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I've been looking at a few of the Conan models. I have to say that I'm surprised and impressed. Usually KS models by this point in time have me either saying "yep, these are decent" or being unsurprised at being unimpressed. Lovely, fine details on these.

I almost can't believe they're in a form of BG plastic or from a Kickstarter. So speaking for myself on the Mythic Battles KS, I'll be all in.

I've talked to a few folks who attended Mythic Battles play-test events, and it seems the get absolutely glowing reviews. By all accounts it kills something like Imperial Assault in the space of "competitive/tournament play miniature/board-game". Great balance, tons of build diversity, and macro and meta game strategy.

I was already in for "everything" but comments like that make me think the game might even see a proper competitive community grow up around it.

Sounds like Mythic Battles is in a good place.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Sounds like Mythic Battles is in a good place.

It does indeed.

I was wondering why I really love the concept and execution of this game; I think the fact that it's based on the longest running "property" in the western world (well, Egyptian, I suppose and my knowledge of eastern myths and legends is sorely lacking), but it makes Tolkien look like a flash in the pan.

It's a boardgame on a 2'x2' board so I can play on my dining table and don't have to go Full Wargame to set it up.

The premise behind the game is as plausible as anything is in Greek mythology, so I can buy into that.

Most of the miniature design comes under my "good to really good" level of subjective appreciation. There's the odd design that I'd describe as "Eh... It'll do...", but for the most part I really, really like them.

Can't say that I'm interested in competitive play at the moment, but it will be really interesting to see if anything comes of it.

I really like the draft system, as well as the ease of set up and play. Doesn't hurt that the minis are gorgeous

Due to funds I backed out, but any idea if they will open the pledge manager up for late pledgers? I didn't see it anywhere on the Kickstarter main page or their homepage.

Thanks

 Theophony wrote:
Due to funds I backed out, but any idea if they will open the pledge manager up for late pledgers? I didn't see it anywhere on the Kickstarter main page or their homepage.

Thanks

Here's the English part of the FB post that went up on 14th January (cut a little non-relevant paragraph off the end of it for brevity).



Mythic Party... and announcement of the Pledge Manager!

It was wild last night at the Waaagh Tavern for the Mythic Party which deserved its name: over 150 attendants, many guests of honor, drinking and eating for everyone, laughter, fiery discussions, beautiful figurines, games of Mythic Battles: Pantheon, high quality posters signed by the artists who were there, gifts for everyone... and the famous announcement of the Pledge Manager that everyone was waiting for! Here it is:
The Pledge Manager of Mythic Battles: Pantheon will launch on Monday, January 30, 2017. It will be also come with a special Store Pledge (different from the KS, with retail offers without Stretch Goals) and a Late Pledge for those who missed the Kickstarter. Before that, to familiarize yourself with the interface, you will receive a test on January 23, a kind of rehearsal before the real Pledge Manager begins. During this test, you will be able to "act as if" you really order the products... at no risk. This will make it possible to see if everything is going well, and if you encounter problems or have questions, you can easily contact us, so that everything is ready and perfectly functional on D-Day. We chose to use the Pledge Manager named Fluent (who just managed the Vikings gone wild Kickstarter).

 Chillreaper wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
Due to funds I backed out, but any idea if they will open the pledge manager up for late pledgers? I didn't see it anywhere on the Kickstarter main page or their homepage.

Thanks

Here's the English part of the FB post that went up on 14th January (cut a little non-relevant paragraph off the end of it for brevity).



Mythic Party... and announcement of the Pledge Manager!

It was wild last night at the Waaagh Tavern for the Mythic Party which deserved its name: over 150 attendants, many guests of honor, drinking and eating for everyone, laughter, fiery discussions, beautiful figurines, games of Mythic Battles: Pantheon, high quality posters signed by the artists who were there, gifts for everyone... and the famous announcement of the Pledge Manager that everyone was waiting for! Here it is:
The Pledge Manager of Mythic Battles: Pantheon will launch on Monday, January 30, 2017. It will be also come with a special Store Pledge (different from the KS, with retail offers without Stretch Goals) and a Late Pledge for those who missed the Kickstarter. Before that, to familiarize yourself with the interface, you will receive a test on January 23, a kind of rehearsal before the real Pledge Manager begins. During this test, you will be able to "act as if" you really order the products... at no risk. This will make it possible to see if everything is going well, and if you encounter problems or have questions, you can easily contact us, so that everything is ready and perfectly functional on D-Day. We chose to use the Pledge Manager named Fluent (who just managed the Vikings gone wild Kickstarter).

thanks chillreaper

Anyone play with the pledge manager yet?

Shipping seems... high, to say the least.

Not liking that I can't upgrade my pledge. Or if i can, I haven't figured it out yet...

I've messed with it a bit. I only pledged $1 so I can add everything I want no problem.

With the base game, and the big Daddy Typhon pledge, the S&H was like $85.

