Horus Heresy - Burning of Prospero (GW) - SoS 30k rules in upcoming Dec WD

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**GoatboyBeta**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
But for non-SW or non-1KSons, you are also losing your two HQs, one of which is the ever-useful Cataphractii Captain. So there is more lost than just that. For me, since I want the SW Captain just to have, I am sure I will find him cheap online. Losing out on the Custodes will be kinda sad though.

I don't run 30k wolves or 1k sons(not yet anyway

) But fortunately I do have a place for all the non generics. The Custodes and Sisters will be fine alongside my 30/40k Ultras, the SW HQ will go in the Death watch and 30k Ahriman will probably get a head swap and join the forthcoming 40k 1k sons.

angelofvengeance wrote:
Geigor Fellhand video:

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/268848613510124/

Cool as that was I still cant bring myself to sympathise with the Wolves

**TheDraconicLord**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Geigor Fellhand video:

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/268848613510124/

The Custodes in that video. HNNNGGG, those swords are unbelivable sexy. And the Fell-hand, Lord, that is an amazing HQ sculpt for SW!

Still, MAGNUS DID NOTHING WRONG!

**angelofvengeance**

You can sort of empathise with the Space Wolves. They were led to believe (by Horus) that what they were doing was right and sanctioned by the Emperor, after all. Even Russ was a little reluctant to strike his brother.

**unmercifulconker**

Yeah the Custodes are really fething spicy.

That there quite larger than standard marines aswell, hoping the custodes shields make some kick ass stormshields for terminators or veterans and

**Paintalist**

My plans for my Death Guard project: 2 boxes
30 normal marines
10 heavy support (maybe with fw upgread weapons)
20 Aussault marines (3rd party upgrade bitz)
10 SoS --> to my inquisition force
10 Terminators --> DG
10 Custodes --> ebay?
1 Chaos hero --> bitzbox
1 Chaos hero --> ebay?
1 SW hero --> SW40k lonewolf
1 SW hero --> ebay?
This should be a very allrounding base for my infantry. So just DN and heavy tanks are missing.

**Iron_Captain**

TheDraconicLord wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:
Geigor Fellhand video:

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/268848613510124/

The Custodes in that video. HNNNGGG, those swords are unbelivable sexy. And the Fell-hand, Lord, that is an amazing HQ sculpt for SW!

Still, MAGNUS DID NOTHING WRONG!

Apart from being an narcistic, arrogant and deceitful bastard who violated the Emperor's law, ruined the Emperor's webway project and humanity's future with it, made use of forbidden knowledge, fraternised with the Great Enemy and let his homeworld and loyal sons die just because he was too busy with his self-pity. Truly Magnus did nothing wrong.

And Fellhand is a really sexy model indeed. I kinda want to start a 30k SW force now... If only I had money. I still need to finish an Iron Warriors and an Isstvan-themed shattered legion force for 30k first. And then I also want to do Sons of Horus after that... And maybe Thousand Sons too... Not to mention all the 40k stuff I need to work on. And all the boardgames I want to have. Guess I will be permanently out of time and money...

In any case, this box will make a beautiful addition to my Sallies and a great start for the Iron Hands part of my shattered legion.

**godardc**

OMG, the Custodes weapons are so gross! They look like characters from a stupid manga... facepalm over 9 000

Why GW ?! WHY ?!!!

Such a shame ! Fortunately, I will easily convert mine, but, still...

I hate to be so negative about such a wonderful release, but I can't do otherwise.

**Slayer-Fan123**

godardc wrote:
OMG, the Custodes weapons are so gross! They look like characters from a stupid manga... facepalm over 9 000
Why GW ?! WHY ?!!!
Such a shame ! Fortunately, I will easily convert mine, but, still...

I hate to be so negative about such a wonderful release, but I can't do otherwise.

That spear DID look a lot like Goku...

**NewTruthNeomaxim**

So if these MK3 Tacs can take the Heavy Bolter, is it safe to say we could build them with Grav Cannons if I hunted some bitz down?

**GoatboyBeta**

Iron_Captain wrote:

Apart from being an narcistic, arrogant and deceitful bastard who violated the Emperor's law, ruined the Emperor's webway project and humanity's future with it, made use of forbidden knowledge, fraternised with the Great Enemy and let his homeworld and loyal sons die just because he was too busy with his self-pity. Truly Magnus did nothing wrong.

To be fair he probably got a lot of that from his dad

**motski**

angelofvengeance wrote:
Geigor Fellhand video:

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/268848613510124/

Geigor sounds like the Swedish exchange student who served me last time I went to IKEA

**JohnnyHell**

Fragile masculinity is fragile. Don't let the lady-dollies being better than the man-dollies bend you out of shape, chaps. Special characters and elite units have better rules. Same as it ever was.

**Azreal13**

motski wrote:
angelofvengeance wrote:
Geigor Fellhand video:

https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/268848613510124/

Geigor sounds like the Swedish exchange student who served me last time I went to IKEA

I think I have a Geigor lamp from IKEA.

**aracersss**

is geigor secretly bjorn?

**streetsamurai**

Even if I'm really not a fan of the SOS, I must say that this box is still really tempting. Gaigor ad Arihman are beautiful minis, and the Custodes seems great too (I think they will look a lot better when not painted gold). And the price is really good too. Was thinking about selling my SW, but this make me reconsider my decision.

On the negative side, the scale seems to be all over the place though. It seems like Arihman and Gaigor are way bigger than normal marine, and that the marine themselves are smaller than the SOS.

**insaniak**

aracersss wrote:
is geigor secretly bjorn?

Covered earlier in the thread.

