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As I look through all the stuff they're releasing, I can't help but feel they're missing (aside from the limo) some kind of MASSIVE genestealer creature. I realize we have the patriarch and the Broodlord, but, I'm thinking even BIGGER!
Yes I realize I can just ally with the nids and get a huge ol beastie there, but, it's not the same.
Oh well, still pumped!
Assuming that isn't some Brass Eye level surrealist sarcasm: No! Bad! Bad wargamer! Where's my rolled up newspaper?
The best thing about this release is GW managed to restrain themselves from sharting out some grotesque, ludicrous, oversized, cartoonish, barely-thematic atrocity of a Monstrous/Gargantuan Creature/giant bipedal walker.
But doesn't not having that automatically put them in the hole against the factions that DO have it? And therein is the problem, when you let some people have some barely-thematic giant thing that also is generally super powerful, anyone who doesn't get one is at a grave disadvantage.
No. Nearly the entire force has rending or some other form of AP3 or AP2 weapons. 20 acoylytes with no upgrades are only 1/2 the cost of a wraithknight, and can (will) pop up and likely kill it before it can use its stomps. Purestrains can handle an imperial knight before it even gets to swing it's mega chainsword.
The only thing i see that inherently would be hard to kill for this army is flyers and swooping FMCs. But the same can be said for many ground-based "deathstars" in 40K in other armies as well. Plus we have the option to ally in a flying hive tyrant for the low tax of 1 mucolid (which can also do a s8 ap3 hit on flyers, so not even really a waste).
edit - the largest disadvantage i see to collecting this army is the sheer volume of models it will take to purchase and field. Anybody who got multiple sets of overkill has a nice head start, but buying metamorphs and acolytes for $8 apiece retail (5/$40 USD) will add up quickly.
Exactly - not only is the GSCult release refreshing because the studio managed to lock whoever's been responsible for the "You get a walker! You get a walker! Everybody gets a walker!" trend in a cupboard for this release, but also because it proves the argument for that design path is and always was nonsense; no, every faction does not need their own pseudoGundam to deal with the one or two factions where a pseudoGundam is actually thematically appropriate, you can just give those that don't have them non-gak rules.
Sorry, no sarcasm in my comment. I do really want a HUGE Genestealer creature to go with my army. I get that from a gaming perspective, it might not be needed to win games, and perhaps it doesn't appeal to everyone. It's just what I really would like to see. I'm perfectly happy losing every game I play, if I love the army I'm allowed to have. I realize many people like to break their armies, and individual figures down to just 'numbers', or W/L ratios, and that's fine, there's room in the hobby to enjoy that and more.
Looks like I'll have to re-purpose some Carnifex, and maybe something else, to fit into the Brood/cult. What would make a good 'genestealery' HQ to my Tyrannid allies? Can I use a broodlord with anything aside from other genestealers? Is it worth kitting out a Tyrant to look genestealer-like? Can a Tervigon work in a genestealer like context? What's a bigger somewhat genestealer-like Tyranid creature aside from the Carnifex (so, somewhat Bipedal/standing upright/big claws/ mostly CC/etc)?
Lore wise Nids are hyper adaptive and anything could potentially turn into anything. The Anphelion Project talks about nids that went into hybernation as they adapted into other nid bioforms.
That being said, Genestealers serve a very particular purpose that does not work particularly well with large and monstrous bioforms of the genestealer genome. They infiltrate and hide, grow their numbers, and plot subversion.
A massive bioform for the cult would draw attention where attention is not wanted. Purestrain genestealers spread the genestealer curse through the generations, but they need to be fast and able to lurk and hide to do it effectively. The patriarch is the one exception and they stay hidden in the depths of sewers with the cult serving until they day they rise up. And the patriarch isn't all that big and monstrous compared to the creatures that you listed above.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
skullking wrote: What would make a good 'genestealery' HQ to my Tyrannid allies?
