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It's a BABY snake. Yes, an Eastern brown that will probably still produce enough venom to kill an adult human, but still a baby. It's tiny. Maybe 8" long.
Well...
I guess only Aussies would call an 8" snake small.
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Oh my, i just had just seen that Australia has tarantulas... that along with the huntsman spider, feth that. I don't know how i even managed to sleep when i visited Australia now i think about it. I guess its mainly the outback where you find these things. Any way it's kind of amazing how none of these scary insects ever found there way to NZ, very grateful i am.
It's a BABY snake. Yes, an Eastern brown that will probably still produce enough venom to kill an adult human, but still a baby. It's tiny. Maybe 8" long.
Well...
I guess only Aussies would call an 8" snake small.
Stormatious wrote: I guess its mainly the outback where you find these things..
No, not at all. Our most dangerous spider lives in Sydney. And snakes get everywhere... I've seen three eastern brown snakes in my yard in the last couple of years, and we're in the suburbs.
Likewise, Redback spiders are fairly common all over the place, although their reputation is grossly inflated... Last time I did a first aid course, the general procedure for handling a Redback bite was 'wait and see what happens' because they generally don't bite deeply enough to get the venom in.
It's a BABY snake. Yes, an Eastern brown that will probably still produce enough venom to kill an adult human, but still a baby. It's tiny. Maybe 8" long.
Well...
I guess only Aussies would call an 8" snake small.
I mean, an 8 inch snake is pretty small man.....
I would call that a healthy medium sized snake.
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Stormatious wrote: I guess its mainly the outback where you find these things..
No, not at all. Our most dangerous spider lives in Sydney. And snakes get everywhere... I've seen three eastern brown snakes in my yard in the last couple of years, and we're in the suburbs.
Likewise, Redback spiders are fairly common all over the place, although their reputation is grossly inflated... Last time I did a first aid course, the general procedure for handling a Redback bite was 'wait and see what happens' because they generally don't bite deeply enough to get the venom in.
How do you resist the urge to, like, napalm your entire garden?
I would seriously be considering concrete if I lived in Aus
Stormatious wrote: I guess its mainly the outback where you find these things..
No, not at all. Our most dangerous spider lives in Sydney. And snakes get everywhere... I've seen three eastern brown snakes in my yard in the last couple of years, and we're in the suburbs.
Likewise, Redback spiders are fairly common all over the place, although their reputation is grossly inflated... Last time I did a first aid course, the general procedure for handling a Redback bite was 'wait and see what happens' because they generally don't bite deeply enough to get the venom in.
How do you resist the urge to, like, napalm your entire garden?
I would seriously be considering concrete if I lived in Aus
Honestly I think part of the issue is being British - whilst not unique to the UK it is one ecosystem where basically there is nothing to fear from wildilfe in general.
Sure if you take a wrong turn and manage to get close enough to a red deer and annoy it you might be in a world of pain, but chances are they will be long gone before you are any where near. Your greatest risk is ignoring a warning sign and going into a field with a bull or being daft and going into a field of cows with calves whilst walking your dog. Basically we don't have wolves, tigers, lions, bears, deadly spiders/snakes/bugs/insects/stuff. Sure adders carry a nasty bite and if you're allergic then a bee or wasp sting can be deadly too - but in general its a very safe environment. You've more to fear from people than animals.
So I think that you just don't learn a whole rafter of careful motions and measure that you grow up with and are thus second nature. Little things like how to store your shoes and checking them before putting them on etc.... Lots of little bits here and there that most living in more dangerous countries might well take for granted or just not think about doing when they do it.
Heck there's a Pepper Pig cartoon episode that wasn't allowed to be aired in Australia because it was focused around the idea of spiders being friendly and encouraged studying/picking them up - pretty much perfectly safe to do in the UK with almost no risk; a totally and utterly different story in Ozland where the spiders come loaded with enough power to fell a small army!!
It's a BABY snake. Yes, an Eastern brown that will probably still produce enough venom to kill an adult human, but still a baby. It's tiny. Maybe 8" long.
Well...
I guess only Aussies would call an 8" snake small.
Unless you're using 'snake' as a euphemism for something else, an eight-inch snake IS quite small. Most species range in the 3-4 FOOT range, so four to six TIMES the length...
Funnily enough, I have a similar reaction to the idea of living somewhere with bears and wolves and suchlike.
Our wildlife has lots of interesting ways to kill you, but for the most part the dangerous stuff is either easily avoided, will run away unless cornered, or can be dealt with through careful application of a shovel or a shoe.
Unless you're using 'snake' as a euphemism for something else, an eight-inch snake IS quite small. Most species range in the 3-4 FOOT range, so four to six TIMES the length...
