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They don't have a very large damage output, especially since they will struggle to get to melee (or not, depending on which transports they get. Without one they are plasma fodder.)

They are better than Gal Vorbak to be sure, although GV do have DS.

they are strong, but not that strong and will get shred to pieces by terminators quivalent with pf, except on the charge.

don't really like that some humans have s5 t5. This should be restricted to xeno's or daemons.

tbf Custodes aren't just 'some humans', they are to Space Marines what Space Marines are to normal humans. S5 and T5 makes sense in that regard.

 Azazelx wrote:
Yes. The cloth of Testicles.

Out of context quote of the year award goes tooooo....


on topic, Mk3! huzah for my death guard, really i think this set is an improvement over calth, and i was pretty well satisfied with that. The custodes and SoS are not really the types of peep to be rolling with my DG but maybe ill have to start up another chapter for my HH era stuff.

The ws6 against ennemies with equal or better ws is just dumb and complicated for nothing. They should have just gave them ws6 and be done with it

If the leak is true then its interesting that the Guardian Spear is pretty much the same (melee stats wise) to the Phoenix Spear that the Emperor's Children have access to. I'm surprised they don't have the same stats or abilities as the Watch Master's (though I guess 3+ models blocking attacks would get tedious and weird against guys like Imperial Knights).

The only interactions I can think of where that rule isn't pointless is:
- In 30k (so where we'll see them almost 100% of the time) against Emperor's Children with Sonic Shriekers, where if they had WS6 normally they'd be decreased to WS5 and forced to hit things like Phoenix Terminators on 4s rather than 3s.
- In 40k against Slaanesh Daemons as part of that Formation (since Formations can't be used in the Age of Darkness expansion) that gives enemy units in base contact -1 WS. Again, native WS6 would mean hitting Daemonettes on 4s rather than 3s.
- The very few Psychic powers in the game that decrease WS to the point where the Custodes WS6 would be reduced to the same as the unit they are fighting.

In every other case it's 100% useless as you said, and in all honesty I agree that for simplicity's sake they should have just been made WS6. I just wrote this because I'm a bit bored .

That is, of course, assume that rumor is accurate (and given this is the second 'Custode Stat Leak' in like a day... well let's just say I'm not 100% convinced it's real).

also it looks like the custodes have 3 weapon options, sword and shield, double sword and spear

I'm not sure that WS bonus was relayed correctly. Makes much more sense for it to be more like +1WS vs models w/lower Initiative.

 streetsamurai wrote:
they are strong, but not that strong and will get shred to pieces by terminators quivalent with pf, except on the charge.

don't really like that some humans have s5 t5. This should be restricted to xeno's or daemons.

You know Custodes (and Marines) aren't really human, right? The Custodes are essentially hand crafted genetically engineered warriors built by the Emperor. S5 T5 fits.

Back on topic: this is a great box! I'm planning on having a 20 man tactical wearing mkIII, one in mkIV, a 10 man mkIII veteran squad, and 5 man mkIV tactical support and heavy squads. Because supposedly it's heresy to mix armor marks

It's only heresy when you play against the so-called hobby grognards.

 Commander Cain wrote:
I am quietly hoping that the next HH boardgame (for there most certainly will be one) will feature MK2 marines and MK1 terminators, maybe even plastic jetbikes too?

This artwork popped up from FW a while back and boy do those termies look tough! What Centurions should have looked like imho, they must have the safest shoulders in the galaxy

Oh yes, mk1(Saturine?) Terminators based on the old metal model would be great.

But don't Marines mix armour all the time? I'm pretty sure that the only combination that doesn't work is a MkVI helmet with a MkVIII torso.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But don't Marines mix armour all the time? I'm pretty sure that the only combination that doesn't work is a MkVI helmet with a MkVIII torso.

Well seems according to some guys in thread especially early heresy it was "what mark suited role best" with everybody in squad having same mark. Later when supplies became issue they started mixing stuff(leading to the mk 5 armour).

So guess you could just say your marines are from later stages of HH? Or just ignore nitpickers. Your game, your fluff, your decision and to the hell what GW or other players say. In our story Belial is already dead! (not because we hate him but because he ended up in situation where he...well got killed. Heroicly but still died. Think he got like close to 2 dozen wounds from powerfist so that's quite dead!)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But don't Marines mix armour all the time? I'm pretty sure that the only combination that doesn't work is a MkVI helmet with a MkVIII torso.

It all works in the heresy setting. If you want every marine in your force composed of one mark, it works. If you want to equip one squad with mkIII and one with mkIV, it works. If you want to mix and match suit parts, it works. Every marine has an upgrade helmet? Works. Every squad has a random mix of armour marks? Works. Every suit is individualised? Works.

