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 RiTides wrote:
It seems like they could just offer some flat walls - otherwise for each piece you're painting a wall and two inserts! But no harm in having it as an option really, just not my preference is all.

Why would you want less stuff for your money though? With the covers you get the arch wall, the arch inserts, and the covers, meaning you can make them modular or build a more static bit of terrain and get two wall sections from one(arch, and a flat wall section by cladding some foam with the cover). If they just offer flat walls in addition to the existing walls, you've gained nothing, but now you're paying extra for the same options. And you'd still have to paint three pieces, indeed you've made it more effort since a complete wall piece is going to take more effort than a single-sided cover section.

I'm just being practical - you're going to want to usea lot of flat walls, and from what we've seen, you'll have to paint a wall and two inserts for every single flat wall section.

David, I can definitely see the advantage of not having to deconstruct things by using the inserts. But as ced also posted, please consider making a flat wall piece, at least as an add-on pack with just multiples of that. There is going to be a group of your backers who would Really want that, which is why I'm posting this feedback now because I am one of them!

Again, just trying to help - looking forward to seeing more

 RiTides wrote:
I'm just being practical - you're going to want to usea lot of flat walls, and from what we've seen, you'll have to paint a wall and two inserts for every single flat wall section.

But that concern doesn't make any sense. If you only want one unchanging flat wall piece, glue the cover piece on and paint your one unchanging flat wall piece. If you want multiple modular wall pieces some flat and some arches, then you're still going to have to paint the same amount of stuff - one arch, one arch insert, one flat wall - regardless of whether the flat wall comes as a cover or a distinct section.

@ RITides:

Any feedback is always appreciated.
Anyway, I think your position is based on the fact, as you are saying, that you are way more interested in "plain" walls than gothic ones. So for you, it seems a hassle to have to paint 3 different pieces instead of one (even if the overall surface to paint is the same), but ....

@ all

... the Wall Inserts do NOT need to be glued to our walls. They "insert" themselves and stay in position, with an insert mechanism.
So basically, if you "click" our "plain" wall inserts inside our walls, you have your full wall, and you can paint it that way. No need to glue or fix anything in a different manner.

The last consideration is cost, of course... if people have to use 3 pieces every time they want a flat wall, if they want long flat sections, that's going to add up.

Personally, I'd see myself wanting a wall that could become a door / etc only for about a quarter of the pieces, but being able to swap on other accessories onto the walls is really cool even for flat ones.

Anyway, cheers for listening and if it's not a popular request, feel free to ignore! But I think it might be something others are looking for, and seemingly easy enough to add if you decide it's worth it!

 RiTides wrote:
The last consideration is cost, of course... if people have to use 3 pieces every time they want a flat wall, if they want long flat sections, that's going to add up.

That's quite true.
But actually the cost topic is going also the other direction.
2 Wall inserts are going to cost quite less than a single big wall, so that will be I suppose a very convincing argument for the Wall Inserts.
I mean, if every wall cost 2€ (just to use a value, nothing is decided yet), and your gaming area is 40 walls big, and you want to swap some with 20 plains walls, that's 40€ more you need to spend to get the plain walls. If however you can just use some 40 Wall Inserts for a fraction of that price, that's a huge benefit.

 RiTides wrote:
Personally, I'd see myself wanting a wall that could become a door / etc only for about a quarter of the pieces, but being able to swap on other accessories onto the walls is really cool even for flat ones.

Anyway, cheers for listening and if it's not a popular request, feel free to ignore! But I think it might be something others are looking for, and seemingly easy enough to add if you decide it's worth it!

That's quite true. We can really keep adding a lot of concepts if the funding rises, also based on backers' feedback.
Nothing is set in stone.

 RiTides wrote:
The last consideration is cost, of course... if people have to use 3 pieces every time they want a flat wall, if they want long flat sections, that's going to add up.

Yep. Most dungeons have flat walls. Every single D&D module I own calls for flat walls. If it costs 3x as much for MHW walls than for flat walls, you're pushing the product away from the gamers, who measure value in square footage (and will paint all their game tiles the same color), to diorama builders. who want customization. For a 3x3 area, Maki had a $340 pledge. That's a lot of money. Now, suppose a MHW dungeon costs $680 to build for the same square footage. Dwarven Forge's Castle KS has shown that you *do* have backers who will pay a lot of money for dungeon pieces, but the number of backers for DF Castle is about a fourth of those who pledged for their more affordable DF Dungeon game tiles. OTOH, MHW *does* have an audience who's willing to pay premium prices for high-quality detailed terrain. So if that's their *real* audience for the KS, they don't need to make flat walls. But, if they're really going for a larger audience, some of that audience will want affordable tiles for gaming, not for more expensive one details. A flat wall add-on pack would let the backers decide for themselves.

