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The story is somewhat altered. It's supposed to be Hawkeye. But he's with Marvel, so they put Xavier in it instead. The movie story seems to mix Old Man Logan (Only little parts of it, it seems.) together with Laura's story.
Loved the trailer. I'll wait for a second trailer if there'll be one. It made me want to see it.
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Poor ignorant guardsmen, it be but one of many of the great miracles of the Emperor! The Emperor is magic, like Harry Potter, but more magic! A most real and true SPACE WIZARD! And for the last time... I'm not a space plumber.
Nope Hulk is with Marvel to. So no Hulk hillbillies for you Kronk. I think it'll have minimal inspiration from Old Man Logan.
Poor ignorant guardsmen, it be but one of many of the great miracles of the Emperor! The Emperor is magic, like Harry Potter, but more magic! A most real and true SPACE WIZARD! And for the last time... I'm not a space plumber.
All signs point to Nathaniel Essex, aka Mr Sinister being the bad guy. Richard E Grant is rumoured to play him.
I still think a time portal based ending would be good. - End of the film Logan is defeated fighting Sinister, tosses Laura through a time portal (Sinister has *all* the toys), where she appears in front of James McAvoy. - Who, naturally, knows Logan from "Days of Future Past." Add in some mind reading and there you go.
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I really don't see that that's needed. By all means, have this film end with Laura inheriting the Wolverine title, in the future, but bringing her back seems to just unnecessarily complicate the timeline that they've just about sorted out after DoFP.
The new X-men lineup from the end of Apocalypse has enough strong characters that they don't need a Wolverine as the draw like he was in the first trilogy. Let's give Cyclops a chance to become something more than the guy whose bike/job/girlfriend Wolverine steals, give Storm and Nightcrawler and Quicksilver some more screen time.
Then there's the fact that Jackman is Wolverine, I doubt the general audience are going to be as receptive to any passing on of the title as comic fans would be. I can see why they made the change in the comics, but I don't think it needs to carry over to the films.
If they let Laura inherit the Wolverine tittle in the future there won't really be new x-men movie or anything with her. Or they should go back to prevent the decrease in the mutant population. Since almost all are dead in the movie and Xavier will no doubt die in it to.
Poor ignorant guardsmen, it be but one of many of the great miracles of the Emperor! The Emperor is magic, like Harry Potter, but more magic! A most real and true SPACE WIZARD! And for the last time... I'm not a space plumber.
That's the thing, I don't think we need to see her in anything else. Do it like the scene at the end of The Dark Knight Rises where it's implied that Robin Blake takes on the Batman mantle, have her find Logan's old costume or something then roll credits. We don't need a Lauraverine film, we don't need her in an X-men film, I don't think!
problem is, the story is supposed to take place 1 year after DOFP when Logan returned to a school of kids everyone is alive and doing fine, so if you ask me I'd rather see what happened in that year then the old man Logan part.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
Paradigm wrote: I really don't see that that's needed. By all means, have this film end with Laura inheriting the Wolverine title, in the future, but bringing her back seems to just unnecessarily complicate the timeline that they've just about sorted out after DoFP.
I don't know, having the continuity become a tangled and contradictory mess due to time travel seems entirely in the spirit of the comics.
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Was it Bryan Singer who said that he wasn't actually trying to make the movies have continuity that worked together, but instead just make each of them stand alone good movies?
I mean, look at Xavier - when could he and couldn't he walk? How did he come back to life? Which movies does Wolverine still have amnesia? Nobody knows. If you try to tie the X-movies into a continuity you'll go mad.
One theory I've been considering is Logan becomes Cable. And before anyone jumps down my throat or *BLAMS* me for Heresy most foul, hear me out.
There is precedence for it. In one of the many alternate universes in Marvel Comics, Logan loses his healing factor and begins to age normally as well as having to replace a couple parts with bionics (i.e. Eye and Arm)
This forces him to become a far more cautious and strategic soldier who rarely relies on his claws except in emergencies (no healing factor, remember). To separate himself from his past, Logan then takes on the moniker of Cable.
and for further proof that this really happened in the comics, I give you this:
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Asterios wrote: problem is she is not Wolverine, Hugh Jackman is Wolverine and that is how people see him, he doesn't want to be typecast as such which is why he won't be playing the part again but alas it is too late and something tells me we will be seeing him return to Wolverine.