I've dug up earthworms longer than eight inches.
Yeah, 8" is a hatchling. Eastern Browns generally grow to around 5' long.
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It's a BABY snake. Yes, an Eastern brown that will probably still produce enough venom to kill an adult human, but still a baby. It's tiny. Maybe 8" long.
Well...
I guess only Aussies would call an 8" snake small.
Unless you're using 'snake' as a euphemism for something else, an eight-inch snake IS quite small. Most species range in the 3-4 FOOT range, so four to six TIMES the length...
I've dug up earthworms longer than eight inches.
I suppose. Where I grew up the only commonly seen snake was a garter snake. Occasionally you'd see a big Gopher snake. And allegedly rattlers, but nobody around us ever saw one except during a drought.
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Stormatious wrote: I guess its mainly the outback where you find these things..
No, not at all. Our most dangerous spider lives in Sydney. And snakes get everywhere... I've seen three eastern brown snakes in my yard in the last couple of years, and we're in the suburbs.
Likewise, Redback spiders are fairly common all over the place, although their reputation is grossly inflated... Last time I did a first aid course, the general procedure for handling a Redback bite was 'wait and see what happens' because they generally don't bite deeply enough to get the venom in.
How do you resist the urge to, like, napalm your entire garden?
I would seriously be considering concrete if I lived in Aus
Since I moved to a place that is mostly concrete in the yard I’m sure I get even more critters in the house (mainly spiders).
8" is slightly smaller than the distance between my thumbtip and middle finger if I spread the fingers out. The largest redback I've seen had an overall footprint about the last joint of my thumb, legs included (body would have maybe been 8-10mm long), so yeah, 8 INCHES is a small snake here.
Especially when the adult EBs reach 12 times that ...
The redbacks don't get big enough to ever threaten even a juvenile brown snake.
Mygalomorphs, though, they can get quite large (this is the group that tarantula belong to, and funnel web spiders) and they get more aggressive the warmer their environment is (The "Sydney" Funnel web is found up and down the east coast of Oz, from the southern tip of Wilson's Promontory up to the tip of Cape York. The CY ones are larger and MORE aggressive than the southern ones).
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2019/03/10 10:05:08
Subject: Re:Australia continues to horrify the world
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Stormatious wrote: I guess its mainly the outback where you find these things..
No, not at all. Our most dangerous spider lives in Sydney. And snakes get everywhere... I've seen three eastern brown snakes in my yard in the last couple of years, and we're in the suburbs.
Likewise, Redback spiders are fairly common all over the place, although their reputation is grossly inflated... Last time I did a first aid course, the general procedure for handling a Redback bite was 'wait and see what happens' because they generally don't bite deeply enough to get the venom in.
So whens the last time you saw a huntsman or tarantula in your own property or house? And god damn snakes!!!!??, how did you get rid of them?. I know if i ever came across a tarantula or any huge spider in my house that would have me mentally scared for a long time jajaja.
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I don't think I've ever seen a tarantula. Huntsmen? All the time. We're in an older house, so there's no keeping them out. They're fine if you leave them alone... We have an arrangement: if they don't go into the bedrooms, I don't put them outside. Seems to work for everybody concerned.
Snakes - there's generally no need to get rid of them, they're just passing through. Browns are ornery when it's hot, but will still prefer to run away rather than bite unless you get too close. More likely to be hurt by the non-venomous tree snake that fell on me when I opened my front gate the other day without noticing it crawling along the top - but only from potential heart attack
Inside the house would be more of an issue, but I think it's been 25 years or so since I had a snake actually in the house.
2019/03/10 12:00:09
Subject: Re:Australia continues to horrify the world
This was on the bedroom window one morning, my wife jumped 10ft in the air. Fortunately it was on the outside of the inner door, though we have no idea how it got in or out of that space without one of us opening the door.
For reference, the area of my hand (ignoring the fingers) is about the size of the diamond-shaped spaces.
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chromedog wrote: Yes, an Eastern brown that will probably still produce enough venom to kill an adult human, but still a baby. It's tiny. Maybe 8" long.
Remember, Australia has given us some of the deadliest venoms on earth. The neurotoxic venom from a single 6" pacific cone shell is potent enough to kill 700 people, hypothetically. Even with medical treatment you're looking at 75% fatality rate in some areas, due to the over 100,000 different bioractive substances that make up cone shell venom.
Pseudonaja textilis (the eastern Brown) is interesting in that it's venom is both hemotoxic and neurotoxic and considered the second most toxic snake venom on Earth. Only about 20% of eastern Brown bites result in significant envenoming, but those that do are extremely dangerous and medical attention should be sought IMMEDIATELY as serious medical issues can begin within 15 minutes.
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Stormatious wrote: I guess its mainly the outback where you find these things..