EDIT: Good to hear that "2 Wall inserts are going to cost quite less than a single big wall" so flat walls are unnecessary. Might want to mention that in the KS FAQ. I'm sure more plastic injection armchair quarterbacks are going to assume fewer pieces are less expensive than more!

Anyway, speaking of gamers, how about that boardgaming audience? You know, the one that spent *four million* dollars on Zombicide: Black Plague, and another *three* (and a half) million dollars on Massive Darkness? I'd like to see some pics of 3D boards you can make from MHW tiles (and how much it would cost) for Z:BP and MD. Here are some examples of what the DIY's have done. Also including pics for Super Dungeon Explore and Shadows of Brimstone, two other games boardgamers have spent a zonkload of money on. If you don't already have these games, get a copy, see some tile layouts, and make them from the MHW tiles. Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower, Warhammer Quest, and HeroQuest may be three more games you could show off layouts for.

I'll let the miniature wargamers tell you which miniature wargames you may want to make layouts for. Frostgrave was mentioned in the Maki KS.

Indeed the KS will show very clearly the benefits (both technicals and money-wise) of going with the Wall Inserts.


As for the boardgames, skirmish, etc, yes, you're right, it is a big market. We have indeed plans to show our products with various big games on the market.
It will be part of future updates.

Update #7 – Hard Plastic -Forgotten Halls: Stairs & Upper Floors!

Hi guys
...On the video, you can see how the stairs give a whole new depth and create great possibilities for all the scene.
As you can see, our Stairs can stand on their own without needing to be attached to walls or floors, allowing you to move them wherever you wish without worrying about them falling off their supports or needing to plug them into any kind of inserts into specific places...

For more informations:

https://manorhouseworkshop.com/2016/11/10/update-7-hard-plastic-forgotten-halls-stairs-upper-floors/




Some Images:







Regards. Lorenzo and David

Update #8 – Hard Plastic – Forgotten Halls – A scale, two possible solutions

Hi everyone!

Now it’s time to get more into details about our innovative F.H. Stairs.
The main question is “Why should you have to choose between a Gaming Stairs version and a more Realistic Stairs version ?”

At Manorhouse Workshop, we give you the possibility to have both in 1 Stairs product.
Our Stairs can switch from one version to the other, just by turning upside-down the steps...








For more informations.

https://manorhouseworkshop.com/2016/11/14/update-8-hard-plastic-forgotten-halls-a-scale-two-possible-solutions/

Regards. Lorenzo

@Lorenzo, do you have a KS date? I'm hoping mid Feb or early March so I can recuperate after Christmas.

Ernster wrote:
@Lorenzo, do you have a KS date? I'm hoping mid Feb or early March so I can recuperate after Christmas.

HI @Ernster.
We have not again decided the exact date of launch of the KS. but we think that the dates mentioned by you are more realistic.

Regards. Lorenzo

Update #9 – Hard Plastic – Forgotten Halls without floors ?

...Today we show to you yet another great characteristic of FH, along with a new series of accessories which are part of FH.

Let’s start with this new characteristic:
As you can see in the video and in the pictures, it is possible to create and build walls and structures without needing to put them on top of our FH floors. Indeed, you can see there is nothing under our walls here.

This is an important part of our project and its modularity and versatility...






For more informations:

https://manorhouseworkshop.com/2016/11/20/update-9-hard-plastic-forgotten-halls-without-floors/

regards. Lorenzo

I actually want this more for the freestanding structures than the catacombs and hallways nature. Stuff like the last post is great for adding elevation variety to Mordheim-styled games. A 4x4 board with at least two structures like those among regular townhomes would be awesome.

Fantastic work, that last post shows a lot of potential since it opens up the terrain for use in non-dungeon-crawler games.

A system of elevated walkways would be prefect for frostgrave or other skirmish games (malifaux, freebooters fate etc.).

Think you have made some very smart decisions with the design of these that has opened them up to a whole new market. Have shared it to the frostgrave group on facebook since this looks like a product that deserves to succeed.

It helps that they look brilliant as well, the sculpting is excellent and the design seems very practical and modular.

Am I the only one that can see these sets being used to create a Hogwarts Castle (at least in part)? If only I had unlimited wealth and time....

I would love it for a fantasy skirmish setting I had been pondering, where 75% or the game world is a giant city, so there's tons of levels like this:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/95/88/2d/95882d3037bffba53b8c34a7421b767e.jpg

I can already do a similar feat with my Pegasus Cathedral stuff, but that still needs me to make floors and access stairways from scratch, where this stuff is beautiful.

This KS is looking better at every update. I am glad you are thinking about a release KS date that I mentioned.

