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You take that back about Sir Terry right now young man!

Do it, or I'll set Rincewind on you!

As for literary critics? At what point do generally accepted ideas become outright snobbery? ( no accusation against fellow posters - remember I consider it all incredibly subjective!)

To stick with the Sir Terry Pratchett theme, a case in point.

But to introduce a further topic to this topic of topics...GW are also offering a wider variety of games, and at fairly pleasing monetary cost.

You've got very small board games, such as Gorechosen and Lost Patrol, both of which can be played on a regular dining table with space to spare. You've got more traditional dungeoneering type games in Execution Force, Deathwatch et al.

To us as established gamers, they're a nice source of cheap models for new ventures or existing collections. For Spod In The Street, they're a highly cost effective way of seeing what's what. Now, that won't necessarily lead Spod In The Street down the darkpath we've trodden - but it certainly doesn't hurt any. £35 in the till is £35 quid in the till after all - and even if only one in ten picks up the hobby proper? Totally worth it.

I would agree that Terry Pratchett is rather light hearted and easy to read, but I don't think he deserves to be compared with third rate GW-IP-driven litterary works.

Good writers don't write for GW and GW's IP, although fun and all, isn't exactly a work of art.

I'd say time is going to be very kind to Sir Terry.

His novels are all pretty superb - and you can really see him not only developing his world, but his skills as a writer. I mean, compare The Colour of Magic to Snuff - same world, same author. But Snuff is without a doubt a far superior work. And that increase in talent and ability can be charted across all of Discworld.

I also highly recommend the Tiffany Aching sequence. Absolutely superb, even though they're suggested for 'younger readers'.

And lighthearted and easy to read does not mean badly written.

Indeed. One could argue it makes the author even better at their craft.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
You take that back about Sir Terry right now young man!

Don't get me wrong, he's my favorite author of all time, he has great ideas, tells a great story and his books will always be special to me, but they do seem, on the other hand, to be pretty simple and not all that well written. Part of my impression might be down to the publication - I've never seen any books beyond GW that have as many typos or printing errors as the early Discworld books, and part of it might be down to reading age - Discworld is great for younger readers (I did a few papers on them when I was about 16-17).

Without going too far off topic, I'm just using it as an example that shows you can enjoy something that's technically not very good. I also loved Sharknado, but I defy you to find anyone that regards it as an example of good film making

Unfortunately, I think Black Library seems to have lost what made them great to read despite being poorly done, and now just have the poorly done part. They've replaced the vaguely believable grimdark humour with bolterporn. I loved the Caiphas Caine books where he's being portrayed as a hero of the imperium when in reality he's a workshy coward who just keeps ending up in hairy situations and getting away with it. Or Gaunts Ghosts where they seem genuinely human and struggle from time to time, carrying out crappy missions in all sorts of gakholes.

bleak wrote:
I think this video can answer this question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMtgswEn0Ok

Catching up with suff on the forums, thats the reason for the late reply:

I love that video!!!! It really shows how good things are going. While 40k is recieved only around one minute of advertisment, Age of Sigmar needed 4 minutes and 40 seconds.... Most of the minis where AoS related and not 40k. I do believe that speaks for its self.

herjan1987 wrote:

bleak wrote:
I think this video can answer this question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMtgswEn0Ok

Catching up with suff on the forums, thats the reason for the late reply:

I love that video!!!! It really shows how good things are going. While 40k is recieved only around one minute of advertisment, Age of Sigmar needed 4 minutes and 40 seconds.... Most of the minis where AoS related and not 40k. I do believe that speaks for its self.

What is that supposed to mean?

 shinros wrote:

herjan1987 wrote:

bleak wrote:
I think this video can answer this question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMtgswEn0Ok

Catching up with suff on the s, thats the reason for the late reply:

I love that video!!!! It really shows how good things are going. While 40k is recieved only around one minute of advertisment, Age of Sigmar needed 4 minutes and 40 seconds.... Most of the minis where AoS related and not 40k. I do believe that speaks for its self.

What is that supposed to mean?

It means 7-0 to fantasy. Even though he manipulated entirely the numbers (counting the introduction in AoS and ignoring the bits that had 40k/AoS mixed releases)

Also, herjan, didn't you say that tzeentch arcanites would come in square bases on warseer?

Well, I was thinking GW was trying to turn the ship around, but they doubled down on this "Gathering Storm", Herohammering 40K with a plethora of super-sized characters and the referal to Aeldari for the Storm 2 preview.

They're not trying to steer the listing ship around, they are defiantly ramping up to flank speed and attempting to plow through the iceberg.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 shinros wrote:

herjan1987 wrote:

bleak wrote:
I think this video can answer this question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMtgswEn0Ok

Catching up with suff on the s, thats the reason for the late reply:

I love that video!!!! It really shows how good things are going. While 40k is recieved only around one minute of advertisment, Age of Sigmar needed 4 minutes and 40 seconds.... Most of the minis where AoS related and not 40k. I do believe that speaks for its self.