 Vector Strike wrote:
Please guys, let's keep the conversation about the boxes. You can create a thread in the General subforum about girls playing 40k.

More than happy to do so. I'm not especially interested in that discussion, but when people say ridiculous things it does need to be addressed. So preorders on the 22nd means release is on the 29th?

Yes, Saturday 29th. November WD will get released a day earlier though, on Friday like always. And the LE Standard bearer from FW will be available on the 22nd.

I'm picking mine up on the 30th, did have to pre-order it at the FLGS though, just to be sure, as word has it quite a few folks will be picking one (or two) up on the day itself.

Here's hoping though that the local GW rep will be around again by then. The FLGS hasn't had new releases two weeks in a row now.

tneva82 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
But don't Marines mix armour all the time? I'm pretty sure that the only combination that doesn't work is a MkVI helmet with a MkVIII torso.

Well seems according to some guys in thread especially early heresy it was "what mark suited role best" with everybody in squad having same mark. Later when supplies became issue they started mixing stuff(leading to the mk 5 armour).

So guess you could just say your marines are from later stages of HH? Or just ignore nitpickers. Your game, your fluff, your decision and to the hell what GW or other players say. In our story Belial is already dead! (not because we hate him but because he ended up in situation where he...well got killed. Heroicly but still died. Think he got like close to 2 dozen wounds from powerfist so that's quite dead!)

I guess someone should of told Forgeworld


Generally as long as your not useing any clearly 40k/MK7 parts, then just mix and match as you see fit is more people's rule of thumb for 30k.

The only thing is that some MK's don't look very good mixed together. Generally people stick to MK2/3 and MK 4/6 with MK5 sprinkled into both for flavour.

Duncan Rhode's Sons of Horus army has mixed units amongst those with single marks. Mixing makes for an interesting army imo

*Added some more pics

I can already hear the tutting from the purist for him using plastic Rhinos instead of the "proper" ones.

Gorgeous army though!

Any purist tutting over that is just ignorant of the fluff. The MKII 'Mars' Rhino was in use in the Great Crusade and Heresy, though it was much rarer than the 'Deimos'.

The WD article was published in late 2013, if I'm not mistaken in November (October?). It is one of the early days HH projects. I just love it and will certainly build mine in a similiar fashion.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Any purist tutting over that is just ignorant of the fluff. The MKII 'Mars' Rhino was in use in the Great Crusade and Heresy, though it was much rarer than the 'Deimos'.

If useing MKII Rhinos isn't "correct", then why dose FW only make legion upgrade doors for MKII rhinos?

 Lockark wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Any purist tutting over that is just ignorant of the fluff. The MKII 'Mars' Rhino was in use in the Great Crusade and Heresy, though it was much rarer than the 'Deimos'.

If useing MKII Rhinos isn't "correct", then why dose FW only make legion upgrade doors for MKII rhinos?

Well technically speaking that's not proof since FW does sell stuff to this game called "warhammer 40k", not just HH And vehicle doors on both 40k and HH side lead to the same page so technically one could arque mkII doors are for 40k, mkI doors are for HH.

But of course that's ignoring fluff(even if that fluff was made to ensure more sales it's still valid fluff)

 Lockark wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Any purist tutting over that is just ignorant of the fluff. The MKII 'Mars' Rhino was in use in the Great Crusade and Heresy, though it was much rarer than the 'Deimos'.

If useing MKII Rhinos isn't "correct", then why dose FW only make legion upgrade doors for MKII rhinos?

Eh, you may want to reread what I wrote... I'm saying the MKII was used in the Heresy and Great Crusade and therefore anyone saying it's 'incorrect' to use one is ignorant of the fluff.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Any purist tutting over that is just ignorant of the fluff. The MKII 'Mars' Rhino was in use in the Great Crusade and Heresy, though it was much rarer than the 'Deimos'.

If useing MKII Rhinos isn't "correct", then why dose FW only make legion upgrade doors for MKII rhinos?

Eh, you may want to reread what I wrote... I'm saying the MKII was used in the Heresy and Great Crusade and therefore anyone saying it's 'incorrect' to use one is ignorant of the fluff.

I'm agreeing with you.

Ah sorry, I'm just used to people quoting me with the intent of disagreeing, rather than agreeing.

I wasn't even planning on mixing parts. Just having half and half squads. By my calculations BaC and BoP I should have enough plasma guns (does Prospero come with flamers?) and heavy bolters to make a squad of each.