No, not at all. Our most dangerous spider lives in Sydney. And snakes get everywhere... I've seen three eastern brown snakes in my yard in the last couple of years, and we're in the suburbs.
Likewise, Redback spiders are fairly common all over the place, although their reputation is grossly inflated... Last time I did a first aid course, the general procedure for handling a Redback bite was 'wait and see what happens' because they generally don't bite deeply enough to get the venom in.
So whens the last time you saw a huntsman or tarantula in your own property or house? And god damn snakes!!!!??, how did you get rid of them?. I know if i ever came across a tarantula or any huge spider in my house that would have me mentally scared for a long time jajaja.
I’ve never seen a tarantula, I don’t think they live in my area. Huntsmans are very common and like to wander into houses and cars, there was one sitting on the inside of my car a week or two ago.
Huntsman spiders will often wander into your house just before a storm, they sense it coming and look for shelter. They also like to come in pairs, if you see one there’s a good chance there’s another hiding somewhere. They’re harmless though.
Eastern browns, I’ve only seen a couple even though they are supposed to be common in my area. That said I may just not have seen them because they were hiding, I don’t think they like coming up and saying hello to people.
Wierd that you guys havn't seen tarantulas, i guess its because they mainly live underground or some thing. But yeah i am amazed that you guys can live among these creatures with no fear. Imagine just lifting your blanket to get in to bed, and there's that huntsman spider there, i cant even explain how crazy that is.
I would never search for lost coins in the crevices of sofas, never put on any shoes with out a good pounding on concrete to make sure there's nothing hiding in there. Any way good, i suppose not every one has phobias of spiders n stuff like i do.
Stormatious wrote: Wierd that you guys havn't seen tarantulas, i guess its because they mainly live underground or some thing. But yeah i am amazed that you guys can live among these creatures with no fear. Imagine just lifting your blanket to get in to bed, and there's that huntsman spider there, i cant even explain how crazy that is.
I would never search for lost coins in the crevices of sofas, never put on any shoes with out a good pounding on concrete to make sure there's nothing hiding in there. Any way good, i suppose not every one has phobias of spiders n stuff like i do.
Eh, I used to live in a place you'd find an eight foot long snake in those places. It's all in what you're used to. One time had a bloody black snake climb up the outside of the house, in through the open bathroom window, and curl up in my nice hot bath tub. Find that when you're buck naked.
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Stormatious wrote: Wierd that you guys havn't seen tarantulas, i guess its because they mainly live underground or some thing. But yeah i am amazed that you guys can live among these creatures with no fear. Imagine just lifting your blanket to get in to bed, and there's that huntsman spider there, i cant even explain how crazy that is.
I would never search for lost coins in the crevices of sofas, never put on any shoes with out a good pounding on concrete to make sure there's nothing hiding in there. Any way good, i suppose not every one has phobias of spiders n stuff like i do.
Eh, I used to live in a place you'd find an eight foot long snake in those places. It's all in what you're used to. One time had a bloody black snake climb up the outside of the house, in through the open bathroom window, and curl up in my nice hot bath tub. Find that when you're buck naked.
Not sure about that, you could have The Great Unclean One's walking around your country, don't know if getting used to that would be great looool.
Not sure about that, you could have The Great Unclean One's walking around your country, don't know if getting used to that would be great looool.
Just remember, they're probably eating things that are worse for you than they are. I remember one house that had a roach problem until lizards moved in. Then they were the house with the lizard problem. Which is much nicer than a roach problem.
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2019/03/11 02:57:14
Subject: Re:Australia continues to horrify the world
I'd still say the most dangerous Australian fauna you can ever come across is the garden variety Bogan. Thankfully you usually know one is in the area by the loud mating calls and the numerous stubbie bottles they decorate the area around their habitat with.
Stormatious wrote: Wierd that you guys havn't seen tarantulas, i guess its because they mainly live underground or some thing. But yeah i am amazed that you guys can live among these creatures with no fear. Imagine just lifting your blanket to get in to bed, and there's that huntsman spider there, i cant even explain how crazy that is.
I would never search for lost coins in the crevices of sofas, never put on any shoes with out a good pounding on concrete to make sure there's nothing hiding in there. Any way good, i suppose not every one has phobias of spiders n stuff like i do.
I would say I have mild arachnophobia in that if I see a huntsman I won’t want to approach or kill it or whatever, I’m certainly not one of those weirdos who just picks them up and takes them outside.
BUT, when one surprises you (eg see one climbing up the shirt I just put on or jumps out at me in my car) instinct takes over and I just instinctively flick it away without thinking about it or getting overly startled.
