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 d-usa wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
 curran12 wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:


I should be more clear. How does that lead to a riot? A logical response would be actions against the PoPo. Frankly I could see "direct action" against police as a result, but a riot doesn't help them. Riots typically do not help the local area and can in fact slow it permanently or for decades. The Watts riots and LA riots are excellent examples.

I guess it helps them by giving the rioters the excuse of the five fingered discount.


Ah, I understand more clearly now, thanks.

Well, that I think is simpler. It boils down to have you having a large and angry crowd. The individuals there could run the range from 'I'm here to peacefully protest' to 'I'm here to start trouble'. That crowd hits critical mass at some point and just explodes.


Yeah, I'll always support protest. The second you start looting Walmarts, or hell, semi's still on the interstate? You've lost every shred of credibility in my eyes though.


Over the past year, heck even over the past few weeks, it seems that it's okay to protest. But people think protests have gone to far when:

- you shut down an interstate

That's too far. No pass, go to jail.

- you shut down any road

Unless you have permit, that's too far. No pass, go to jail.

- you disrupt a public event

That happens... distrupt all you want. Just don't be surprised to being escorted off the premises.

- you make a statement anywhere people don't want to hear it

wut?

- you kneel during a national anthem

Kap can do whatever the feth he wants. I don't have to watch NFL games.

- you have a peaceful protest

That's kosher yo.

- you say something as a politician

Again... that's kosher.

It's almost like it's not about the protests at all, and more about a message people don't want to hear.

That's a bunch of bovine manure.

People protesting is a time-honored right.

Rioting... however, deserves every bit of scorn possible and their assess arrested.


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 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

I've explained this in a previous thread more than once, but that isn't a "Harvard study" but an unvetted anonymously funded working paper, it was done by an economist with no background in criminal justice, and people that are in the requisite field have called into question his methodology.

Been reading this at lunch...

The post's claim that the methodology is flawed has some merits. So, I'll backtrack this...

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Rosebuddy wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:

I should be more clear. How does that lead to a riot? A logical response would be actions against the PoPo. Frankly I could see "direct action" against police as a result, but a riot doesn't help them. Riots typically do not help the local area and can in fact slow it permanently or for decades. The Watts riots and LA riots are excellent examples.

I guess it helps them by giving the rioters the excuse of the five fingered discount.


It leads to riots because the infrastructure to organise militant groups isn't there anymore (or yet). Rioting is simply what's available to channel anger into. We might be seeing more Dorners in the future, tho.


Regarding Dorner, I've often wondered over the last two years if his "manifesto" is worth reading again in light of recent events. He had a lot of grievances with the LAPD's culture that seems to align with problems faced by other departments across the country (if I am remembering his writing correctly). I wonder if anything useful could be learned from his final writings regarding that culture and how to change it.
   
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 d-usa wrote:
Interesting ruling by a court in Massachusetts:

Mass. High Court Says Black Men May Have Legitimate Reason To Flee Police

"We do not eliminate flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion analysis whenever a black male is the subject of an investigatory stop. However, in such circumstances, flight is not necessarily probative of a suspect's state of mind or consciousness of guilt. Rather, the finding that black males in Boston are disproportionately and repeatedly targeted for FIO [Field Interrogation and Observation] encounters suggests a reason for flight totally unrelated to consciousness of guilt. Such an individual, when approached by the police, might just as easily be motivated by the desire to avoid the recurring indignity of being racially profiled as by the desire to hide criminal activity. Given this reality for black males in the city of Boston, a judge should, in appropriate cases, consider the report's findings in weighing flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion calculus."


If I lived in Boston I would flee the state.

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 Frazzled wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Interesting ruling by a court in Massachusetts:

Mass. High Court Says Black Men May Have Legitimate Reason To Flee Police

"We do not eliminate flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion analysis whenever a black male is the subject of an investigatory stop. However, in such circumstances, flight is not necessarily probative of a suspect's state of mind or consciousness of guilt. Rather, the finding that black males in Boston are disproportionately and repeatedly targeted for FIO [Field Interrogation and Observation] encounters suggests a reason for flight totally unrelated to consciousness of guilt. Such an individual, when approached by the police, might just as easily be motivated by the desire to avoid the recurring indignity of being racially profiled as by the desire to hide criminal activity. Given this reality for black males in the city of Boston, a judge should, in appropriate cases, consider the report's findings in weighing flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion calculus."


If I lived in Boston I would flee the state.


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 whembly wrote:

Rioting... however, deserves every bit of scorn possible and their assess arrested.


What's the exciting grass roots element of the GOP that your Ted Cruz is the figurehead for named after?