I have used the rules for Deathleaper as a Genestealer "Assassin" type creature, using a slightly modified Spawn of Cryptus model (i.e. the newest Broodlord model currently available on the website.) Just give him some Scything Talons and maybe Feeder Tendrils (I've always HATED that look, so mine doesn't have them) and you're good to go.
skullking wrote: Sorry, no sarcasm in my comment. I do really want a HUGE Genestealer creature to go with my army. I get that from a gaming perspective, it might not be needed to win games, and perhaps it doesn't appeal to everyone. It's just what I really would like to see. I'm perfectly happy losing every game I play, if I love the army I'm allowed to have. I realize many people like to break their armies, and individual figures down to just 'numbers', or W/L ratios, and that's fine, there's room in the hobby to enjoy that and more.
Looks like I'll have to re-purpose some Carnifex, and maybe something else, to fit into the Brood/cult. What would make a good 'genestealery' HQ to my Tyrannid allies? Can I use a broodlord with anything aside from other genestealers? Is it worth kitting out a Tyrant to look genestealer-like? Can a Tervigon work in a genestealer like context? What's a bigger somewhat genestealer-like Tyranid creature aside from the Carnifex (so, somewhat Bipedal/standing upright/big claws/ mostly CC/etc)?
Google "Hive Fleet Corporaptor". It's an entire hive fleet of Genestealers and it's beautiful. Gene Tyrants and Genefexes. Ripper swarms made with old familiars and Epic bits. Enjoy.
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
skullking wrote: Sorry, no sarcasm in my comment. I do really want a HUGE Genestealer creature to go with my army. I get that from a gaming perspective, it might not be needed to win games, and perhaps it doesn't appeal to everyone. It's just what I really would like to see. I'm perfectly happy losing every game I play, if I love the army I'm allowed to have. I realize many people like to break their armies, and individual figures down to just 'numbers', or W/L ratios, and that's fine, there's room in the hobby to enjoy that and more.
Looks like I'll have to re-purpose some Carnifex, and maybe something else, to fit into the Brood/cult. What would make a good 'genestealery' HQ to my Tyrannid allies? Can I use a broodlord with anything aside from other genestealers? Is it worth kitting out a Tyrant to look genestealer-like? Can a Tervigon work in a genestealer like context? What's a bigger somewhat genestealer-like Tyranid creature aside from the Carnifex (so, somewhat Bipedal/standing upright/big claws/ mostly CC/etc)?
Google "Hive Fleet Corporaptor". It's an entire hive fleet of Genestealers and it's beautiful. Gene Tyrants and Genefexes. Ripper swarms made with old familiars and Epic bits. Enjoy.
OMG! I love it! I need to do an all Genestealer familiars ripper swarm as well! The Trygon looks AMAZING!
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115usd for what should be around the same price as the tuaurox which is 65usd. GW is really pushing me away from Genestealer cults
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Maybe 60bucks for the truck is not too bad. but still, the 40bucks for the squads regardless of size of said squads. it is so odd the new guy in charge is still ramping prices up.
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shasolenzabi wrote: Maybe 60bucks for the truck is not too bad. but still, the 40bucks for the squads regardless of size of said squads. it is so odd the new guy in charge is still ramping prices up.
That is what I thought so as well, then I realized as I started to say a few weeks ago. Smoke and mirrors. Smoke and mirrors. GW is still the same, but the illusion of change.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
shasolenzabi wrote: Maybe 60bucks for the truck is not too bad. but still, the 40bucks for the squads regardless of size of said squads. it is so odd the new guy in charge is still ramping prices up.
That is what I thought so as well, then I realized as I started to say a few weeks ago. Smoke and mirrors. Smoke and mirrors. GW is still the same, but the illusion of change.
LOL! like when they intro'd the very slightly revamped Landraider for the Deathwatch at 80USD when all other LRs are 75bucks
"Your mumblings are awakening the sleeping Dragon, be wary when meddling the affairs of Dragons, for thou art tasty and go good with either ketchup or chocolate. "
Dragons fear nothing, if it acts up, we breath magic fire that turns them into marshmallow peeps. We leaguers only cry rivets!
shasolenzabi wrote: LOL! like when they intro'd the very slightly revamped Landraider for the Deathwatch at 80USD when all other LRs are 75bucks
You do realize that the Deatwatch Land Raider comes with the Deathwatch Upgrade Frame that the Space Marine kits don't have?
