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For bad synapseless tyranids, I'd probably go with hormagaunts over rippers.
They do more damage to themselves via instinctive behaviour (on average, just under half the unit will die each time they roll Cannibalistic Hunger), plus they aren't natively fearless, so might even fall back after killing themselves.

Plus their upgrades are expensive. 10 points per gaunt is horrendous.


Big units of 12 point termagants just walking backwards off the table on turn 1 is pretty funny too.

I'll definately go for 1850 pts of synapseless Hormagaunts - as said, just sit back and watch how they eat themselves and leftovers fall back.

Fluff-wise, Eldar army of nine Avatars of Khaine will die to any single imperial hero...

One Eldar "troll concept" - go first, field an entire army of Swooping Hawks led by Baharroth, wait for your opponent to field his 185 servitors, and then Skyleap them all away in the first movement phase.

 troa wrote:
Someone should try that drop-pod list and let us know how it goes. You'd have what, 52 drop pods? Or a few less if you took some missiles on them.

Only a madman owns over 50 drop pods. I could see it actually winning games with the new faq. Those things are huge chunks of impassable terrain you can cage your opponent in with. Every one that wrecks instead of exploding is going to be maddening.

 Ratius wrote:
All Grots? No armor, slow, weak and terribad LD.
Although I'd put them up against that conscript list for fun

This... is the game that i was fated to play

Destiny

I don't know how bad it is because I don't play yet, but I would imagine an army of nothing but plague zombies would be bad

 TheLumberJack wrote:
I don't know how bad it is because I don't play yet, but I would imagine an army of nothing but plague zombies would be bad

You could make a semi-functional joke list with them using the IA5 horde detachment (the only place you're allowed more than one unit). 3+ cover/4+ FNP on a Fearless 3pt model is actually fairly scary, even if they're slow and have very limited hitting power.

I made a mistake with my suggestion. All bloodbrides with max upgrades and unit size instead of normal Wyches
Gotta get that extra cost on garbage

Realistically that you might see? Any fething special snowflake list that takes one of everything for supposed balance.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Realistically that you might see? Any fething special snowflake list that takes one of everything for supposed balance.

...This is an odd stance to be taking? Some armies a 'one of everything' list isn't actually legal since you can't make a CAD with one Troops choice, some armies a 'one of everything' list is more competitive than entire Codexes. Do you have a specific example in mind?

Well, there's my entire Kroot Merc army that doesn't have modern rules, and even if they did, my carnivores suddenly turned from close combat monsters into shooters?

 Pouncey wrote:

 Drk_Oblitr8r wrote:

 BBAP wrote:
Codex: SPESS MEHRENS:

FA - Drop Pod
FA - Drop Pod
FA - Drop Pod
FA - Drop Pod
FA - Drop Pod
FA - Drop Pod
.... and suchforth. Auto-lose, and even if you houserule that away you still have an army of immobile Storm Bolter platforms.

Half would come in turn one, and can lock your opponent down while they try and bust through to any objectives you have under more drop pods.

"OUR DROP PODS WILL BLOT OUT THE SUN!"

"And then the Space Marines emerge and wipe out the survivors who were not crushed in the barrage?"

"N-no. It's just the drop pods. They're all empty."

"Is this that famed Space Marine cunning battle strategizing bewildering me as to some hidden aspect of the plan?"

The worst would be to charge with the shooters and to shoot with the cc units/models.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Realistically that you might see? Any fething special snowflake list that takes one of everything for supposed balance.

...This is an odd stance to be taking? Some armies a 'one of everything' list isn't actually legal since you can't make a CAD with one Troops choice, some armies a 'one of everything' list is more competitive than entire Codexes. Do you have a specific example in mind?

Some armies have multiple troop choices, but otherwise they'd maybe go for something like, in a SoB army, 3 squads of 10 sisters all with different special weapons, including the Storm Bolter. After that, instead of redundancy and threat saturation, you get one of each unit. So in the Heavy Support slot they'd pick 1 Exorcist, 1 Devastator equivalent (I forget the name) and one Engine.

OK so using the following limitations army must include one non-vehicle unit.
Army cannot be an auto-lose army. In other words can't just use things that must start in reserve.