Yea, I am getting 70$ shipping with the 'All the game content pledge." That is... not what I was expecting or hoping for. I am debating whether I want to cut some of that content to pay for shipping, because 70$ is really salty. That's like a Kingdom Death expansion right there.

What was the name of the add-on level to the GOD PLEDGE in order to get all of the game content?

The titan bundle gave you everything game related.

The typhon bundle gave you EVERYTHING.

...aaaaaand it seems the PM has been closed for the remainder of the week as there were shipping issues with the PM.

Huh.

 Alpharius wrote:
What was the name of the add-on level to the GOD PLEDGE in order to get all of the game content?

Just get the Typhon one:

1) you know you want too

2) it's only another $100, and money grows on trees

3) it's not like you play any other systems that eat your money like 40k or Infinity

4) it's what all the cool kids are doing

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
What was the name of the add-on level to the GOD PLEDGE in order to get all of the game content?

Just get the Typhon one:

1) you know you want too

2) it's only another $100, and money grows on trees

3) it's not like you play any other systems that eat your money like 40k or Infinity

4) it's what all the cool kids are doing

Speaking of which, didn't Typhon inherantly just lose a bunch of value ($20ish?) by them going... "oh, having a mountain of stat clips proved stupid, our mistake!" and just pulling them without replacing it with something else?

http://www.beastsofwar.com/lets-play/mythic-battles-pantheon-game1/

A full length, without cuts, battle-report between Leo and Benoit shows a little more of what serious competitive play could look like.

I realize I am extremely late to the party.

This would have been right up my alley... but isn't the amount of KS exclusive stuff just a shot in the foot?

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I realize I am extremely late to the party.

This would have been right up my alley... but isn't the amount of KS exclusive stuff just a shot in the foot?

They haven't ruled out those models becoming prizes for organized play/participation items for retail, further convention exclusives etc...

Plus it needs be said that since the primary tournament mode of play will be draft based (its core to the game), someone owning a KS exclusive doesn't necessarily even mean they would get to play it. Their own opponent could draft it from that game's pool. In play-testing, we're told this kept the impact of exclusives, limited.

Beyond that, I think they said the exclusives will probably come up with alternative sculpts in the future.

It's not the impact on game play that I was worried about, it's the stiff curtailing on many popular mythical elements from a game supposed to be based on a rich heritage.

For instance, the Titanomachia is a central theme to the genesis of the Pantheon, but the only Titan is... a kickstarter exclusive? Wha... ?

Amen for alternate sculpts, but I truly wonder how much the fact that they are kickstarter exclusive vs. just being available period influenced people to bid.

That is probably different for each individual, others back things on KS because they will never come in their country, others for the exclusives, others for the discount and cheaper shipping, others because they like the project, others to get it early, others because they believe they can influence the game, ectr, ectr.

The rise of titans witch has 4 of them in there is not KS exclusive so out of 5 only 1 is KS exclusive.

So bad example on my part. But Apollo? The Nemean Lion? Ica-motherfething-rus?

But you're proving my point a bit with your first sentence.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
So bad example on my part. But Apollo? The Nemean Lion? Ica-motherfething-rus?

But you're proving my point a bit with your first sentence.

I know exactly what you mean, and it is the reason I have been put off getting into Zombicide, where the high number of KS exclusives made it unpalatable to collect if you didn't get in on the KS from day one. Here it is even worse, because those units that will (for some time / forever) be unavailable to non-KS backers have more significance to the game. I *did* back Mythic Battles and I am still struggling with this problem. There are only 3 add-ons that I really want (and can afford to add on) but I will be missing out on several others that may not become available again, or expansions that will be missing a KS-exclusive unit from the box. It is fiendishly clever!

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
So bad example on my part. But Apollo? The Nemean Lion? Ica-motherfething-rus?

But you're proving my point a bit with your first sentence.

It's in the BASE pledge.Cough up the $100 and get in the game.

The Late Pledge is open.

Basically all I see is someone bitching for the sake of bitching. If you want them so damn bad, it's open.... get them.

God forbid you wait until it goes retail, then just proxy with some other Apollo mini....

Same thing with Sly about Zombicide. Sure, there were a lot of KS exclusives, sorry you missed them. However in that game, they make NO impact outside of using a different mini. If it's that big of a deal, either pony up the cash for the mini, or buy the cards (which are cheap and everywhere) and use your own mini.

Its also worth noting that Benoit expects this line to span literally decades and include many world Pantheons. So I suspect there will be alternate ways to officially get any content, as they won't permanently gate access to such "famous" units, for a francise that they hope to sell for a long, long time to come.

Fact is... we'll have Mythic Battles: Ragnarok on KS before all of the first KS is even out at retail, and it sounds like they legit want skus coming out constantly.

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
So bad example on my part. But Apollo? The Nemean Lion? Ica-motherfething-rus?

But you're proving my point a bit with your first sentence.

It's in the BASE pledge.Cough up the $100 and get in the game.

The Late Pledge is open.

Basically all I see is someone bitching for the sake of bitching. If you want them so damn bad, it's open.... get them.