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 feeder wrote:
 whembly wrote:

Rioting... however, deserves every bit of scorn possible and their assess arrested.


What's the exciting grass roots element of the GOP that your Ted Cruz is the figurehead for named after?



Please do show the Tea Party riots.

I'll wait...

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 whembly wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 whembly wrote:

Rioting... however, deserves every bit of scorn possible and their assess arrested.


What's the exciting grass roots element of the GOP that your Ted Cruz is the figurehead for named after?



Please do show the Tea Party riots.

I'll wait...


Are you serious?


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 kronk wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 d-usa wrote:
Interesting ruling by a court in Massachusetts:

Mass. High Court Says Black Men May Have Legitimate Reason To Flee Police

"We do not eliminate flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion analysis whenever a black male is the subject of an investigatory stop. However, in such circumstances, flight is not necessarily probative of a suspect's state of mind or consciousness of guilt. Rather, the finding that black males in Boston are disproportionately and repeatedly targeted for FIO [Field Interrogation and Observation] encounters suggests a reason for flight totally unrelated to consciousness of guilt. Such an individual, when approached by the police, might just as easily be motivated by the desire to avoid the recurring indignity of being racially profiled as by the desire to hide criminal activity. Given this reality for black males in the city of Boston, a judge should, in appropriate cases, consider the report's findings in weighing flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion calculus."


If I lived in Boston I would flee the state.


Good luck finding a way out!

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This is the best post of the week I do believe.

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Damaging property would trigger government spending to repair state/local properties.

That would be counter to Tea Party ideals.

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Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!

 feeder wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 whembly wrote:

Rioting... however, deserves every bit of scorn possible and their assess arrested.


What's the exciting grass roots element of the GOP that your Ted Cruz is the figurehead for named after?



Please do show the Tea Party riots.

I'll wait...


Are you serious?


I thought you were referring to the Tea Party circa 2010.

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 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Strange that the ones in Charlotte are getting this out of control, where as the situation in Tulsa seems more outrageous by comparison.


Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

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 whembly wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 whembly wrote:

Rioting... however, deserves every bit of scorn possible and their assess arrested.


What's the exciting grass roots element of the GOP that your Ted Cruz is the figurehead for named after?



Please do show the Tea Party riots.

I'll wait...


Are you serious?




I thought you were referring to the Tea Party circa 2010.


Ah, my bad. My question was very clumsily worded.

I was riffing on the cognitive dissonance required to condemn these riots while lionising riots past.

We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".

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Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!

 feeder wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 whembly wrote:

Rioting... however, deserves every bit of scorn possible and their assess arrested.


What's the exciting grass roots element of the GOP that your Ted Cruz is the figurehead for named after?



Please do show the Tea Party riots.

I'll wait...


Are you serious?




I thought you were referring to the Tea Party circa 2010.


Ah, my bad. My question was very clumsily worded.

I was riffing on the cognitive dissonance required to condemn these riots while lionising riots past.

No worries.

And Boston Tea Party is nothing like today's riots.

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 whembly wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 whembly wrote:
 feeder wrote:
 whembly wrote:

Rioting... however, deserves every bit of scorn possible and their assess arrested.


What's the exciting grass roots element of the GOP that your Ted Cruz is the figurehead for named after?



Please do show the Tea Party riots.

I'll wait...


Are you serious?




I thought you were referring to the Tea Party circa 2010.


Ah, my bad. My question was very clumsily worded.

I was riffing on the cognitive dissonance required to condemn these riots while lionising riots past.

No worries.

And Boston Tea Party is nothing like today's riots.


Well sure. There was only like 40 people that did anything around then.

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Another protest? Thats not good.

CNN has the black leaders nnacp or something like that saying stop spending money on white peoples buisnesses.... Should all stores owned by white people fire all locals and move? Or stop selling to blacks in protest to this?

I do not understand these people, they get mad and damage stuff then threaten violance unless you agree with them. This is why trump will win, people are getting sick of violence againt them for doing nothing.

I guess the best anolgy I can come up with is.

You are driving home find out someone of your colour got shot for doing something incorrect. So you drive home get your friends and set each others cars on fire break into each others job sites steal then say punish the officer because we said so or we will keep buring our gak..... Poor guys....ya right.

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OgreChubbs wrote:
Another protest? Thats not good.

CNN has the black leaders nnacp or something like that saying stop spending money on white peoples buisnesses.... Should all stores owned by white people fire all locals and move? Or stop selling to blacks in protest to this?



Black people on TV can say stupid things too.


