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First hand, the Deathwatch land raider kit I bought came with everything to build all the land raider variants... It comes with the basic land raider sprues, the twin lascannon and twin heavy bolter sprue, the redeemer and crusader sprue, the deathwatch sprue, and even the vehicle accessories sprue even though all of that is on the redeemer's sprues.

 shasolenzabi wrote:
Okay, you convinced me the DW Landraider is not so bad a deal,,,,if I were making a DW force.

But yeah 5 man squads for 35bucks i fell for to get some stormies for a faction I was making.

so 40bucks for the 10 man squad is not overly nuts at 4bucks a man, and the 40bucks per 5man squad is 8bucks per plastic man, and last I checked, 8bucks a mini is DKoK scale price range for the resin infantry men at 80bucks for a 10man squad.

Plastic coming out as expensive as resin seems a tad steep to my mind, but others will spend as they see fit.

Agreed that the acolyte price are ridiculous, especially considering their ppm. Still, I'll swallow the pill and buy a few boxes. One mini I definitively will not buy is the ridiculously overpriced iconward (or whatever the frag his name is). At least, if you put such a price tag on an individual mini, make sure he's original and not easily kitbashed (a la DE Homonculus). This guy look like a regular DWOK hybrid, with a slightly fancy banner.


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Edit: Duncan hairloss is getting worst by the video :(

The acolyte kit comes with about 20 heads and about 20 sets of arms. Kit bashing with a cheaper kit or even another companies kit would not be to difficult. If you are really worried about price I am sure a start collecting box will come along eventually.

Since it seems like deathwatch overkill is going way now I'm betting there will be a start collecting box in time for xmas, since they usually do bundles for marines + whatever is new and cool at xmas time

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
Lore wise Nids are hyper adaptive and anything could potentially turn into anything. The Anphelion Project talks about nids that went into hybernation as they adapted into other nid bioforms.

That being said, Genestealers serve a very particular purpose that does not work particularly well with large and monstrous bioforms of the genestealer genome. They infiltrate and hide, grow their numbers, and plot subversion.

A massive bioform for the cult would draw attention where attention is not wanted. Purestrain genestealers spread the genestealer curse through the generations, but they need to be fast and able to lurk and hide to do it effectively. The patriarch is the one exception and they stay hidden in the depths of sewers with the cult serving until they day they rise up. And the patriarch isn't all that big and monstrous compared to the creatures that you listed above.

This. I know it's trendy to assume people who disagree with you are TFG hyper-competitive gamers or whatever skullking, but the main reason GSCult shouldn't have a big gribbly is it runs contra to their entire purpose and mission - the Hive Fleet provides the big gribblies when they show up. I brought up the gameplay aspect because that's the one most often deployed, ironically, against fluff nerds when we argue that some atrocious giant robo-thing isn't thematically appropriate or has been poorly executed aesthetically and in fiction, and GSCult have proven that in fact GW can follow their own fluff yet still provide an effective and fun to play tabletop army.

I did not mean to insinuate that you were a hardcore gaming enthusiast Yodhrin, so apologies if it came off that way. I did say that there wasn't anything wrong with those who were, so, hopefully none of them were offended either. Though lord knows I'm nothing if not trendy.

I think I see your point now. You feel as though the portrayal of certain aspects of the 40k universe which previously had existed mostly outside of the game are finally rendered, or realized within it, they are typically taken in the wrong direction. Adding elements which were not a part of something as it was originally conceived is unappealing to you. I agree that the GS cult release definitely fits with the fluff as it was prior to now, and they did a good job of not adding too many outragous elements, which Lance845 has summed up don't fit the aesthetic. Although, to be fair, we have yet to see the Limo yet, and that's an element of the cults that dates back to rogue trader, as real as deodorant space ships, and eldar riding dinosaurs.

Personally, I'm fine just adding on the Nid allies to my army, and calling it a day. I guess my GS cult will be in a constant state of reuniting with their Tyranid overlords.

Has it been confirmed that Deathwatch Overkill is going away?

I have not bought it yet and if this is confirmed I will buy it tomorrow just to be sure I get it - want it as a board game as well as a good start to my GSC army!

Tremble wrote:
Has it been confirmed that Deathwatch Overkill is going away?

I have not bought it yet and if this is confirmed I will buy it tomorrow just to be sure I get it - want it as a board game as well as a good start to my GSC army!

