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I'm a bit surprised there's not a thread I can find on this already - if I am missing a thread already discussing this, please let me know, as I don't want to create a duplicate thread.

At any rate, custodes. They seem good. They seem REALLY good. For 60 points, you get a storm shield terminator with WS5, S5, T5, 2W, eternal warrior, that can sweeping advance. Just a power sword, I suppose, or you can swap out the shield for an S6 AP2 spear, but overall, they seem extremely solid.

Do you seem them as a replacement for terminators, or a unit that can accomplish what terminators should? Are you interested in running them, and if so, how powerful do you think they'll be?

I play orks, so it's all moot to me, but they seem extremely good for their cost. Curious what others are saying.

My only issue is that they look straight out of AoS, except for the bolters on their melee weapons you can barely notice.

Looking at them on paper, theyre about what I would have expected in terms of stats and wargear and appropriately reflect what a Custodes should be I think. The fact that they have "power knives" (and that said Power knives are largely pointless yet somehow also arent any less effective than a sword) is somewhat ridiculous however

That said, theyre another reflection of insane power inflation as well. Individually for 50pts theyre a match for many, dramatically more expensive actual HQ units, and in older editions would have easily been 100pts each or more, a 5 man unit easily could have been half an army in 4E with those stats. They'll be able to play some ridiculous wound allocation gimmick games as well.

They're good and as you noted are surprisingly cheap for what their stats are. They also have some versatility, being able to have storm shield guys up front while the guardian spears hang out in the back slicing up people with I4 S6 AP2 attacks.

The main thing that seems to balance them, at least in 40k, is their lack of dedicated transports and their inability to be taken in a battle forged army. You have to really build a list around them to make them properly useful since even with Deep Strike their shooting is meh at best and requires investment on scatter mitigation and reserves manipulation. Then being bulky and an assault unit kind of forces you to take the only non-super heavy assault tank transport of the Land Raider which is itself a large investment that doesn't hold up that well in today's meta. It has to be the LRC as well since they don't assault or krak grenades base which many enemy units can take advantage of.

Adding in HQ's like Azrael to make up for their lack of a native invuln or someone to give FNP seems to be a must since otherwise they can get pretty smashed up in combat by dedicated CC units. They're also pretty easily handled by anything with a high AV like Knights, so they definitely are not an all-comers unit.

Bleh? They're bizarre and obnoxious straight upgrades on Assault Terminators. Also they look slightly ridiculous; I'd gotten so used to seeing HE-hat/Terminator conversions and slightly more normally-proportioned artwork that these overdecorated 40k Sigmarines are a bit grating.

I've been saying for years that T/Sv inflation isn't going to fix anything when everyone's one-Wound-per-model and it takes a single '1' to negate any durability advantage, I wish GW could have taken that lesson without pushing the T/Sv inflation along with it.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Bleh? They're bizarre and obnoxious straight upgrades on Assault Terminators. Also they look slightly ridiculous; I'd gotten so used to seeing HE-hat/Terminator conversions and slightly more normally-proportioned artwork that these overdecorated 40k Sigmarines are a bit grating.

I've been saying for years that T/Sv inflation isn't going to fix anything when everyone's one-Wound-per-model and it takes a single '1' to negate any durability advantage, I wish GW could have taken that lesson without pushing the T/Sv inflation along with it.

Well, that's the thing, these guys are 2W, with eternal warrior to boot.

You know, come to think of it, how exactly do these guys ally with imperium armies? Don't ally FOCs require you to bring 1 HQ and 1 troop? Can you just bring them as a standalone formation? Surely they're not just an elites choice for any imperium army.

Apparently they are only for Unbound Forces in 40k.

Thankfully, the Custodes are Unbound only.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2016/10/gw-answers-custodes-sisters-of-silence-allies-question.html

Personally, the the Sisters of Silence are more interesting to me than the Custodes. The Custodes are powerful and all, but the SoS seem like an alternative to Culexus assassins [albeit less efficient].