That's a pretty strange complaint. Jackman is hardly struggling to get work outside his part as Wolverine. He isn't headlining other $200 million action blockbusters, but that's kind of the point. He's got his Wolverine roles for the big cheques and profile that kind of work brings. Elsewhere he's been happy to work in romance puff like Kate & Leopold or Australia, or in arty fair like The Fountain, or drama like Prisoners. And I think he's been in a whole bunch of musical work on the stage as well.
I wouldn't describe his resume as complete by any stretch, but you have to remember Jackman's limitations. The guy can sing and dance, he can be charming and handsome, and he be gruff and intimidating. But what he can't actually do much of is act. Roles that require real range and depth of emotion are for other people. Considering all that what he's done with his career has been very impressive, especially the way he's managed to keep banking Wolverine work while making a whole bunch of other, more diverse stuff.
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Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Ahtman wrote: Jackman was also in Chappy and if I recall he was lauded for his performance in it.
I haven't seen the movie so I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic because wasn't Chappy absolutely panned?
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Ahtman wrote: Jackman was also in Chappy and if I recall he was lauded for his performance in it.
I haven't seen the movie so I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic because wasn't Chappy absolutely panned?
It wasn't a great movie by any stretch and failed pretty badly, but I recall Jackman was supposedly one of the few bright spots in it. I could be remembering wrong though.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Asterios wrote: problem is she is not Wolverine, Hugh Jackman is Wolverine and that is how people see him, he doesn't want to be typecast as such which is why he won't be playing the part again but alas it is too late and something tells me we will be seeing him return to Wolverine.
That's a pretty strange complaint. Jackman is hardly struggling to get work outside his part as Wolverine. He isn't headlining other $200 million action blockbusters, but that's kind of the point. He's got his Wolverine roles for the big cheques and profile that kind of work brings. Elsewhere he's been happy to work in romance puff like Kate & Leopold or Australia, or in arty fair like The Fountain, or drama like Prisoners. And I think he's been in a whole bunch of musical work on the stage as well.
I wouldn't describe his resume as complete by any stretch, but you have to remember Jackman's limitations. The guy can sing and dance, he can be charming and handsome, and he be gruff and intimidating. But what he can't actually do much of is act. Roles that require real range and depth of emotion are for other people. Considering all that what he's done with his career has been very impressive, especially the way he's managed to keep banking Wolverine work while making a whole bunch of other, more diverse stuff.
I thought he was excellent in the Fountain. I thought I was the only person on earth to have seen that movie.
I disagree on the acting. He may not be at the level of the God of Acting (Lord Olivier) but he does emotion just fine. Plus winning Tonies is a big prize.
I'd love to him in a stage play of something like Death of a Salesman to really test him.
On the positive, he's likely a really rich SOB now and can pick anc choose art projects, theater, whatever to really stretch and doewhat he wants.
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Ahtman wrote: It wasn't a great movie by any stretch and failed pretty badly, but I recall Jackman was supposedly one of the few bright spots in it. I could be remembering wrong though.
Fair enough. I might prompt me to finally getting around to seeing it.
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Frazzled wrote: I thought he was excellent in the Fountain. I thought I was the only person on earth to have seen that movie.
I disagree on the acting. He may not be at the level of the God of Acting (Lord Olivier) but he does emotion just fine. Plus winning Tonies is a big prize.
I'd love to him in a stage play of something like Death of a Salesman to really test him.
I really liked The Fountain, and I really admired Jackman's bravery in taking on the role. But it was also when I noticed the difference between Jackman and a seriously good actor. I mean, Jackman has stood his own against guys like Ian McKellan and Michael Fassbender, but that was in a comic book movie, everything is done with big gestures and big statements. But in The Fountain you really see the difference between Jackman, who is still relying on big gestures, and Rachel Weisz, who brings so much emotion with so many subtle, natural things.
I don't know, I'm not an acting coach or great student of acting or anything, just my opinion.
On the positive, he's likely a really rich SOB now and can pick anc choose art projects, theater, whatever to really stretch and doewhat he wants.