GW's boxed games do not last long. You had better get it when you can.

Considering that the codex today is 50.00 not including tax, you might as well start small like that, as a matter of fact That's a good idea, and one that I've been contemplating. COdex was ... ok. I haven't seen the figures, yet.

I don't know why they are hard backed though, its not like the codex's last that long to begin with.

 aka_mythos wrote:
First hand, the Deathwatch land raider kit I bought came with everything to build all the land raider variants... It comes with the basic land raider sprues, the twin lascannon and twin heavy bolter sprue, the redeemer and crusader sprue, the deathwatch sprue, and even the vehicle accessories sprue even though all of that is on the redeemer's sprues.

Yeah, the DW LAnd Raider is insanely good value. In fact, if you plan on starting a SM army? Buy DW Land Raiders. They're simply better value.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
First hand, the Deathwatch land raider kit I bought came with everything to build all the land raider variants... It comes with the basic land raider sprues, the twin lascannon and twin heavy bolter sprue, the redeemer and crusader sprue, the deathwatch sprue, and even the vehicle accessories sprue even though all of that is on the redeemer's sprues.

Yeah, the DW LAnd Raider is insanely good value. In fact, if you plan on starting a SM army? Buy DW Land Raiders. They're simply better value.

Indeed. And to make it even better, sell off the sprues you won't use.

 Grot 6 wrote:

Tremble wrote:
Has it been confirmed that Deathwatch Overkill is going away?

I have not bought it yet and if this is confirmed I will buy it tomorrow just to be sure I get it - want it as a board game as well as a good start to my GSC army!

GW's boxed games do not last long. You had better get it when you can.

Considering that the codex today is 50.00 not including tax, you might as well start small like that, as a matter of fact That's a good idea, and one that I've been contemplating. COdex was ... ok. I haven't seen the figures, yet.

I don't know why they are hard backed though, its not like the codex's last that long to begin with.

GW's policy now is that they do an initial print run of a boxed game, if it sells more than a certain proportion of the print run in a given amount of time they'll do another print run and they'll keep doing that until a set fails to meet those thresholds.

If Overkill is going away it's because it's sails have dropped off.

 Desubot wrote:
5 Bucks for a upgrade sprue is pretty good.

arent most of the upgrade sprue from gw like 10-15?

Eh, it's pretty good if you have a use for the kits it's bundled with. I'd rather pay a tenner for the bits I actually want than £25+ for kits I don't need just to get the sprue, but I 'spose GW have to shift those gnarly old plastic Cadians somehow.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
5 Bucks for a upgrade sprue is pretty good.

arent most of the upgrade sprue from gw like 10-15?

Eh, it's pretty good if you have a use for the kits it's bundled with. I'd rather pay a tenner for the bits I actually want than £25+ for kits I don't need just to get the sprue, but I 'spose GW have to shift those gnarly old plastic Cadians somehow.

This. I miss the days when you could buy the individual sprues. (Especially when I had staff discount.)

I'm going to wait and see whether it turns out more cost effective to convert DWOK guys with stuff from these kits bought from bitz sellers, or to go in on the multi-pose kits.

The thing is GW are missingg a trick in selling the upgrade sprues separately, the Deathwatch ones are selling like hot cakes on auction websites.

I now have the codex, Neophytes and dice in hand. Beautiful stuff.

 Grot 6 wrote:

Tremble wrote:
Has it been confirmed that Deathwatch Overkill is going away?

I have not bought it yet and if this is confirmed I will buy it tomorrow just to be sure I get it - want it as a board game as well as a good start to my GSC army!

GW's boxed games do not last long. You had better get it when you can.

'Starter' 40k sets like Deathstorm or Death Masque don't last long because everything in them is available elsewhere (once the unique character model gets a blister pack). Standalone games like Silver Tower and Overkill are part of the normal range, and should be available indefinitely.

Anyone else suspect the Neophyte Hybrid Squad models might have been painted in a bit of a hurry?

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
The thing is GW are missingg a trick in selling the upgrade sprues separately, the Deathwatch ones are selling like hot cakes on auction websites.

I now have the codex, Neophytes and dice in hand. Beautiful stuff.

I'm sure that'll come soon. Also Nazrak- not sure what you're getting at. It looks fine.