What is that supposed to mean?

It means 7-0 to fantasy. Even though he manipulated entirely the numbers (counting the introduction in AoS and ignoring the bits that had 40k/AoS mixed releases)

Also, herjan, didn't you say that tzeentch arcanites would come in square bases on warseer?

First I like your attitude of the counting! Long live Fantasy!

Secondly I never said they will come on square I said I will interested, IF they come on sqaures!

Thirdly Shrinos is the man!

Lord Kragan wrote:

 shinros wrote:

herjan1987 wrote:

bleak wrote:
I think this video can answer this question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMtgswEn0Ok

Catching up with suff on the s, thats the reason for the late reply:

I love that video!!!! It really shows how good things are going. While 40k is recieved only around one minute of advertisment, Age of Sigmar needed 4 minutes and 40 seconds.... Most of the minis where AoS related and not 40k. I do believe that speaks for its self.

What is that supposed to mean?

It means 7-0 to fantasy. Even though he manipulated entirely the numbers (counting the introduction in AoS and ignoring the bits that had 40k/AoS mixed releases)

Also, herjan, didn't you say that tzeentch arcanites would come in square bases on warseer?

Oh should of known, he is still keeping count?

herjan1987 wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 shinros wrote:

herjan1987 wrote:

bleak wrote:
I think this video can answer this question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMtgswEn0Ok

Catching up with suff on the s, thats the reason for the late reply:

I love that video!!!! It really shows how good things are going. While 40k is recieved only around one minute of advertisment, Age of Sigmar needed 4 minutes and 40 seconds.... Most of the minis where AoS related and not 40k. I do believe that speaks for its self.

What is that supposed to mean?

It means 7-0 to fantasy. Even though he manipulated entirely the numbers (counting the introduction in AoS and ignoring the bits that had 40k/AoS mixed releases)

Also, herjan, didn't you say that tzeentch arcanites would come in square bases on warseer?

First I like your attitude of the counting! Long live Fantasy!

Secondly I never said they will come on square I said I will interested, IF they come on sqaures!

Thirdly Shrinos is the man!

Also what am I doing that's deserving of praise?

Dude, you're a swole bro. You always deserve praise for being a chill fellow.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Dude, you're a swole bro. You always deserve praise for being a chill fellow.

Aw thanks!

To be on topic in my opinion GW has improved in my eyes, opening up communication, warhammer community site, Duncan, Twitch stream etc I could go on.

 shinros wrote:

herjan1987 wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 shinros wrote:

herjan1987 wrote:

bleak wrote:
I think this video can answer this question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMtgswEn0Ok

Catching up with suff on the s, thats the reason for the late reply:

I love that video!!!! It really shows how good things are going. While 40k is recieved only around one minute of advertisment, Age of Sigmar needed 4 minutes and 40 seconds.... Most of the minis where AoS related and not 40k. I do believe that speaks for its self.

What is that supposed to mean?

It means 7-0 to fantasy. Even though he manipulated entirely the numbers (counting the introduction in AoS and ignoring the bits that had 40k/AoS mixed releases)

Also, herjan, didn't you say that tzeentch arcanites would come in square bases on warseer?

First I like your attitude of the counting! Long live Fantasy!

Secondly I never said they will come on square I said I will interested, IF they come on sqaures!

Thirdly Shrinos is the man!

Also what am I doing that's deserving of praise?

Yes I still keep the count only Lord Kragan joined in the jolly fellow.

Also never regret being praised. You deserve it just for asking interesting questions on my posts.

ON Topic: I do see and apriciate that GW is doing the right things as a company, but that doesnt equals, that I am satiesfied as a customer.

 Stormonu wrote:
Well, I was thinking GW was trying to turn the ship around, but they doubled down on this "Gathering Storm", Herohammering 40K with a plethora of super-sized characters and the referal to Aeldari for the Storm 2 preview.

They're not trying to steer the listing ship around, they are defiantly ramping up to flank speed and attempting to plow through the iceberg.

Honestly, even being the cynic that I am, I doubt that. Everything feels so aimless and unfocused that they probably just have no idea what direction they're moving in at all, and everyone's paddling a different way.

Apologies if already covered, but I'm finding it pleasingly 'GW Of Yesteryear' that they're running video articles on converting up Bloodbowl teams.

Given they've been pretty dedicated over the past few years to a 'no gaps' range, that's something I never thought we'd see again.

Also hoping they make good on their promise to me, via a letter published in WD (yeah!) to do Terrain building articles - even if it is mainly kitbashing their own range.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Apologies if already covered, but I'm finding it pleasingly 'GW Of Yesteryear' that they're running video articles on converting up Bloodbowl teams.

