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Updating a post is sure a lot of work. I have been doing it on The Tyranid Hive site. I am surprised how much work this can be. If copy/pasting format doesn't work then you have to keep redoing it until it does work. Then if you post something wrong they you take the chance of getting in trouble for posting things you shouldn't.

It is very time consuming, and not many people have a lot of time to do so.

After all if someone wanted everything in one place, they could have done so themselves. That they didn't do so, just acts of entitlement and that is a shame.

@Davor

This!, if someone "wants" of the "rumor or leaked" info in one spot they personally can make a topic with all the info in one place.

If you arnt willing to make it your self and put the personal work into it, then you have zero rights telling others to do so.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
@Davor

This!, if someone "wants" of the "rumor or leaked" info in one spot they personally can make a topic with all the info in one place.

If you arnt willing to make it your self and put the personal work into it, then you have zero rights telling others to do so.

Plenty of people are likely willing to make it themselves. However those posters also tend to be 'veterans' of Dakka, and as such know that duplicate threads tend to be frowned upon in News & Rumors--especially when we're looking at the releases almost being completed.

It's an unwritten rule you update the OP, to be considerate. I would have done it myself if I could have.

the_scotsman wrote:

At risk of being in trouble for double posting this,

All the rules are in one place here http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/703842.page#8930325

Exalted!!

A post compiling all of the information in the thread does not need to be in the very first post. It can be in any post in the entire thread, with a mod updating the title of the thread to reflect that.

So can we get back on topic now?

I wonder if GW is going to double down on psychic powers that allow the Psyker to take control of Monstrous Creatures. My Loyalist Marines are very jealous of Mind Control and whatever that Cabal power is. Spamming Psykers in a GSC army can allow one to waste all of the Stormsurge missiles. Fun stuff.

A lot of it is here on Spikeybits, which was taken from Dakka, which was taken from BOLS lol

http://spikeybits.com/2016/09/genestealer-cult-weapons-wargear-revealed.html

Went to the spkeybits page, and got a popup window that said "Warning, your hard drive will be deleted if you close this window because you have a virus" or something.. so I closed the window and not cared since I'm on a Mac But, dunno if it's anything, but warning to yall just in case.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
@Davor

This!, if someone "wants" of the "rumor or leaked" info in one spot they personally can make a topic with all the info in one place.

If you arnt willing to make it your self and put the personal work into it, then you have zero rights telling others to do so.

Plenty of people are likely willing to make it themselves. However those posters also tend to be 'veterans' of Dakka, and as such know that duplicate threads tend to be frowned upon in News & Rumors--especially when we're looking at the releases almost being completed.

It ican be done in the same topic, and the OP can just copy and paste (If he wanted too) and others can refer to the page number is someone wanted too.

So what does everyone think so far? Is GSC a decent power level on its own, will only work when allied in with some Nids, or is bottom tier with things like Ors, CSM, DE?

Crystal-Maze wrote:
For the neophyte hybrids, I've seen conflicting information on how many special / heavy weapons they can take.

Is it 2 special weapons, 2 heavy mining weapons and a heavy weapons team? Or is it 2 mining weapons OR a heavy weapons team? Is this affected by the number of models in the unit?
Also, what are the special weapons they have access to? Do they get melta/plasma?

2 Special Weapon and 2 heavy mining weapon or 2 model take a 1 heavy weapon
Special weapon is Flamer/Grenade Launcher/Webber
Heavy Mining is Heavy stubber/Mining Laser/Seismic Cannon
Heavy weapon is Mortar/Autocannon/Heavy bolter/Missile Launcher/Lascannon


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No way I didn't screen cap at BoLS video

Patriarch has stealth?

zamerion wrote:
Patriarch has stealth?

No model has stealth by default

Assuming the only models I own are Overkill and Space Hulk stealers + patriarch what would I have to buy to have a usable GSC Decurion force? OK comes wth 14 Neophytes and 12 Acolytes , 4 Abhorents and the characters.

Tyranid607 wrote:

zamerion wrote:
Patriarch has stealth?

No model has stealth by default

Purestrein genestealer yes

Wait a sec... The Neophyte Hybrids are the bog standard infantry unit for these guys, right? And they have miniatures for them. So why an upgrade sprue for Cadians to make a slightly less good looking version than the ones already available? Unless they are a different unit I am mistaking them with?

Anyone got any good clarification for this?

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Assuming the only models I own are Overkill and Space Hulk stealers + patriarch what would I have to buy to have a usable GSC Decurion force? OK comes wth 14 Neophytes and 12 Acolytes , 4 Abhorents and the characters.

Depends on how many genestealer you can spare
You still lack of metamorphs, you are expected to buy many box of acolyte

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Wait a sec... The Neophyte Hybrids are the bog standard infantry unit for these guys, right? And they have miniatures for them. So why an upgrade sprue for Cadians to make a slightly less good looking version than the ones already available? Unless they are a different unit I am mistaking them with?

Anyone got any good clarification for this?

Neophyte Hybrids have the option for AM style Heavy Weapon Teams and Lasguns to represent the human Brood Brothers and human looking Hybrids that are part of the local PDF. The upgrade sprue is so that you can create that style.