That rockgrinder tank thing is absolutely terrific. A complete ripoff of Total Recall 87s one. But terrific nonetheless
"Im gonna squash you Quaid!".

Damn, Wayland didn't fulfil my dice order, and the local GW sold their only set first thing this morning. Gutted!

 Nazrak wrote:
Anyone else suspect the Neophyte Hybrid Squad models might have been painted in a bit of a hurry?

Me and a few friends feel GW is painting the models like this on purpose so newer customers and painters can get this this level or be able to paint at this level and feel better about their painted models.

It is a good business model if true.

kendoka wrote:

 Gen.Steiner wrote:

kendoka wrote:Brilliant kits with awesome bitz!

Spoiler:

They are ace, but why on earth is the middle Arbite Judge toting a circular saw?

Thanks!
Because he is part of a Breacher Team, using it as an universal lock pick while kicking in doors all day long

Aha! Makes a lot of sense that - although I always figured Arbites just used det-charges to blow the doors off:

*BANG*

"ARBITES, NOBODY MOVE!"

As for the 'Eavy Metal team's painting... I don't see anything wrong with that PDF sergeant. No paint where it shouldn't be, nothing unpainted, just a nice simple scheme well executed. Easily a 7/10 where 5/10 is Three Colour Standard and 10/10 is Slayer Sword Winner.

Patriarch wrote:
Damn, Wayland didn't fulfil my dice order, and the local GW sold their only set first thing this morning. Gutted!

The outpost didn't fulfill mine either. I'm a sad little Xenos :(

Maybe I'm being a paint snob; just looks a bit slapdash for my liking.

Deffo think I'll be picking up a few Goliath kits, at least one of which will be getting turned into a trukk for my Orks. From the look of the sprues, the lads hanging out on the back could easily be magnetised, or just put on bases, and added to Neophyte squads.

That's painted to a decent table top standard.

I agree that it's a good idea for new painters so long as they also get to see expertly painted models, too.

If all my models were painted and to that standard I'd be more than happy. I see no issue. The mag presents many aspirational examples as well as the easily achievable too.

There's the army painter team and the 'Eavy Metal team. I suspect the cultist guardsmen was done by the army painter team who have to paint masses of models for those epic shots with hundreds of miniatures. A paint job like that would look fantastic from a couple of feet away.

 Bottle wrote:
There's the army painter team and the 'Eavy Metal team. I suspect the cultist guardsmen was done by the army painter team who have to paint masses of models for those epic shots with hundreds of miniatures. A paint job like that would look fantastic from a couple of feet away.

Don't disagree with this at all. Seems odd to have a 360° super close-up of one though!



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Anyway, sorry for derailing the thread; I'd be happy to get back to discussing how sick the Goliath kit looks. I'm thinking bright orange with yellow/black hazard stripes for mine.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 Nazrak wrote:
Anyone else suspect the Neophyte Hybrid Squad models might have been painted in a bit of a hurry?

*Snip*
Me and a few friends feel GW is painting the models like this on purpose so newer customers and painters can get this this level or be able to paint at this level and feel better about their painted models.

It is a good business model if true.

Nah, it's simply that the pace of the release schedule doesn't allow them to paint everything to the same standard as, say, the Genestealer Patriarch.

That particular example, though, is poor even by their recent standards of 'Basic troops, feth it, let's call that done.'

 shasolenzabi wrote:

Davor wrote:

 shasolenzabi wrote:
Maybe 60bucks for the truck is not too bad. but still, the 40bucks for the squads regardless of size of said squads. it is so odd the new guy in charge is still ramping prices up.

That is what I thought so as well, then I realized as I started to say a few weeks ago. Smoke and mirrors. Smoke and mirrors. GW is still the same, but the illusion of change.

LOL! like when they intro'd the very slightly revamped Landraider for the Deathwatch at 80USD when all other LRs are 75bucks

The DW Landraider also includes both the Godhammer sprues and the Crusader sprue, while the SM kits are one or the other. Depending on the kit, that Deathwatch upgrade sprue is valued at anywhere from $5ish to -$13.

@gein.Steiner
If I'd use your scale, that sarge would be 5,5

And what are 1,2,3 and 4s?

I agree, that its a good strategy to paint up to a tabletop standard, doesn't scare of beginners!

I think with the Goliath Truck I might put the twinlinked autocannon onto that arm the seismic cannon/mining laser come on.