Exactly. He's managed what pretty much the perfect Hollywood career - get yourself set up in a franchise that gives you mad bank and are actually pretty decent movies on the whole, and then spend the rest of the time making whatever you want.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
Ahtman wrote: It wasn't a great movie by any stretch and failed pretty badly, but I recall Jackman was supposedly one of the few bright spots in it. I could be remembering wrong though.
Fair enough. I might prompt me to finally getting around to seeing it.whatever you want.
Now let's not go overboard.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Time to put on your tinfoil hats my friends cause I am about to go way too deep into this.
The villain: I wanna say im almost 100% sure is not mister sinister. I think he is Donald Pierce given that he has that cyborg arm. Now I am not going to go into that much detail about him, only the necessary parts. He hates mutants and he has his own private group of mercenaries which I think, in the movie, they will call them the Reavers (In comics the Reavers are actually a group of cyborg bad guys). They might also be called "The Purifiers" but only because that fits with their dealings with X-23 as well as the fact that they were created by William Stryker Anyways, back to Pierce. He actually did capture Professor X(and Tessa but I dont think that matters here) with his own mercs and as we see in the trailer, those mercs are all over the place.
Logan: As it has been stated many times before, the original Old Man Logan story line only serves as inspiration for Logan himself. If you haven't read it yet then I would highly recommend you do so, as it is probably one of the best Wolverine stories out there. Logan appears older and more weary because of what he has seen and been through. Its almost as if he has resigned to this fate of living in a post mutant world alone or with one friend and my thought is that his healing factor is tied to his emotional state. He has given up and it shows in his appearance.
X-23: Here we go, make sure your tinfoil hat, shirt and cape are all on cause this is were we go down the rabbit hole. My theory is that the little girl is not X-23 but Elsie-Dee and the Thing with the claws that we see is actually inspired by Albert. Who are Elsie-Dee and Albert I hear you ask? Well they are androids created by Donald Pierce Elsie-Dee was created to appear as a helpless child but was actually a bomb created to kill wolverine. Albert was a copy of Wolverine who was supposed to keep Logan busy in a fight while Elsie came up from behind and exploded. Both Elsie and Albert had a change of heart and became allies of Logan because they developed a moral center.
My theory in its entirety is that the little girl is actually Elise but named Laura so everyone thinks she is X-23(X-23's name is Laura Kinney) and the actual X-23 is based off the Albert character. Logan and her will fight, become friends, and then save Laura from Donald together all while learning the truth that Laura and X-23 are actually androids.
Im sure I could go into deeper analysis and break the trailer down scene by scene. But, Its late and it seems that this thread might have derailed into more of a how good of actor Hugh Jackman is. So, ill come back later and see if there is any more to add or any questions asked. I myself am really looking forward to this movie and am hoping that it ends Hugh Jackman's portrayal of Wolverine on a high note.
This is silly! Buttons are not how one escapes dungeons! I would smash the button and rain beatings liberally down on the wizard for playing such a trick!
It's more likely that it's Laura. The boy might be Daken. One of the scenes has Logan being pressed down by someone with 3 claws. Laura has 2. Daken has 3, one coming from his wrist.
Poor ignorant guardsmen, it be but one of many of the great miracles of the Emperor! The Emperor is magic, like Harry Potter, but more magic! A most real and true SPACE WIZARD! And for the last time... I'm not a space plumber.
Oh yeah I recall the Elsie-dee stroyline - that was quite fun.
I do like X-23 - her origin story is also pretty good.
This coud be very good
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The Grumpy Eldar wrote: It's more likely that it's Laura. The boy might be Daken. One of the scenes has Logan being pressed down by someone with 3 claws. Laura has 2. Daken has 3, one coming from his wrist.
Finally found a good high res screenshot of Logan on his back and I agree, I count six claws as well. So unless X-23 has her feet up there as well its gotta be Daken
Maybe Daken is the cyborg and Laura still follows essentially her origins story.
Or maybe I am completely wrong and I wasted all this Tinfoil.
This is silly! Buttons are not how one escapes dungeons! I would smash the button and rain beatings liberally down on the wizard for playing such a trick!
(PS: I know it was a bit of threadomancy...but it seems best to keep the thread alive, with all the discussion surrounding it)
No. no , right thing to do.
....cautiously optimistic about this still.
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