Like you said, the sisters seem just like units of culexus assassins. I guess more of them, but the rules are all identical, so it just doesn't seem as interesting as they don't bring much new to the scene.

Good to know they're unbound only, but that seems a little odd, I suppose. Cant think of anything else that has been unbound only.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Good to know they're unbound only, but that seems a little odd, I suppose. Cant think of anything else that has been unbound only.

This confuses me as well. I'm not sure why GW would do this since pretty much all 40k players and TO's loathe unbound. Why would they hamper the sale of their box by doing such a thing? (Well, besides the obvious make you buy the rest of the army/rules when they cone out.)

 Red_Ink_Cat wrote:

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Good to know they're unbound only, but that seems a little odd, I suppose. Cant think of anything else that has been unbound only.

This confuses me as well. I'm not sure why GW would do this since pretty much all 40k players and TO's loathe unbound. Why would they hamper the sale of their box by doing such a thing? (Well, besides the obvious make you buy the rest of the army/rules when they cone out.)

It's been stated multiple times by people with good track records that an 8th edition is in the works, which most likely will have similar FOC components as AOS which do not make as big of a distinction about things similar to "Bound" and "Unbound".

Realistically, the Custodes and Sisters of Silence will likely make an appearance somewhere down the line, whether as a single formation for each which would make them able to be taken as a 'Bound' option...but it won't likely be until said 8th edition or a Campaign book when the individual boxed sets are available for each.

Because the box is a 30k Box? Their rules for 30k are much more thought out that the 40k ones and it seems like the 40k ones are just there so that people that play 40k can use all the models in the box.

 Red_Ink_Cat wrote:

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Good to know they're unbound only, but that seems a little odd, I suppose. Cant think of anything else that has been unbound only.

This confuses me as well. I'm not sure why GW would do this since pretty much all 40k players and TO's loathe unbound. Why would they hamper the sale of their box by doing such a thing? (Well, besides the obvious make you buy the rest of the army/rules when they cone out.)

GW doesnt really have a hand in or care about events they dont run, even if thats 99% of events. As far as GW is concerned, Unbound is no less acceptable than anything else, and the rules dont matter anyway.

...thanks GW

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Red_Ink_Cat wrote:

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Good to know they're unbound only, but that seems a little odd, I suppose. Cant think of anything else that has been unbound only.

This confuses me as well. I'm not sure why GW would do this since pretty much all 40k players and TO's loathe unbound. Why would they hamper the sale of their box by doing such a thing? (Well, besides the obvious make you buy the rest of the army/rules when they cone out.)

GW doesnt really have a hand in or care about events they dont run, even if thats 99% of events. As far as GW is concerned, Unbound is no less acceptable than anything else, and the rules dont matter anyway.

...thanks GW

Yeah... I know.

[overly dramatic voice] But I thought GW had changed! [/overly dramatic voice]

Oh well, guess the SO and I are not splitting the box then. *Shrugs* And if the Sisters are going to be $50 or $60 for a box of five, GW can keep them. That's waaaay too near point/dollar parity for me to consider picking up a whole new army that is not a different version of Eldar.

But yes, I agree that the Custodes are really good. Maybe a bit too good, but GW is going to GW. Custodes are just the latest shiney, brandy new marines.

 Kanluwen wrote:

It's been stated multiple times by people with good track records that an 8th edition is in the works, which most likely will have similar FOC components as AOS which do not make as big of a distinction about things similar to "Bound" and "Unbound".

Realistically, the Custodes and Sisters of Silence will likely make an appearance somewhere down the line, whether as a single formation for each which would make them able to be taken as a 'Bound' option...but it won't likely be until said 8th edition or a Campaign book when the individual boxed sets are available for each.

I honestly only have a passing familiarity with AoS, and I don't doubt that both 8th is on the way and that it will potentially have some 'sigmarification', for better or worse.

Could you give a broad overview of AoS FOC components, and have you heard any theories on how it could apply to40k? All I know is the word 'warscrolls', which I think is like a formation.

