing the GSC upgrade sprue on its own, but if they do I suspect it will be about the same time these bundles vanish from stores.

That one is my bad, I'm still waking up.

I was meaning that at the least, the Neophyte Squad is a better deal than most people know.

 Mymearan wrote:

 N.I.B. wrote:
So, the Cult Ambush rule looks like a disappointment, as random rules in general are. 33% chance of derp table edges. 33% chance of your standard Tyranid PICABOO PLEASE SHOOT ME!. And only a 1/6 chance to actually assault when the unit arrives. Which means for it to be effective you actually need shooty units to build a viable reserve based army around, as every other codex in 40K history and not the meta changing army hinted by the developers. And chances are that the units with 'Cult Ambush' rule aren't of the shooty kind... Tau will laugh it off the table.

Not looking rosy at this point. Of course, there could be things in the codex that gives + to the roll on the chart.

I'll bet you one armless Abaddon that one or more formations have the ability to manipulate rolls on the Cult Ambush chart.

Agreed.
Most likely Warlord Trait as well.
Let people be negative, it is the trendy thing to do on the interwebs.

I don't even really understand the negativity towards the cult ambush rule. Having only a 1/6 chance of getting a guaranteed and safe turn two charge doesn't instantly invalidate the incredible flexibility and tactical options the rule gives you.

I say this as someone that had to put up with freaking Swooping Hawks pre-grenade nerf, mind you. Ugh.

Didn't see this posted, but apologies if it's been put up already . Goliath is pretty darn cheap

From natfka/bols:

Goliath rules:

 xttz wrote:

 N.I.B. wrote:
So, the Cult Ambush rule looks like a disappointment, as random rules in general are. 33% chance of derp table edges. 33% chance of your standard Tyranid PICABOO PLEASE SHOOT ME!. And only a 1/6 chance to actually assault when the unit arrives. Which means for it to be effective you actually need shooty units to build a viable reserve based army around, as every other codex in 40K history and not the meta changing army hinted by the developers. And chances are that the units with 'Cult Ambush' rule aren't of the shooty kind... Tau will laugh it off the table.

Not looking rosy at this point. Of course, there could be things in the codex that gives + to the roll on the chart.

I'll be surprised if the purestrain formation doesn't give something like a re-roll on this chart.

But honestly, I don't think it's bad. It's a 1 in 6 chance of your reserves acting normally, otherwise it's either free Outflank or various best-of-both crossovers between Infiltrate and Deep Strike. Combined with the very cheap troop units we're going to see I think we'll get enough rolls on this table during a game for it to pay off well.

True, there's a lot of things we don't know yet and the Devil's in the details. IIRC only units with Infiltrate get the Cult Ambush rule. Which can be many units, which would be great! Or only Genestealers, which would suck.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:

The Armoured Claw Team doesn't come with a Heavy Weapon Team according to the WD description (at least it neither shows nor mentions it), so that's still a great deal for GSC and even AM players.

But yeah, 29 + 16 for the Heavy Weapon squad = $45, making the GSC FREE(!) in the Neophyte Squad. Even AM players should be buying that bundle and just eBaying the GSC Upgrade Sprue (or using the bits to trophy up their AM squads!).

Kind of crazy. I don't know if GW will be releasing the GSC upgrade sprue on its own, but if they do I suspect it will be about the same time these bundles vanish from stores.

That one is my bad, I'm still waking up.

I was meaning that at the least, the Neophyte Squad is a better deal than most people know.

Oh I definitely agree and was just building off what you said. (You aren't the first one to suggest the AC comes with a HWT either. )

Both the Neophyte Squad and the Armoured Claw are amazing deals. I never ended up buying the Deathwatch board game, so I will be starting my GSC almost from scratch (I have an old Cadian Armoured Fist box I never assembled). So these bundles are great deals for me! It's a great change from the former "these are basically the same thing but we're marking up the new one 20% because reasons" pricing we used to see.

Chikout wrote:
Is this pic clear enough? Looks like 4 crew.

Is that a cognisstubber? or will all Pintle mount stubbers have a goofy optic no one can see through?

 Mr_Rose wrote:
On the other hand if someone is leaking pre-production info it's possible they would have something to lose (like a job) by being traceable so creating a new 'disposable' account might seem prudent, no?