God forbid you wait until it goes retail, then just proxy with some other Apollo mini...

Same thing with Sly about Zombicide. Sure, there were a lot of KS exclusives, sorry you missed them. However in that game, they make NO impact outside of using a different mini. If it's that big of a deal, either pony up the cash for the mini, or buy the cards (which are cheap and everywhere) and use your own mini.

People arent saying they cant get them, but rather that it's bad for the long term health of the game of prominent characters are made unavailable to keep them exclusive. Imagine teaching the game to a new player months later, who didnt even know about the kickstarter, and explaining "Sorry dude, Apollo, Persephone, Pegasus, etc are all KS exclusives". With a boardgame, particularly a co-op one, it matters less than in a tournament where there might be some OP KS exclusive combo you'll get hosed by because you didnt buy in a few years earlier. I'm vaguely aware there's some kind of draft thing to help with this, but its a general psychology issue.

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
So bad example on my part. But Apollo? The Nemean Lion? Ica-motherfething-rus?

But you're proving my point a bit with your first sentence.

It's in the BASE pledge.Cough up the $100 and get in the game.

The Late Pledge is open.

Basically all I see is someone bitching for the sake of bitching. If you want them so damn bad, it's open.... get them.

God forbid you wait until it goes retail, then just proxy with some other Apollo mini...

Same thing with Sly about Zombicide. Sure, there were a lot of KS exclusives, sorry you missed them. However in that game, they make NO impact outside of using a different mini. If it's that big of a deal, either pony up the cash for the mini, or buy the cards (which are cheap and everywhere) and use your own mini.

People arent saying they cant get them, but rather that it's bad for the long term health of the game of prominent characters are made unavailable to keep them exclusive. Imagine teaching the game to a new player months later, who didnt even know about the kickstarter, and explaining "Sorry dude, Apollo, Persephone, Pegasus, etc are all KS exclusives". With a boardgame, particularly a co-op one, it matters less than in a tournament where there might be some OP KS exclusive combo you'll get hosed by because you didnt buy in a few years earlier. I'm vaguely aware there's some kind of draft thing to help with this, but its a general psychology issue.

Oh good, so I'm not alone in seeing this as a potential problem.

And heaven forbid I would want those minis for another game and just want to be able to grab the Apollo expansion at retail for, say, Of Gods and Mortals. I have been looking high and low for good, rightly scaled Zeus (Zeusii?) Athena, Ares and such models. It's the models themselves that I want. And I know that the world revolves around the USA, we all know that, but shipping to the Verge of the Known Universe (ie your closest neighbour) is prohibitive, to say the least. So to get a bit of everything would cost a lot closer to, what 4-500$ of my monopoly money?

So the root of the problem is you don't want to spend X amount of money to get what you want. Compiled by the fact you can't seem to get the ONE mini you want for something else?

S&H is what it is, they've adjusted it once already. Mine got cut in half.

As for long term there's 2 avenues here. Going forward there will be at least 2, if not 3, Pantheons to pick from so the lack of Gods won't be a problem. Second, exclusives now, don't mean exclusive forever. It could turn out that it's KS exclusive meaning only exclusive in the starter box via the KS. It could just mean that the future starter box won't have him in it in retail, not that it won't be a stand-alone ever.

I can't believe that you believe there will never be an Apollo mini for the game unless you get it now in the KS.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I realize I am extremely late to the party.

This would have been right up my alley... but isn't the amount of KS exclusive stuff just a shot in the foot?

er not if you backed it no

In fact as a KS backer its realy nice. There is usually a benefit for stumping up the money to make the game.

Now if you didn;t back then its annoying I guess - but it may be available in the next KS or they might do another version of the character you want in a future release / KS.

 TalonZahn wrote:
So the root of the problem is you don't want to spend X amount of money to get what you want. Compiled by the fact you can't seem to get the ONE mini you want for something else?

S&H is what it is, they've adjusted it once already. Mine got cut in half.

As for long term there's 2 avenues here. Going forward there will be at least 2, if not 3, Pantheons to pick from so the lack of Gods won't be a problem. Second, exclusives now, don't me exclusive forever. It could turn out that it's KS exclusive meaning only exclusive in the starter box via the KS. It could just mean that the future starter box won't have him in it in retail, not that it won't be a stand-alone ever.

I can't believe that you believe there will never be an Apollo mini for the game unless you get it now in the KS.

Shipping concerns aside, the point stands that exclusive units are a questionable move for a wargame that wants to grow an audience past the kickstarter. Its why most PVP video games seem to just offer new skins for pre-orders. If they plan on releasing alt minis w the same stat, that's great, but that hasn't been communicated, other than the Paolo box Aprodite/Circe. Barriers to growth can and should be weighed when deciding whether or not to buy in.

FWIW, I'll end up being all in on exclusive gameplay stuff (and the Paolo box.. it was actually the pigs that sold that one). But I'm not worried about playing in a game store (or even really playing as little as I game nowadays).