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 generalchaos34 wrote:
The only question I have is the Goliath an exclusive GSC unit or can the Guard borrow it too? They stole our stuff its rightfully so that we can steal theirs right?

I can't tell if you're trolling or not.

Did we ever get the pointsfor the Iconward? I've read the whole thread,and while I see the rules, Ican;t find the points. Maybe I'm missing it?

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
I am so hyped for this.

So hyped I'm selling all my remaining nids to go mono-cult. If anyone ever picks up to buy (£1400 of nids for £500).

Only keeping the Genestealers...

And my word, I am in love with this. All of this. The miniatures just look so fun to paint. The rag tag appearance will mesh will with throwing in the odd FW renegade or Chaos Cultist (just paint the chaos star red, call yourself the cult of the Crimson Halo, have fluff about the mining world being in the system of a red star....)

SO MUCH HYPE.

I would keep some flyrants to fill some hole in the codex. Allies one Flyrant to deal with anti air list and a few flying daemons for 245 is a good idea.

Matched with Tyranids I have seen some crazy ideas that would work well. Units of give guard help GSC a lot popping rhinos to get the yummy insides and worrying IK.

Deathstars will be a issue with this army so reconsider that before getting rid of you Tyranids. Tyranids fill a few of the Big wholes in this codex.






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 AntonNarvaez wrote:
Did we ever get the pointsfor the Iconward? I've read the whole thread,and while I see the rules, Ican;t find the points. Maybe I'm missing it?

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 generalchaos34 wrote:
The only question I have is the Goliath an exclusive GSC unit or can the Guard borrow it too? They stole our stuff its rightfully so that we can steal theirs right?

It's not a military grade vehicle, so no, I highly doubt it.

Orks have been stealing our tanks for ages now, but I don't really fancy nicking a Trukk back for my fresh company.

 tetrisphreak wrote:
Vs targets of inopportune durability you do what nids do - tie them up or move block them with cheap fodder. With summoning as one of the potential powers as well as everything being able to pop up "anywhere" the objective games are going to be very easy for GSC. Get kill points off of the supporting elements of the enemy force and then if you have no recourse, circle the enemy deathstar en masse and just go for it. Furious charge, rage, preferred enemy, bonus WS, rending (so much rending) we have the tools to fight back.

I think this where Tyranids will fill some of the wholes in the GSC codex. Flyrants are good at filling the shooting that's lacking in the army. I also see Hive Guard being of great use as well with a Malanthrope. High strength shooting from the Hive guard and tyrants will be a potent combo with the GSC point wise it is not that expensive. For 700 points you can have a fir base that has like 60 GSC to still come in and play havoc. Should be fun.

shadowfinder wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
I am so hyped for this.

So hyped I'm selling all my remaining nids to go mono-cult. If anyone ever picks up to buy (£1400 of nids for £500).

Only keeping the Genestealers...

And my word, I am in love with this. All of this. The miniatures just look so fun to paint. The rag tag appearance will mesh will with throwing in the odd FW renegade or Chaos Cultist (just paint the chaos star red, call yourself the cult of the Crimson Halo, have fluff about the mining world being in the system of a red star....)

SO MUCH HYPE.

I would keep some flyrants to fill some hole in the codex. Allies one Flyrant to deal with anti air list and a few flying daemons for 245 is a good idea.

Matched with Tyranids I have seen some crazy ideas that would work well. Units of give guard help GSC a lot popping rhinos to get the yummy insides and worrying IK.

Deathstars will be a issue with this army so reconsider that before getting rid of you Tyranids. Tyranids fill a few of the Big wholes in this codex.

Nope. End of the day the Tyranids are getting the chop. All 4k odd points that are remaining. Would consider shipping to the US but postage would be a bit steep but still - if you want Nearly £1400 of 'nids with Codex, Shield of Baal hardbacks and IA 4 for less than a third retail do let me know

To be fair I'm more looking at the AM allies more than Tyranid allies. Part of me feels a minimal AM force org consisting of Veterans and Valks or other FW flyers could well be fun and again lend more individuality in modelling. I much prefer GSC stuff for appearance, background and opportunities plus the playstyle seems so much more fun!

 Hulksmash wrote:
I have 76 acolytes, 52 neophytes, 12 aberrants, 16 genestealers, 3 magus, 2 primus, and 2 patriarchs and I still feel light on models. It's crazy but I think I need another 24 acolyte/metomorphs and probably 24 more genestealers. Lordy...

Yeah I have about 30 genestealers plus the space hulk gene stealers and I have no doubt I will use more than that at some point.....acolytes are also going to be a thing that I need a ton more of. The 1850 list I just threw together has 55 and the only reason that it doesn't have more is because I'm running two full 20 man squads of stealers as well as 5 HQ choices.


We should really start some sort of trading thread dedicated to the gene stealer cult half of deathwatch: overkill. I bet some people have models they don't want for their lists and would trade for ones that they do.

Is the genestealer only auxiliary choice a formation? My guess is no, but I'm curious. I'd like to use it to take the new genestealers with my Tyranids

Is Shadow Skulkers a formation? What are it's bonuses?