That I completely understand.. I would never leak anything with a non disposable user behind some serious protection of a one time internet connection.
So that's not the issue for me, it only makes me just a bit skeptical . Its that he or she started to remove past predictions as soon as they became less likely that makes me doubt the validity of this source.


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It seems very strange to actually have the book, start leaking vague and non interesting things like Ap's of weapons etc. Only to remove them later and come up with the shocking stuff later on when most other players can kinda piece them together from what is out there.

The most natural reaction of a players tumbling on something would be to immediately release things like army and detachment specific rules wouldn't it ?

Cultists entering table from ongoing reserves gain d6 models lost previously in the battle. Not sure if it works with purestrains or aberrants. I read that on the fuzzy BOLs video. It's a command benefit of the cult insurrection decurion.

Surprised nobody else has mentioned it.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Cultists entering table from ongoing reserves gain d6 models lost previously in the battle. Not sure if it works with purestrains or aberrants. I read that on the fuzzy BOLs video. It's a command benefit of the cult insurrection decurion.

Surprised nobody else has mentioned it.

That's really damn good. Say your opponent gets first turn. They kill some of your infantry but perhaps not the whole unit because you cower in cover. Your turn, you jump into reserves and keep the unit alive. Your next turn, the unit re-appears and is highly likely (5/6 results let you pop up either in or near your opponents' deployment zone) to appear on an objective you need to take or close to the enemy to set up a next turn assault (or an assault on that turn if you're lucky) while also healing D6 models. The rule is also funny because as long as your units don't flee the board you can essentially keep recycling them and refreshing their numbers to win the objective game or just generally denying victory points. Also another funny idea; an assault unit is closing on your lines, then your slower units instantly disappear and your faster units just dance around them. Won't work in every game obviously but I'm looking forward to seeing the shenanigans people pull off with the army.

 oldzoggy wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
On the other hand if someone is leaking pre-production info it's possible they would have something to lose (like a job) by being traceable so creating a new 'disposable' account might seem prudent, no?

That I completely understand.. I would never leak anything with a non disposable user behind some serious protection of a one time internet connection.
So that's not the issue for me, it only makes me just a bit skeptical . Its that he or she started to remove past predictions as soon as they became less likely that makes me doubt the validity of this source.


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It seems very strange to actually have the book, start leaking vague and non interesting things like Ap's of weapons etc. Only to remove them later and come up with the shocking stuff later on when most other players can kinda piece them together from what is out there.

The most natural reaction of a players tumbling on something would be to immediately release things like army and detachment specific rules wouldn't it ?

I have a quick look at the codex at first, I don't really spend time on the detail of formation and special rules
I just have time to see what new units are included and how many pts they are before.
But you guys want more detail of the dex , as I promised I will give out the detail now
It is totally alright if you think I am trolling around.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Motograter wrote:

 BloodGrin wrote:

 Motograter wrote:
The gs cult datacards are the last of the datacards. No more updates after these. Sign 8th wont use datacards?

Nope, sign that there will be a tiny update and a chance for GW to sell us new ones.

Not really. None of the aos updated forces came with cards when they had them before.

To be fair, the only things we had before were spell lores with WHFB.

Cards for the various factions in 40k are Tactical Objectives and unique lores as well.

This is something I wanted to bring back up.

So, there's a bunch of datacard sets now listed as "Last Chance to Buy".
The complete listing is:
Raven Guard
White Scars
Farsight Enclaves
Khorne Daemonkin
Harlequin
Imperial Knights(No Longer Available)
Cadians
Skitarii
Cult Mechanicus
Space Marines
Craftworld Eldar(No Longer Available)
Dark Angels

Out of all of those, you have three sets which came bundled with psychic powers as part of them(Harlequin, Craftworld Eldar, and Dark Angels).
You have another four sets(Raven Guard, White Scars, Farsight Enclaves, and Cadians) with Warlord traits.
Space Marines detailed Chapter Tactics and Combat Doctrines with their cards, Daemonkin did the "Blood for the Blood God!" rewards, Knights did the Heirlooms of the Knightly Houses, and Skitarii did the Doctrina Imperatives while Cult Mechanicus did the Canticles of the Omnissiah.

Deathwatch and Genestealer Cults are, currently, the only two sets of cards not marked as "While Stocks Last" on the US webstore.