My wallet is already hurting in anticipation of this KS.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I actually want this more for the freestanding structures than the catacombs and hallways nature. Stuff like the last post is great for adding elevation variety to Mordheim-styled games. A 4x4 board with at least two structures like those among regular townhomes would be awesome.

Wow, I agree! It actually looks much cooler to me without floors, and much more applicable to wargamers!

Thanks to all for your enthusiastic comments on our FH project.
In fact, the Forgotten Halls is not only dungeons. but much more.
currently more ideas are provided for.
but, many of these new proposals, you will discover only during the KS.

regards. Lorenzo

Hey, Lorenzo, I am almost certainly backing this KS for Frostgrave purposes. I have a couple of questions though:

1) Will there be a pledge that is primarily for stairways and balcony-roofed building segments, like you've shown on the pic and vid? They would be my primary interest (I have dungeon type terrain for indoors already, and tend to prefer to use it on a separate table rather than using removable ceilings/floors).

2) Could you let us know the height of each storey, please? I will be building some foam risers and other bigger, chunkier bits of terrain so would love to be able to make them compatible in height.

Great questions, Ian, and a pledge level for that (rather than a dungeon crawler package) would be just awesome!

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Hey, Lorenzo, I am almost certainly backing this KS for Frostgrave purposes. I have a couple of questions though:

1) Will there be a pledge that is primarily for stairways and balcony-roofed building segments, like you've shown on the pic and vid? They would be my primary interest (I have dungeon type terrain for indoors already, and tend to prefer to use it on a separate table rather than using removable ceilings/floors).

2) Could you let us know the height of each storey, please? I will be building some foam risers and other bigger, chunkier bits of terrain so would love to be able to make them compatible in height.

Hi!
As for now nothing is set in stone as what how we will organize the KS and its Stretch Goals.
But we will surely start from the main floor, and then going up.
We are preparing the first 2 "boxes" of FH: the "base" set and the "upper floors". This second box will have stairs and all you need to create upper floors with new accessories.
Our intention is also to create a lot of different atmospheres and accessories dedicated to some specific settings, but we can't go much into details yet.
But all those will be very flexible and not related only to dungeons, so backers could use it in a lot of different ways.
But the start will be the "ground floor", then going up to the upper floors and then with a lot of different options / accessories for all settings.

Cheers. Lorenzo

Great stuff, ta!

And the height? Or is that commercially sensitive info? I guess I could hold off on wielding the hot wire cutter till next year if so.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:
Great stuff, ta!

And the height? Or is that commercially sensitive info? I guess I could hold off on wielding the hot wire cutter till next year if so.

Thanks @Ian Sturrock.

the walls have a height of 56 mm. for a length for the small walls of 60 mm. and those big 100 mm.
each pillar is high 56 mm for 20 x20 mm.
the dimensions of the floors are 100 x100 mm. height 10 mm.

regards. Lorenzo

Fab. So I need to get a 6mm bit of fibreboard or ply to base my 50mm foam blocks on, and I will have risers. Looking forward to an envy-making Frostgrave board.

Update 11 – Forgotten Halls – Hard Plastic – Fortified Terrace

Hi to everyone!
Let’s continue with more accessories to widen even more the potentialities of our Forgotten Halls project.




Let’s start from the terrace that we did present during last article.
We did add 2 towers to this structure, connected between them with a small overhead bridge.
You can see how the stairs give a great dynamism to the whole, while the towers give a robust show of strength to the whole structure.



For more informations:

https://manorhouseworkshop.com/2017/01/12/update-11-forgotten-halls-hard-plastic-fortified-terrace/

Regards from Lorenzo & David

Update 12 – F.H. – Hard Plastic – You can use Forgotten Halls on any existing terrain!

Hi everyone!

In our previous article we showed you how you can use Forgotten Halls to create rooms, corridors, towers, etc, without using our Dynamic Floors of 100x100x10mm. It was however with a “3D Bases” Stone Slabs floor, which creates a perfect floor for our building, and thus, you didn’t need to use any of our FH floors, for obvious reasons.
However, we are showing you now how you can use any kind of terrain already in your possession and still use perfectly our FH range.

Let’s use indeed a terrain base, like our “Rough Terrain – 3D Bases”. This terrain represents a mix of earth, little stones, etc classical to outdoors terrains.
With this terrain, you can’t use add apparently our FH walls to create a building, since you would be missing the stone floor and it wouldn’t look as good as it should.
However, there is a very easy solution “built-in FH”, which we are showing you now.







For more informations:

https://manorhouseworkshop.com/2017/01/18/update-12-f-h-hard-plastic-you-can-use-forgotten-halls-on-any-existing-terrain/

Regards from Lorenzo & David

Getting excited for this KS. Any possible release date info?

This is looking better and better. Is there an estimate for retail?