Though I have had times where I’ve had nightmares after killing a white tail that was in or near my bed. I don’t know if they’re actually all that dangerous but I’ve been raised to think they are.
Stormatious wrote: Wierd that you guys havn't seen tarantulas, i guess its because they mainly live underground or some thing. But yeah i am amazed that you guys can live among these creatures with no fear. Imagine just lifting your blanket to get in to bed, and there's that huntsman spider there, i cant even explain how crazy that is.
I would never search for lost coins in the crevices of sofas, never put on any shoes with out a good pounding on concrete to make sure there's nothing hiding in there. Any way good, i suppose not every one has phobias of spiders n stuff like i do.
I would say I have mild arachnophobia in that if I see a huntsman I won’t want to approach or kill it or whatever, I’m certainly not one of those weirdos who just picks them up and takes them outside.
BUT, when one surprises you (eg see one climbing up the shirt I just put on or jumps out at me in my car) instinct takes over and I just instinctively flick it away without thinking about it or getting overly startled.
Though I have had times where I’ve had nightmares after killing a white tail that was in or near my bed. I don’t know if they’re actually all that dangerous but I’ve been raised to think they are.
Had no idea that white tails were an ozzie import, they can give a nasty nip but generally its not a problem (no worse than a wasp sting for example) but some people have a reaction to them (or the bite necrotises the tissue) that can have some adverse effect. My brother has an area on his lower back about an inch square where the flesh has permanently puckered from a white tail bite and have seen a few people missing fingers, not sure if that's a kiwi thing only though as it might be caused by their local diet?
It's a BABY snake. Yes, an Eastern brown that will probably still produce enough venom to kill an adult human, but still a baby. It's tiny. Maybe 8" long.
Well...
I guess only Aussies would call an 8" snake small.
I mean, an 8 inch snake is pretty small man.....
I would call that a healthy medium sized snake.
You would? Where do you live at that that is a medium sized snake. Thats the size of a small grass snake. A six foot water moccasin would give you a heart attack...
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Baragash wrote: This was on the bedroom window one morning, my wife jumped 10ft in the air. Fortunately it was on the outside of the inner door, though we have no idea how it got in or out of that space without one of us opening the door.
For reference, the area of my hand (ignoring the fingers) is about the size of the diamond-shaped spaces.
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You would? Where do you live at that that is a medium sized snake. Thats the size of a small grass snake. A six foot water moccasin would give you a heart attack...
It's all in the level of threat. By comparison, that water moccasin would have to be over forty feet long to produce enough venom to have a comparable level of lethality. It might be tiny, but it's a whole different magnitude of dead if you get bit. Picture if a dozen diamondbacks AND a king cobra bit you at the same time.
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There ARE some local tarantula species, but they tend to be found up in the northern parts of the country.
There have been black snakes seen around my area, but no browns - we're too far from their normal habitat and surrounded by concrete expanses. That and local wedge-tails tend to keep snake numbers down.
Juvenile male Kangaroos do this all the time with each other. It's all about the macho posturing. That's an eastern grey (they don't get anywhere near the "Big Red" sizes, but they can still give you a nasty kick). They especially do it during the seasonal mating times.
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
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You would? Where do you live at that that is a medium sized snake. Thats the size of a small grass snake. A six foot water moccasin would give you a heart attack...
It's all in the level of threat. By comparison, that water moccasin would have to be over forty feet long to produce enough venom to have a comparable level of lethality. It might be tiny, but it's a whole different magnitude of dead if you get bit. Picture if a dozen diamondbacks AND a king cobra bit you at the same time.
You're misperceiving. I am not comparing the threat from a WM, vs. some Australian death snake. I am saying an 8 in snake is not medium sized in the US and the poster had an American flag. \
For the record, I am extremely concerned about a small WM or rattler. They inject all their poison, can kill you or your doggie dead, and don't have the sense older snakes have to get out of there.*
*Water Moccasins of course, do not leave. They are active aggressors. Nothing says WTF like one trying to climb into your boat.
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chromedog wrote: There ARE some local tarantula species, but they tend to be found up in the northern parts of the country.
There have been black snakes seen around my area, but no browns - we're too far from their normal habitat and surrounded by concrete expanses. That and local wedge-tails tend to keep snake numbers down.
Juvenile male Kangaroos do this all the time with each other. It's all about the macho posturing. That's an eastern grey (they don't get anywhere near the "Big Red" sizes, but they can still give you a nasty kick). They especially do it during the seasonal mating times.
Thats just rude.
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*Water Moccasins of course, do not leave. They are active aggressors. Nothing says WTF like one trying to climb into your boat.
I thought their aggressiveness was notoriously exaggerated and in reality they flee contact with humans more often than not, and those that don't tend towards aggressiveness displays but rarely actually attack unless handled?
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