It's possible for two different people to have similar nicknames, particularly when said nickname is based on a shared physical attribute.

**GoatboyBeta**

Its a bit premature but I do wonder where GW will go with there Heresy line after this. Will we be back in 12 months getting excited about a new boxed game full of mk2 or mk5 Marines?

**motski**

Azreal13 wrote:

I think I have a Geigor lamp from IKEA.

I have one too; it casts the Emperor's light to the darkest reaches of my living room.

**Roknar**

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Its a bit premature but I do wonder where GW will go with there Heresy line after this. Will we be back in 12 months getting excited about a new boxed game full of mk2 or mk5 Marines?

If CSM players had any say in the matter they would be themed to match the 40k release of a new legion dex

*secretly prays to the dark gods that TSons and this will mark a precedent for things to come*

If loyalists getting access to two super special snowflake factions is the cost of getting a proper codex for a traitor legion I say we need more imperial releases XD

**GoatboyBeta**

I would be up for another boxed game with a traitor specific unit or two if it got us plastic mk5. But as much as GW loves Marines are we really going to end up with 4 or 5 different tactical squad boxes on the shelves? Unless they start inventing new units they are going to have move even further away from the Calth blueprint of board game full of Space marine infantry than this Prospero release.

**Daston**

I imagine we could see a "Battle of Caliban" box set with Luthar vs a Dark Angel captain/Chaplin.

**shade1313**

Daston wrote:
I imagine we could see a "Battle of Caliban" box set with Luthar vs a Dark Angel captain/Chaplin.

That would be a pretty darn good way to bring in some Mk II.

**JohnnyHell**

No reason to not do more 'Armour Marks' boxed game sets. Each one gives them nice sprues to replace FW models with so as to expand their capacity and reduce cost, and a big bump of cash from each release. Plus each boxed game won't be around forever. I'd imagine Calth will be phased out very soon if Prospero is launching.

**Crimson**

These models are really well made. (Those bolter swords look ridiculous though.) I have never been a huge fan of the designs of either Custodes or SoS, nor are the power and terminator armour marks featured in this box my favourites, so I might pass. Maybe...

I really want to see a proper size comparison of these models, though. The sisters look really tall, but it is hard to judge from the videos. I also want to see whether the marines are in the new slightly larger scale like the Deathwatch.

**Commander Cain**

I am quietly hoping that the next HH boardgame (for there most certainly will be one) will feature MK2 marines and MK1 terminators, maybe even plastic jetbikes too?

This artwork popped up from FW a while back and boy do those termies look tough! What Centurions should have looked like imho, they must have the safest shoulders in the galaxy

However I am perfectly happy with the releases we have gotten so far. No need to rush a good thing! In fact I wouldn't mind some xenos releases for a while just so I can catch up on my painting...

**Azazelx**

I think the Marines will be the same size as the Calth ones. They need to be 100% cross-compatible with the Forge World add-ons (torsos, heads, weapons, etc), after all.

I really need some Tartaros termies as well. I've got a plan for at least one squad of them...

**H.B.M.C.**

Ok, some rules from someone who says they have seen the WD:

Nope, 55 points per model, with a starting squad cost of 125 for three.(Horus Heresy rules from november's white dwarf)
WS5 BS5 S5 T5 A2 W2 with a 2+/5++ armour save.
The guardian spear is a S User/+1 AP 3/2 with the alternate profile applying on the charge and a special rule which causes it to generate an additional hit(or to hit roll, can't remember) on a to-hit roll of six. It also comes with an inbuilt S4 AP 4 assault 2 bolter with range 18".
The Custodes Armour gives them move through cover.
And the Custodes themselves have a special rule which extends their cohesion range to 3" rather than 2" and another which increases them to WS 6 when fighting opponents with equal or less WS than them.
They also have a sword and shield option which uses an elite choice. Those guys get a 4++ save which I think is rerollable under a certain circumstance and they have a power sword with rending and an inbuilt bolt weapon with a special rule called hail of fire.

So there we go.

**Danit**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Ok, some rules from someone who says they have seen the WD:

Nope, 55 points per model, with a starting squad cost of 125 for three.(Horus Heresy rules from november's white dwarf)
WS5 BS5 S5 T5 A2 W2 with a 2+/5++ armour save.
The guardian spear is a S User/+1 AP 3/2 with the alternate profile applying on the charge and a special rule which causes it to generate an additional hit(or to hit roll, can't remember) on a to-hit roll of six. It also comes with an inbuilt S4 AP 4 assault 2 bolter with range 18".
The Custodes Armour gives them move through cover.
And the Custodes themselves have a special rule which extends their cohesion range to 3" rather than 2" and another which increases them to WS 6 when fighting opponents with equal or less WS than them.
They also have a sword and shield option which uses an elite choice. Those guys get a 4++ save which I think is rerollable under a certain circumstance and they have a power sword with rending and an inbuilt bolt weapon with a special rule called hail of fire.

So there we go.

Seems like the points are super low for what they are, way better than gal vorbek base squad and only 35 pts more with 5, also way better than terminators upgraded squad for not much more pts. perhaps he got the base squad pt cost wrong as its much lower than 3 custodes and that's not how 30k usually calculates base squad cost. i would expect it to be no less than 165 and can honestly see it up to 200 base.

**Azreal13**

I had a jacket made out of that. Had to give it to goodwill in the end, could never get it to fit in the cold.

**Vector Strike**

Please guys, let's keep the conversation about the boxes. You can create a thread in the General subforum about girls playing 40k.

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I find 55p per custodes to be VERY cheap. discussing earlier with friends, we guessed more or less 70-80p per model...