Thanks!

WAIT WAIT WAIT.

Infiltration happens during deployment, yes?

This means that units that infiltrate do not count as having moved during the movement phase in turn 1 of your turn.

THIS MEANS that you can roll to see what happens on your cult ambush table turn one, and if it doesn't work out? RETURN TO THE SHADOWS!


Someone please tell me whether this works or not. I am drooling.


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bladeace wrote:
Is the genestealer only auxiliary choice a formation? My guess is no, but I'm curious. I'd like to use it to take the new genestealers with my Tyranids

Is Shadow Skulkers a formation? What are it's bonuses?

Thanks!

Basically if it has a page number, it's a stand-alone formation. Just take the first curse formation and profit man!

 luke1705 wrote:
WAIT WAIT WAIT.

Infiltration happens during deployment, yes?

This means that units that infiltrate do not count as having moved during the movement phase in turn 1 of your turn.

THIS MEANS that you can roll to see what happens on your cult ambush table turn one, and if it doesn't work out? RETURN TO THE SHADOWS!


Someone please tell me whether this works or not. I am drooling.


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bladeace wrote:
Is the genestealer only auxiliary choice a formation? My guess is no, but I'm curious. I'd like to use it to take the new genestealers with my Tyranids

Is Shadow Skulkers a formation? What are it's bonuses?

Thanks!

Basically if it has a page number, it's a stand-alone formation. Just take the first curse formation and profit man!

Yeah, deploy the entire force with cult ambush andvany that get bad position rolls can vanish into the shadows on turn 1

I just discovered this.

I am elated and upset at the same time.

Elated because Steeler cult!

Upset. I got out of 40k a year ago and gave my giant cult army full of old oop models away. But at least he will appreciate it and get some use out of it.

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:
WAIT WAIT WAIT.

Infiltration happens during deployment, yes?

This means that units that infiltrate do not count as having moved during the movement phase in turn 1 of your turn.

THIS MEANS that you can roll to see what happens on your cult ambush table turn one, and if it doesn't work out? RETURN TO THE SHADOWS!


Someone please tell me whether this works or not. I am drooling.


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bladeace wrote:
Is the genestealer only auxiliary choice a formation? My guess is no, but I'm curious. I'd like to use it to take the new genestealers with my Tyranids

Is Shadow Skulkers a formation? What are it's bonuses?

Thanks!

Basically if it has a page number, it's a stand-alone formation. Just take the first curse formation and profit man!

Yeah, deploy the entire force with cult ambush andvany that get bad position rolls can vanish into the shadows on turn 1

Unless you don't get the first turn. Then any units in a poor position are going to be eradicated wholesale.

 radarbabyeater wrote:

 tetrisphreak wrote:

 luke1705 wrote:
WAIT WAIT WAIT.

Infiltration happens during deployment, yes?

This means that units that infiltrate do not count as having moved during the movement phase in turn 1 of your turn.

THIS MEANS that you can roll to see what happens on your cult ambush table turn one, and if it doesn't work out? RETURN TO THE SHADOWS!


Someone please tell me whether this works or not. I am drooling.


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bladeace wrote:
Is the genestealer only auxiliary choice a formation? My guess is no, but I'm curious. I'd like to use it to take the new genestealers with my Tyranids

Is Shadow Skulkers a formation? What are it's bonuses?

Thanks!

Basically if it has a page number, it's a stand-alone formation. Just take the first curse formation and profit man!

Yeah, deploy the entire force with cult ambush andvany that get bad position rolls can vanish into the shadows on turn 1

Unless you don't get the first turn. Then any units in a poor position are going to be eradicated wholesale.

But you should know that with nearly 90 percent certainty and infiltrate accordingly. Also, shrouded is great. and for the stealers, stealth plus shrouded is great. Also, night fight OP 50% of the time

Tyranid607 wrote:
I wounder if the unquestioning loyalty auto pass look out sir if in cc too or have to roll for look out sir in cc

That ally rule system makes one wonder. GC is ally of convenience with tyranids and astra militarum. Doesn't say anything about how those two will be though...While RAI I think intention is all 3 are happy allies(AM guys being basically members of GC right? Which means hive controlled) doesn't RAW mean that tyranids and AM would be CTA allies?

You figure each out on the matrix, and act accordingly.

GC and AM get on, GC and Nids get on, AM and Nids don't get on.

So, a quick question for anyone that has seen the codex:

I currently have about 45 genestealers (OLD early 3rd edition ones I got in a trade) and a broodlord. I also have a ton of Imperial Guard.

Hypothetically, if I wanted to make a Cult army with minimal effort, I could just get a couple more character models, some mutant-cult guys (of whatever variation), and possibly a Goliath, and have a decently effective army, right?

 cuda1179 wrote:
So, a quick question for anyone that has seen the codex:

I currently have about 45 genestealers (OLD early 3rd edition ones I got in a trade) and a broodlord. I also have a ton of Imperial Guard.

Hypothetically, if I wanted to make a Cult army with minimal effort, I could just get a couple more character models, some mutant-cult guys (of whatever variation), and possibly a Goliath, and have a decently effective army, right?