There is now rumor flying around that this means datacards are going away with the new edition...but if that were the case, we wouldn't have seen cards released for those two period, would we?

Hey mate, what are the stats on weapons like the Seismic Cannon, Webber Gun and the other weapons the Goliaths' can use? Can all Genestealer Cult infantry units innately make use of the ambush and into the shadows rules (or whatever it's called) or only certain units or in certain detachments? What does the Iconward do? What is the difference between Hybrid Metamorphs and Acolyte Hybrids? Are Acolyte Hybrids like the ones in Deathwatch: Overkill or can they be outfitted to be that way (i.e. Fearless). Cheers!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Motograter wrote:

 BloodGrin wrote:

 Motograter wrote:
The gs cult datacards are the last of the datacards. No more updates after these. Sign 8th wont use datacards?

Nope, sign that there will be a tiny update and a chance for GW to sell us new ones.

Not really. None of the aos updated forces came with cards when they had them before.

To be fair, the only things we had before were spell lores with WHFB.

Cards for the various factions in 40k are Tactical Objectives and unique lores as well.

This is something I wanted to bring back up.

So, there's a bunch of datacard sets now listed as "Last Chance to Buy".
The complete listing is:
Raven Guard
White Scars
Farsight Enclaves
Khorne Daemonkin
Harlequin
Imperial Knights(No Longer Available)
Cadians
Skitarii
Cult Mechanicus
Space Marines
Craftworld Eldar(No Longer Available)
Dark Angels

Out of all of those, you have three sets which came bundled with psychic powers as part of them(Harlequin, Craftworld Eldar, and Dark Angels).
You have another four sets(Raven Guard, White Scars, Farsight Enclaves, and Cadians) with Warlord traits.
Space Marines detailed Chapter Tactics and Combat Doctrines with their cards, Daemonkin did the "Blood for the Blood God!" rewards, Knights did the Heirlooms of the Knightly Houses, and Skitarii did the Doctrina Imperatives while Cult Mechanicus did the Canticles of the Omnissiah.

Deathwatch and Genestealer Cults are, currently, the only two sets of cards not marked as "While Stocks Last" on the US webstore.

There is now rumor flying around that this means datacards are going away with the new edition...but if that were the case, we wouldn't have seen cards released for those two period, would we?

as far as I know datacard have always been limited, so I'm not sure if you should read to much in it

terry wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


There is now rumor flying around that this means datacards are going away with the new edition...but if that were the case, we wouldn't have seen cards released for those two period, would we?

as far as I know datacard have always been limited, so I'm not sure if you should read to much in it

That's the point I'm trying to get across actually.

All of those cards, barring the two new sets, are listed as "Last Chance to Buy"...but some of them have effectively been sold out for months, if not years in the case of Craftworld Eldar.

I probably missed it and I'm too lazy to read through all the pages ... I think it's time to start a new army (that I'll never finish painting).

So, is there a post that's got all the info from what's in the book? Like, which units are there gonna be (besides what's on the GW site right now), and which ones are Troops or HQ or whatever? Can you use any tyranid models? Assuming Genestealers, but anything else? I'd like to buy what I need to get started in 1 fell swoop, would be great if I could mix in some of my old nids.

 gorgon wrote:
It's gak like that causes people who know things to become reluctant to even post it.

And it's the unquestioning "Schrodinger's Rumour" attitude some wish to encourage that's given birth to clickbait factories like BoLS and Naffy.

If people are so fragile they can't deal with somebody doubting their at-that-time unverifiable information until they build up a rep for honesty and accuracy, you have to wonder how they've managed to survive in life with such a tissue-thin skin.

People being arses is another matter, but skepticism isn't a bad thing and that alone doesn't make you an arse.

Tyranid607 wrote:

I have a quick look at the codex at first, I don't really spend time on the detail of formation and special rules
I just have time to see what new units are included and how many pts they are before.
But you guys want more detail of the dex , as I promised I will give out the detail now
It is totally alright if you think I am trolling around.

Thank you for doing this

 Kanluwen wrote:
There is now rumor flying around that this means datacards are going away with the new edition...but if that were the case, we wouldn't have seen cards released for those two period, would we?

If they'd sell and players could use them for the next 9(?) months...why not?

Edit: Note that I agree that people shouldn't read too much into the while stocks last thing.