I do not understand these people, they get mad and damage stuff then threaten violance unless you agree with them. This is why trump will win, people are getting sick of violence againt them for doing nothing.


You have to understand that this is centuries of oppression and discrimination coming to a boil. This incident may not have warranted a riot. But it was the spark that set off a powder keg.


I guess the best anolgy I can come up with is.

You are driving home find out someone of your colour got shot for doing something incorrect. So you drive home get your friends and set each others cars on fire break into each others job sites steal then say punish the officer because we said so or we will keep buring our gak..... Poor guys....ya right.


This is so ignorant of Black american history I don't even know where to begin. In short, just because blacks are nominally equal under the law doesn't mean they are treated equally. Mistreated groups have a tendency of getting really angry about the their oppression.

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Its not ignorant. Thats effectively what happens in a local riot. You don't think the police are being harmed do you? No. Just local businesses and the people in the area.

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 TheCustomLime wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Another protest? Thats not good.

CNN has the black leaders nnacp or something like that saying stop spending money on white peoples buisnesses.... Should all stores owned by white people fire all locals and move? Or stop selling to blacks in protest to this?



Black people on TV can say stupid things too.


I do not understand these people, they get mad and damage stuff then threaten violance unless you agree with them. This is why trump will win, people are getting sick of violence againt them for doing nothing.


You have to understand that this is centuries of oppression and discrimination coming to a boil. This incident may not have warranted a riot. But it was the spark that set off a powder keg.


I guess the best anolgy I can come up with is.

You are driving home find out someone of your colour got shot for doing something incorrect. So you drive home get your friends and set each others cars on fire break into each others job sites steal then say punish the officer because we said so or we will keep buring our gak..... Poor guys....ya right.


This is so ignorant of Black american history I don't even know where to begin. In short, just because blacks are nominally equal under the law doesn't mean they are treated equally. Mistreated groups have a tendency of getting really angry about the their oppression.
Yes but is buring stealing and commiting crimes really the best way to get what you want? I raised 2 kids and when something went wrong and they responded with threats or throwing things I didnt just say ok your right.

If the black community want things to get better for them breaking their own stuff, driving buisnesses away and creating a profile of highly violent easly angered people is not going to make things better.

Slavery was ended because people saw injustice, things change when the heart of the people change. Doing crimes is never going to fix anything, just make things worse for you.

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OgreChubbs wrote:
Slavery was ended because people saw injustice, things change when the heart of the people change. Doing crimes is never going to fix anything, just make things worse for you.


Post Exalted. MLK understood this. That the key to changing minds was to change peoples' hearts. When individuals lash out with hate and violence or otherwise seek to inflict harm on someone else they should not be surprised that peoples' hearts harden in response.


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EDIT: out of context.

To the topic. I guess my point is that riots are not a rational response by those interested in the communittee, unless they themselves are criminals and want t take advantage. Protests-good, Riots-bad.

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 Frazzled wrote:
EDIT: out of context.

To the topic. I guess my point is that riots are not a rational response by those interested in the communittee, unless they themselves are criminals and want t take advantage. Protests-good, Riots-bad.


You are right. They are not rational. They are an emotional response.

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I dont think anyone would argue with that Fraz, but riots generally dont come about when people are thinking calmly and rationally.

EDIT: that said, sometimes it does also take a riot to get progress. As bad as they were, the 1992 LA riots forced some changes in police procedure and media coverage practices.

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OgreChubbs wrote:
 TheCustomLime wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Another protest? Thats not good.

CNN has the black leaders nnacp or something like that saying stop spending money on white peoples buisnesses.... Should all stores owned by white people fire all locals and move? Or stop selling to blacks in protest to this?



Black people on TV can say stupid things too.


I do not understand these people, they get mad and damage stuff then threaten violance unless you agree with them. This is why trump will win, people are getting sick of violence againt them for doing nothing.


You have to understand that this is centuries of oppression and discrimination coming to a boil. This incident may not have warranted a riot. But it was the spark that set off a powder keg.


I guess the best anolgy I can come up with is.

You are driving home find out someone of your colour got shot for doing something incorrect. So you drive home get your friends and set each others cars on fire break into each others job sites steal then say punish the officer because we said so or we will keep buring our gak..... Poor guys....ya right.


This is so ignorant of Black american history I don't even know where to begin. In short, just because blacks are nominally equal under the law doesn't mean they are treated equally. Mistreated groups have a tendency of getting really angry about the their oppression.
Yes but is buring stealing and commiting crimes really the best way to get what you want? I raised 2 kids and when something went wrong and they responded with threats or throwing things I didnt just say ok your right.