Yes as long as you don't mind pretending that they have different weapons or paying the extra points for the "guard" weapons a posed to the cult weapons if you want to go wysiwyg.

 radarbabyeater wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:
The only question I have is the Goliath an exclusive GSC unit or can the Guard borrow it too? They stole our stuff its rightfully so that we can steal theirs right?

I can't tell if you're trolling or not.

No trolling, i like the look of the model and my
ogryns would like an open topped transport to play in

 generalchaos34 wrote:

 radarbabyeater wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:
The only question I have is the Goliath an exclusive GSC unit or can the Guard borrow it too? They stole our stuff its rightfully so that we can steal theirs right?

I can't tell if you're trolling or not.

No trolling, i like the look of the model and my
ogryns would like an open topped transport to play in

Do we know the ally rules yet? If IG and GSK can ally you can do something, maybe count those Ogryn as Abarants or whatever.

 generalchaos34 wrote:

 radarbabyeater wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:
The only question I have is the Goliath an exclusive GSC unit or can the Guard borrow it too? They stole our stuff its rightfully so that we can steal theirs right?

I can't tell if you're trolling or not.

No trolling, i like the look of the model and my
ogryns would like an open topped transport to play in

TBH the goliath looks more or less what people wanted the Taurox to look like.

I was thinking of useing them as counts-as Taurox, But if I could just actually use them in IG that would be awesome.

 radarbabyeater wrote:

No trolling, i like the look of the model and my
ogryns would like an open topped transport to play in

Ideally, of course, Ogryns would like something a bit bigger, especially since they went from Bulky to Very Bulky in the latest book. Gorgons is where it's at.

To go with the whole theme of a mining colony that's been overrun, I was wondering what vehicles would be good to proxy as AM Chimera's and Leman Russ', to give something which looks more like a converted industrial vehicle than something from the AM which looks like every other AM vehicle, just with some iconography tacked on.

I had been thinking perhaps Puppets War's stuff would be good, their large brick like APC and other tracked hulls and vehicles, but they're a little too smooth.

However Ramshackle Games, a company I had been interested in but never known where I might use their stuff, has great vehicles that would fit in nicely with the Goliath. The Battle Dog or Pug would be great as Leman Russ tanks (I'd probably choose the Pug and convert a turret together myself for it), and the Rhebok as a Chimera, with the option to make it into a Hellhound if you choose AM as allies.

For the AM soldier converts, I am more likely to use the Forgeworld Renegades as troops, with Victoria Miniatures legs for them, rather than just Cadians with the added sprue parts tacked on. Thought to have it so the soldiers are more equipped for hazardous outside work (hence the masks and airtanks), and one day they brought something back to the base that they shouldn't have...

Dammit GW, I was well clear of 40k, and now you drag me back in!!!

Have genestealer been change to different base sizes? haven't used any of mine since 5th ed, So just wondering what to do with my 50+ stealers.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Whoever was responsible for this book definitely has their head screwed on straight. Definitely a far cry from Angel's Blade.

Phil Kelly and another guy whose name escapes me (the one with the personal Space Wolves army).

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Simon Grant from memory.

Interestingly it seems Phil Kelly is now mainly writing the fluff rather than the crunch.

That's the fella.

Joyboozer wrote:

Are you from a few minutes in the future?

Yes.

Simon Grant from memory.

Interestingly it seems Phil Kelly is now mainly writing the fluff rather than the crunch.

 generalchaos34 wrote:

 radarbabyeater wrote:

 generalchaos34 wrote:
The only question I have is the Goliath an exclusive GSC unit or can the Guard borrow it too? They stole our stuff its rightfully so that we can steal theirs right?

I can't tell if you're trolling or not.

No trolling, i like the look of the model and my
ogryns would like an open topped transport to play in

It definitely won't be added to the AM codex - it is inferior in every way to the Chimera, both rules wise and lore wise, and is just on similar levels to the Taurox, but correct me if I'm wrong, the Taurox is cheaper.

Since AM can ally with GSC, you can add some, but your Ogyrns won't be able to ride in them.

G.A

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Simon Grant from memory.

Interestingly it seems Phil Kelly is now mainly writing the fluff rather than the crunch.

Not great, (Phil needs to stay away from Tau fluff) but better than before. Keeping Kelly away from the crunch is good news.

 oldone wrote:
Have genestealer been change to different base sizes? haven't used any of mine since 5th ed, So just wondering what to do with my 50+ stealers.

Nope still 25mm.

 oldone wrote:
Have genestealer been change to different base sizes? haven't used any of mine since 5th ed, So just wondering what to do with my 50+ stealers.

Keep them as they are? Only one forcing player to change them is player himself. So even if new boxes had been in 32mm you could keep them 25mm with zero problems.

 ShaneTB wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Whoever was responsible for this book definitely has their head screwed on straight. Definitely a far cry from Angel's Blade.

Phil Kelly and another guy whose name escapes me (the one with the personal Space Wolves army).

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Simon Grant from memory.

Interestingly it seems Phil Kelly is now mainly writing the fluff rather than the crunch.

That's the fella.

Are you from a few minutes in the future?