They seem good but not great? You'd certainly see them coming from a mile away. They'll murder units in CC up to a point, but unless I'm mistaken they can't damage a Knight, as they max out at S 6.

Seems like elite infantry to murder elite infantry. Neat but not crazy.

I like they they are less cartooney than the Grey Knights became.

Eh, the models are pretty cartoony, moreso than the GK minis I think, but Im glad they havent gotten the fluff butchery that was done to the GK's (yet...)

Custodes are really bad. There's nothing they can do in today's 40k that is useful. And they do their nothing while costing a zillion points.

Honestly I'm not terribly impressed by them. They have no grenades, so will go last in meelee if they charge into cover. They have no delivery system that won't leave them standing in the open getting shot up for a turn. Their stats themselves are actually roughly comparable to deathwing knights.

Just as a comparison:

-DW knights get stubborn, hammer of wrath, come with ability to swing str 8 ap2 at initiative if they sacrifice other attacks, can buy adamantine will, +1T if in base to base contact, stormshields standard
-Custodies get fearless, standard AP2 weapons, bolters (big woop), same Weapon Skill, must pay for stormshields, etc...

Anyone want to try to mathhammer who would come out on top if 250 points of Custodies with stormshields got into meelee with 250 pts of DW knights?

I 100% agree they look cartoony (far more so than GK) and AoS'y, and I honestly overlooked the lack of grenades.

However, I think they would totally wreck deathwing knights, simply due to their 2W.

Hell, IDK, seems like people have been crying about getting 2W terminators for years now, and now that they are here (kind of), I'm a bit surprised by the lukewarm reception.

But like I said, I play orks, and I think they would be a major pain to deal with, for whatever that's worth.

Though, even a simple deff dread could keep them busy for some time, I suppose. They do lack any sort of anti-armor, as has been mentioned. Could be supplemented by certain HQs.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Eh, the models are pretty cartoony, moreso than the GK minis I think, but Im glad they havent gotten the fluff butchery that was done to the GK's (yet...)

Conceptually maybe, all the eagles and gold and wings and what not, but their poses seem far better than the GK awkwardly waving their arms around. I'm not a fan of most Terminator kits, tbh.

 chrispy1991 wrote:
Honestly I'm not terribly impressed by them. They have no grenades, so will go last in meelee if they charge into cover. They have no delivery system that won't leave them standing in the open getting shot up for a turn. Their stats themselves are actually roughly comparable to deathwing knights.

Just as a comparison:

-DW knights get stubborn, hammer of wrath, come with ability to swing str 8 ap2 at initiative if they sacrifice other attacks, can buy adamantine will, +1T if in base to base contact, stormshields standard
-Custodies get fearless, standard AP2 weapons, bolters (big woop), same Weapon Skill, must pay for stormshields, etc...

Anyone want to try to mathhammer who would come out on top if 250 points of Custodies with stormshields got into meelee with 250 pts of DW knights?

The 2W and Eternal Warrior is the really big selling point for Custodes in comparisons. Some other Elite CC units have two wounds, but not being ID'd by certain heavy weapons (or PFist equivalents in melee) is a nice bonus for the math-hammering. But yeah, they're not amazing.

Theyre ok. Their tough against small arms fire but to get them an invul gets expensive fast and they will need to hitch a ride from someone else or they are never going to make it to combat.

The unbound thing makes sense considering they're the Emperor's personal bodyguard so it would be weird to see them fighting outside of Terra. Then again, what 40k players care about narrative these days?

Christ, 2 units are released as unbound only and half of you decide that GW is back to being super satan. Being that they are 30k units first, 40k units as an after thought, we can assume that the "unbound only" title is probably temporary.

 Brennonjw wrote:
Christ, 2 units are released as unbound only and half of you decide that GW is back to being super satan. Being that they are 30k units first, 40k units as an after thought, we can assume that the "unbound only" title is probably temporary.

Oh chill out with the accusations there.

I was being sarcastic if the giant bookends on my statement did not give that much away.