If the black community want things to get better for them breaking their own stuff, driving buisnesses away and creating a profile of highly violent easly angered people is not going to make things better.

Slavery was ended because people saw injustice, things change when the heart of the people change. Doing crimes is never going to fix anything, just make things worse for you.


A nice thought but that really isn't how the world works. Slavery wasn't ended out of a sense of sympathy for backs. Some abolitionists may have been sympathetic but several were very racist. Slavery was abolished because it was politically convenient for the Union to do so. Same for the civil rights movement. Blacks had been campaigning for equal rights for a long time before MLK came along. What changed? The Soviet Union had been using the treatment of blacks by the US as anti-American propaganda when trying to sway countries to it's cause. Civil rights suddenly became very appealing for the people in charge to implement.

Have blacks not been peacefully protesting the conduct of police officers for years now? Has anything changed? Call me a cynic, but until there is something in it for the people on capitol hill to effect change in our police forces I doubt any form of peaceful protest will change things.

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Have blacks not been peacefully protesting the conduct of police officers for years now? Has anything changed? Call me a cynic, but until there is something in it for the people on capitol hill to effect change in our police forces I doubt any form of peaceful protest will change things.


Its inefficient. The rioters are literally crapping on their own neighborhood. They would be more effective rioting in neighborhoods of the municipal elites. Like if you had a riot you woun't riot in the wards in Houston, but in River Oaks and Memorial. Of course the PoPo would take the gloves off then and there would be many many casualties.

Again, my view is not that riots are emotional, but thats they are led by bad actors, often not from the neighborhood. Burning my own neighborhood down is not rational (and by that I mean not sane) unless there is a monetary opportunity for me-hence Walmart and the trucks in this instance. if the local stores and trucks were defended by guys with mossbergs, the riot would turn back into a rowdy protest.

Others may disagree and this is totally my opinion without major support. I'm also kind of chuckling at the thought of someone trying to bring a riot to a Southern neighborhood and going after the residents. It would be Stalingradeqsue. I could say the same of course for most of the neighborhoods in the Inland Empire in Southern California. That was a pretty heavily armed as well.

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 Frazzled wrote:
Have blacks not been peacefully protesting the conduct of police officers for years now? Has anything changed? Call me a cynic, but until there is something in it for the people on capitol hill to effect change in our police forces I doubt any form of peaceful protest will change things.


Its inefficient. The rioters are literally crapping on their own neighborhood. They would be more effective rioting in neighborhoods of the municipal elites. Like if you had a riot you woun't riot in the wards in Houston, but in River Oaks and Memorial. Of course the PoPo would take the gloves off then and there would be many many casualties.


I'm not saying that the rioters are doing the right thing. They're just making their lives worse, like said. But I understand why they are doing it.

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Yes, because they've had to put up with so much gak for so many years and the full extent of it is all coming out now thanks to smart phones and the Internet etc. it will only take the slightest spark to trigger riots. It doesn't matter what the person was doing, all they'll see is another black man being gunned down by the cops. And at this stage I don't blame them. Never forget the guy who was lying flat his back, with his hands in the air, completely complying with all orders and was still shot anyway.
   
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 curran12 wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:


I should be more clear. How does that lead to a riot? A logical response would be actions against the PoPo. Frankly I could see "direct action" against police as a result, but a riot doesn't help them. Riots typically do not help the local area and can in fact slow it permanently or for decades. The Watts riots and LA riots are excellent examples.

I guess it helps them by giving the rioters the excuse of the five fingered discount.


Ah, I understand more clearly now, thanks.

Well, that I think is simpler. It boils down to have you having a large and angry crowd. The individuals there could run the range from 'I'm here to peacefully protest' to 'I'm here to start trouble'. That crowd hits critical mass at some point and just explodes.


The looters are getting the most out of the useful idiots.

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 Captain Joystick wrote:
 djones520 wrote:
A black officer, shot a black man, who was holding a weapon, and refusing to comply with multiple (corroborated by witnesses on scene) orders to disarm himself.


The last article I read on the subject said witnesses report he was not holding a gun. Which is most definitely the version of events the people out there believed.


It's Charlotte. As a former resident, relations between police (any police) and the local black communities...

Well here's a vid that I think describes it well;





   
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 curran12 wrote:
I find it harder and harder to have sympathy for the police in these instances. As Vakthai has put it, this is not some wild, isolated incident, this has been a long-building anger and frustration that is now reaching a flashpoint. Years, decades of this kind of thing are coming home to roost, and the police shoulder some of this responsibility. They've burned their goodwill so badly that the perception is that all shots are abuses and crimes.

The police shoulder responsibility that a man was brandishing a weapon and approaching them?

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