Ahhh cheers, thanks. I think I will deviate from my Forgeworld Renegades idea for AM Neophytes, and instead grab a few bits from Mad Robot Miniatures instead to make these guys, plus an upgrade sprue or two. Thanks

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Wait a sec... The Neophyte Hybrids are the bog standard infantry unit for these guys, right? And they have miniatures for them. So why an upgrade sprue for Cadians to make a slightly less good looking version than the ones already available? Unless they are a different unit I am mistaking them with?

Anyone got any good clarification for this?

Neophyte Hybrids have the option for AM style Heavy Weapon Teams and Lasguns to represent the human Brood Brothers and human looking Hybrids that are part of the local PDF. The upgrade sprue is so that you can create that style.

I have been wondering this myself...I saw the photos of the head-swapped Cadians and assumed we'd have a Brood Brothers entry in GSC codex that was effectively an AM infantry squad/platoon...

The photos that revealed the TOC and army list entries confirmed this was not the case...so the upgrade sprues were confusing to me as well. But, the info from the Neophytes Army List Entry page reveals that they can take 2-man heavy weapons teams for the same cost as their AM equivalents. So, they would be needed to modify the AM Cadian/Catachan gunner models, and the rest of the squad as well I suppose.

I don't think it would have killed the design team to make a Neophyte hybrid model in a kneeling position though in case you didnt want to use the ugly AM infantry models...

This may be a dumb question but can you use any of the GS formations without using their special decurian detachment.

 jreilly89 wrote:
So what does everyone think so far? Is GSC a decent power level on its own, will only work when allied in with some Nids, or is bottom tier with things like Ors, CSM, DE?

I'd say they will be on the high end of mid tier, but it's hard to say based on rules alone. We can Math-hammer all we want, but we won't know how this stuff works in practice until we actually get it on the table.


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 dan2026 wrote:
This may be a dumb question but can you use any of the GS formations without using their special decurian detachment.

Yes

 jreilly89 wrote:
So what does everyone think so far? Is GSC a decent power level on its own, will only work when allied in with some Nids, or is bottom tier with things like Ors, CSM, DE?

Definitely high mid tier, certainly higher against some armies. Will struggle mightily against ignores cover en masse (Tau).

It's basically a Maximum Threat Overload army. If you roll decently well, you can just have more threats than most other armies can handle. I might ally in Tyranids for a Flyrant or two. Plus some obsec would be nice. And lictors fit the theme and execution of this army amazingly well. Don't know if that's what I'll use in the end, but until I get like 50 more acolytes, I'll need them to fill the points.

Just popped an email in to FW asking if they're planning to give GSCult access to thematically-appropriate units like the Hades Drill and Sentinel Powerlifter. Not expecting a proper reply, but if you don't ask you don't get eh.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Just popped an email in to FW asking if they're planning to give GSCult access to thematically-appropriate units like the Hades Drill and Sentinel Powerlifter. Not expecting a proper reply, but if you don't ask you don't get eh.

Thanks. Someone had to do it.

The Arvus is probably also appropriate. It'll be interesting to see if FW ever does any uniquely GSC vehicles.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Just popped an email in to FW asking if they're planning to give GSCult access to thematically-appropriate units like the Hades Drill and Sentinel Powerlifter. Not expecting a proper reply, but if you don't ask you don't get eh.

I imagine their answer will be like "They won't, you'll have to ally on AM for it." But hey, one can hope. I was honestly planning on modding up some Powerlifters. Sadly, FW doesn't sell them anymore, or I'd get there there. I plan to have very little military elements in my army, rather preferring the more utilitarian elements. So hey, if the cult get access to Powerlifters, I'll be overjoyed!

 aka_mythos wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Just popped an email in to FW asking if they're planning to give GSCult access to thematically-appropriate units like the Hades Drill and Sentinel Powerlifter. Not expecting a proper reply, but if you don't ask you don't get eh.

Thanks. Someone had to do it.

The Arvus is probably also appropriate. It'll be interesting to see if FW ever does any uniquely GSC vehicles.

I can totally see a Sentinel conversion kit that could be used for construction/mining...not unlike the power loader one they had a while back. Only it may have drill accessories, mounted mining laser/seismic cannon, etc.

I predict Forge World will make heavy weapons teams with mining equipment theme and actual mining gear/clothing on the Neophytes.

I can hedge to bet that Forge Word will put out a GSC tank commander/crew set sometime in the future.

And if they did a mining sentinel, I'd squeal. Or just re-release the power loader. Either way...

I'm going to be converting my own out of Drop Sentinels either way(one Powerlifter-style variant, and one with the Goliath heavy mining weapons underslung and a wee platform on the back with a Cultist wielding a rocket launcher as a HK missile) and will counts-as if necessary, but alas for some models they pretty much need to give the actual Cult access or they won't work - Hades have to be assigned to a squad and transports won't work at all given they're only AoC with Guard(and the FAQ seems to nix BB transport sharing anyway).

Honestly they'd be daft not to give us access, most of these kinds of unit are pretty gak in terms of rules all things considered so they're hardly going to affect the balance of the army, and opening up sales to what looks like being a pretty popular force is essentially free money for them, but FW have been a lot less keen to offer "free content" of late so who knows, we might get nothing for years until they decide to feature GSCult in an IA book.

Do they have access to Malefic Daemonology? I'm guessing no. None of the armies that can take Malefic Daemonology actually say they can in their codex though, right? Or did GW add that to the more recent codices?