Given they've been pretty dedicated over the past few years to a 'no gaps' range, that's something I never thought we'd see again.

Also hoping they make good on their promise to me, via a letter published in WD (yeah!) to do Terrain building articles - even if it is mainly kitbashing their own range.

Terrain videos would be wonderful.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Dude, you're a swole bro. You always deserve praise for being a chill fellow.

I'll third this!

Anyway, going back on-topic, loving GW's work as of late and hope they continue the good work. I also hope they start really looking at the background of AoS as they've recently been doing.

My money's awaiting a rpg book, GW.

Besides that, looking forward to when all this "what's going to happen to 40k!?" business is finally over.

*rewind rewind rewind*

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Perry figures would also work very well for Game of Thrones, especially the armies of the main Westeros kingdoms.

They'd be perfect for A Song of Ice and Fire, which is based on GRRM's obsession with medieval knights and War of the Roses backstabbery. (Search for his site and look at his model collection.) Lots of guys at the Lead Adventure Forum have been using Perry minis for that for ages. Ironically, even Bretonnian minis might be better proxies for that story, compared to the strange LotRish costumes in the GoT TV adaptation.

Original topic? PfffIdunno. It's been well hashed out ignored and repeated (and ignored and repeated and ignored and repeated) over the last 50 pages. I like genestealer hybrids, the return of the IoB minis, and oval bases. Little else.

So has GW gotten better? They show a little flash, (social media) open their mouths a bit (communication) and that got them for people to purchase more (me included) and now they decide they can go back to their old ways and have price increases again?

While it's on one box of reboxing (could be more not sure) it's not a sign you want to give when you are trying to show good will.

Davor wrote:
So has GW gotten better? They show a little flash, (social media) open their mouths a bit (communication) and that got them for people to purchase more (me included) and now they decide they can go back to their old ways and have price increases again?

While it's on one box of reboxing (could be more not sure) it's not a sign you want to give when you are trying to show good will.

Agree. It doesn't give me hope after the recent trends with pricing. It's three boxes, but if it becomes a regular trend of price "normalizing" with each rebox, I will not be happy. On the plus side the Tzeentch demon SC box becomes an insane deal

This is, or has been, their stated pricing policy for some time. They abandoned price rises in favour of increasing pricing with new releases, one assumes that, following that policy, they're not going to be shy about relaunching existing products to give them a little bump.

 Azreal13 wrote:
This is, or has been, their stated pricing policy for some time. They abandoned price rises in favour of increasing pricing with new releases, one assumes that, following that policy, they're not going to be shy about relaunching existing products to give them a little bump.

They did that from the start of their new policy too. IIRC, Dire Avengers were relaunched when they made that announcment, or very close to it, with a box of 5, down from 10, with no price change. It was a 100% price increase to remove 1 sprue from the set.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
This is, or has been, their stated pricing policy for some time. They abandoned price rises in favour of increasing pricing with new releases, one assumes that, following that policy, they're not going to be shy about relaunching existing products to give them a little bump.

They did that from the start of their new policy too. IIRC, Dire Avengers were relaunched when they made that announcment, or very close to it, with a box of 5, down from 10, with no price change. It was a 100% price increase to remove 1 sprue from the set.

Wow, that is even worse than what they did with the Lord of the Rings release right before The Hobbit came out. GW does have no shame. Oh well. At least GW is finally acting like the Devil we do know than the Devil we don't know.

But guys! They have a Twitch channel... behind a Citadel Paeywall™! That makes everything ok!

I'm not happy about the 0rice bump on the tzeentch daemons. That said the rest of the release is in line e with current pricing (uk/us anyway) or cheaper than current pricing by a significant margin. Personally I think this has to do with the Start Collecting box more than anything since unlike Khorne & Nurgle tzeentch lacked a big and expensive flashy elite unit.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But guys! They have a Twitch channel... behind a Citadel Paeywall™! That makes everything ok!

Wow I did not know about that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But guys! They have a Twitch channel... behind a Citadel Paeywall™! That makes everything ok!

I can never understand paying for a companies advertising. I think it's funny people will say and even GW will say, "don't like it don't get it." Thing is, if I don't get it, how are you advertising to me then? WTF

Most Twitch channels I know offer a subscription based service that comes with extra perks for members. In a lot of ways the fine folks at Rooster Teeth do the same thing (with a few exclusives).

Those streamers then have YouTube channels where a few days later edited down highlights or specific videos are uploaded for everyone to watch.

If GW wants to use their YouTube channel to put up edited or the odd bit of Twitch content, then that would be ok, but unlike other streamers GW's Twitch is advertising, and paying for another company to advertise to you is a mug's game.