And I don't play 30k because my 40k region already suffers from the blandness of marine fatigue. Why should I play a different game that just gives me more of the same, if not in a slightly better package, especially when it requires a large up-front investment in models I find atrociously boring? If the rumors of 30k sisters as a whole army are true, I might buy in, but I'm one of those people who doesn't believe anything until I see it for myself.

I did not claim GW was back to being satan. (Mind you, I don't actually think they are evil, as much as I might joke that they are the evil empirical perveyers of plastic crack.) I just find their decisions odd and like to analyze them.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Red_Ink_Cat wrote:

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Good to know they're unbound only, but that seems a little odd, I suppose. Cant think of anything else that has been unbound only.

This confuses me as well. I'm not sure why GW would do this since pretty much all 40k players and TO's loathe unbound. Why would they hamper the sale of their box by doing such a thing? (Well, besides the obvious make you buy the rest of the army/rules when they cone out.)

GW doesnt really have a hand in or care about events they dont run, even if thats 99% of events. As far as GW is concerned, Unbound is no less acceptable than anything else, and the rules dont matter anyway.

...thanks GW

Unbound is part of the rules and therefore legal. I don't understand the issue.

Yes You loose command benefit and si manu detachement are better if someone would have and use them in an unbound army i ses no trouble with si much powerfull things around this days.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Red_Ink_Cat wrote:

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
Good to know they're unbound only, but that seems a little odd, I suppose. Cant think of anything else that has been unbound only.

This confuses me as well. I'm not sure why GW would do this since pretty much all 40k players and TO's loathe unbound. Why would they hamper the sale of their box by doing such a thing? (Well, besides the obvious make you buy the rest of the army/rules when they cone out.)

GW doesnt really have a hand in or care about events they dont run, even if thats 99% of events. As far as GW is concerned, Unbound is no less acceptable than anything else, and the rules dont matter anyway.

...thanks GW

Unbound is part of the rules and therefore legal. I don't understand the issue.

Nobody was saying the rules werent "legal". The point was that amongst the playerbase there is a heavy aversion to Unbound (right or wrong) and basically zero events outside of Warhammer world that allow Unbound. It's another case of GW writing rules for units that dont take into account the realities of how the game is actually played by most people.

It's like Bugatti coming out with a trailer hitch for a Veyrone, yeah technically there may be nothing wrong with it, *someone* might use it... but thats not really going to jive for most customers.

 Red_Ink_Cat wrote:

 Brennonjw wrote:
Christ, 2 units are released as unbound only and half of you decide that GW is back to being super satan. Being that they are 30k units first, 40k units as an after thought, we can assume that the "unbound only" title is probably temporary.

Oh chill out with the accusations there.

I was being sarcastic if the giant bookends on my statement did not give that much away.

And I don't play 30k because my 40k region already suffers from the blandness of marine fatigue. Why should I play a different game that just gives me more of the same, if not in a slightly better package, especially when it requires a large up-front investment in models I find atrociously boring? If the rumors of 30k sisters as a whole army are true, I might buy in, but I'm one of those people who doesn't believe anything until I see it for myself.

I did not claim GW was back to being satan. (Mind you, I don't actually think they are evil, as much as I might joke that they are the evil empirical perveyers of plastic crack.) I just find their decisions odd and like to analyze them.

Not specifically dedicated towards you, but it's still a thing that happens way to much with this community. One thing is done that people dislike (point in case: people are already whining on facebook about a lack of xenos releases a week or 2 after an entire xenos army launches), and the dam bursts with complaints, I just question why.

on a 30k side note: 30k has lots of marines, yes, but also: knights, daemons, 3-4 different kinds of mechanicum, 2 different kinds of IG, Custodes, and sisters as a small army (not rumored. they will be part of the next HH book). 18 legions (that most all play fairly differently) and 10 other armies, and a cheaper buy-in than 40k (40 for the codex, 150 for either BaC or Prospero) isn't just "more of just the same"

Sob were not around until m36, it'd be one Hell of a retcon to have them in the HH.

Well they are better than Mutilators.