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
shasolenzabi wrote: LOL! like when they intro'd the very slightly revamped Landraider for the Deathwatch at 80USD when all other LRs are 75bucks
You do realize that the Deatwatch Land Raider comes with the Deathwatch Upgrade Frame that the Space Marine kits don't have?
Hence the sticker shock as they charge the same price of 75bucks for all other landraiders not sold by forgeworld.
"Your mumblings are awakening the sleeping Dragon, be wary when meddling the affairs of Dragons, for thou art tasty and go good with either ketchup or chocolate. "
Dragons fear nothing, if it acts up, we breath magic fire that turns them into marshmallow peeps. We leaguers only cry rivets!
You get sticker shock because they upped the price of a kit by $5 because that kit has a sprue not found in the other kits?
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Lance845 wrote: Lore wise Nids are hyper adaptive and anything could potentially turn into anything. The Anphelion Project talks about nids that went into hybernation as they adapted into other nid bioforms.
That being said, Genestealers serve a very particular purpose that does not work particularly well with large and monstrous bioforms of the genestealer genome. They infiltrate and hide, grow their numbers, and plot subversion.
A massive bioform for the cult would draw attention where attention is not wanted. Purestrain genestealers spread the genestealer curse through the generations, but they need to be fast and able to lurk and hide to do it effectively. The patriarch is the one exception and they stay hidden in the depths of sewers with the cult serving until they day they rise up. And the patriarch isn't all that big and monstrous compared to the creatures that you listed above.
This. I know it's trendy to assume people who disagree with you are TFG hyper-competitive gamers or whatever skullking, but the main reason GSCult shouldn't have a big gribbly is it runs contra to their entire purpose and mission - the Hive Fleet provides the big gribblies when they show up. I brought up the gameplay aspect because that's the one most often deployed, ironically, against fluff nerds when we argue that some atrocious giant robo-thing isn't thematically appropriate or has been poorly executed aesthetically and in fiction, and GSCult have proven that in fact GWcan follow their own fluff yet still provide an effective and fun to play tabletop army.
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To go along with your new Genestealer Cult Acolyte Hybrids...
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
shasolenzabi wrote: LOL! like when they intro'd the very slightly revamped Landraider for the Deathwatch at 80USD when all other LRs are 75bucks
You do realize that the Deatwatch Land Raider comes with the Deathwatch Upgrade Frame that the Space Marine kits don't have?
Correction - it comes with the Deathwatch upgrade sprue, as well as both the standard Land Raider weapons sprue AND the Land Raider Crusader/Redeemer weapons sprue. You know, the one they charge $19.75 for separately. The Deathwatch Land Raider is a rather good value when compared to the rest of the Land Raider kits.
From the Deathwatch Land Raider product description:
This multi-part plastic kit contains all the components needed to build either a Deathwatch Land Raider, Deathwatch Land Raider Redeemer or Deathwatch Land Raider Crusader. You’ll receive a Land Raider, a Land Raider Crusader Upgrade sprue plus a Deathwatch Upgrade Frame – this contains 10 Space Marine shoulder pads and 2 Terminator Armour shoulder pads with Deathwatch insignia, a Sergeant chest plate, 2 variant helmets, a power sword, a small backpack icon and 2 large vehicle icons...
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Okay, you convinced me the DW Landraider is not so bad a deal,,,,if I were making a DW force.
But yeah 5 man squads for 35bucks i fell for to get some stormies for a faction I was making.
so 40bucks for the 10 man squad is not overly nuts at 4bucks a man, and the 40bucks per 5man squad is 8bucks per plastic man, and last I checked, 8bucks a mini is DKoK scale price range for the resin infantry men at 80bucks for a 10man squad.
Plastic coming out as expensive as resin seems a tad steep to my mind, but others will spend as they see fit.
"Your mumblings are awakening the sleeping Dragon, be wary when meddling the affairs of Dragons, for thou art tasty and go good with either ketchup or chocolate. "
Dragons fear nothing, if it acts up, we breath magic fire that turns them into marshmallow peeps. We leaguers only cry rivets!
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OMG! I love it! I need to do an all Genestealer familiars ripper swarm as well! The Trygon looks AMAZING!
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