Adepta Sororitas (116 points)
Ministorum Priest (2x Shotgun, Melta Bomb, Warlord, Cloak of St Aspira)
2x Ministorum Priest (2x Shotgun, Melta Bomb)
Fortifications (1730 points)
Wall of Martyr Imperial Defense Network each consisting of:
- 3x Bunkers (Comms Relay, Escape Hatch, Magos Machine Spirit, 6x Tank Traps)
- 3x Imperial Defense Emplacements (6x Tank Traps)
- 4x imperial Defense Line (6x Tank Traps)

3 grizzled old men dual wielding shotguns sitting in front of a massive defense system.

That could be a mildly fun scenario. You could do a 2000-2500 point game with around 5 Chapter Masters and the second player buys nothing but Typhus and zombies.

 Happyjew wrote:
3 grizzled old men dual wielding shotguns sitting in front of a massive defense system.

Alternatively, three nutty religious survivalist Zealots sitting behind a massive defence system ready to fight off the gub'mint when they come to take their guns away.

I like it.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Realistically that you might see? Any fething special snowflake list that takes one of everything for supposed balance.

...This is an odd stance to be taking? Some armies a 'one of everything' list isn't actually legal since you can't make a CAD with one Troops choice, some armies a 'one of everything' list is more competitive than entire Codexes. Do you have a specific example in mind?

Some armies have multiple troop choices, but otherwise they'd maybe go for something like, in a SoB army, 3 squads of 10 sisters all with different special weapons, including the Storm Bolter. After that, instead of redundancy and threat saturation, you get one of each unit. So in the Heavy Support slot they'd pick 1 Exorcist, 1 Devastator equivalent (I forget the name) and one Engine.

Yeah, but I could take a fluffy special-snowflake Biel-Tan Great Court (one of each Aspect, an extra DA unit and a Phoenix Lord to be a legal detachment, and the Avatar) and end up with a fairly playable list that'd fail at being the worst army here by stomping other proposed lists. Some armies may be terrible at Highlander (the technical name for a no-duplicates format) but some armies can make workable lists out of it.

Worst army?:

Squats.

It had to be said.

Had an apoc game year back I didn't really want to be a part of but couldn't get out of. I took an inquisitor and hid him up the back and the rest of my force was nothing but orbital barrages and lances- back in the days of the witch hunter dex. Think there was about 14 of those things.

Use csm in a csm army.

 salix_fatuus wrote:
Spam only flyers (any kind). You will lose turn one for not having any units on the table.

See also Deathwing...

 Happyjew wrote:
OK so using the following limitations army must include one non-vehicle unit.
Army cannot be an auto-lose army. In other words can't just use things that must start in reserve.

Adepta Sororitas (116 points)
Ministorum Priest (2x Shotgun, Melta Bomb, Warlord, Cloak of St Aspira)
2x Ministorum Priest (2x Shotgun, Melta Bomb)
Fortifications (1730 points)
Wall of Martyr Imperial Defense Network each consisting of:
- 3x Bunkers (Comms Relay, Escape Hatch, Magos Machine Spirit, 6x Tank Traps)
- 3x Imperial Defense Emplacements (6x Tank Traps)
- 4x imperial Defense Line (6x Tank Traps)

3 grizzled old men dual wielding shotguns sitting in front of a massive defense system.

This is truly awesome

For 30k (if we're allowing unbound), spam tactical support squads with plasma guns. Stupidly expensive and you'll probably kill half of your army on turn 1. And against the conscript spam list you couldn't put out enough wounds to kill them all after 50% decrease.

Pushing the 'stupidly overpriced' angle I can make Deathwatch Veterans 82pts each with no guns. How's a legal 1,500pt army consisting of sixteen footslogging Marines and one footslogging Captain with two thunderhammers each and no guns between them sound?

(I tried Ultras Fulmentarii, but they're not actually allowed the autocannon and the Cyclone launcher at the same time and they were just too good.)

If you take the farsight enclave you can get crisis suits as troops. An upgraded crisis suit with velocity tracker, shield generator and drone controller cost 83 points each. That is no guns and a ws2 I2. he does have S5 T4 A2 and sv3+ but very few minimum sized units will fail to kill him. You can have two ethereals as your HQ which actually award the opponent VPs for if they die.

Remember in the worst army any unit that has numbers is a potential killing machine. A huge unit of marker drones still has the ability to kill things in CC off their multiple ws2 s3 attacks.

Nothing but bare bones guardsmen platoons.
With a CCS of course.


It would be a ton of dudes, but with nothing but lasguns.. besides infantry it couldn't hurt a fly.

An army of just chaos furies, daemonic instability on every combat, your army will implode by turn 3

 Happyjew wrote:
OK so using the following limitations army must include one non-vehicle unit.
Army cannot be an auto-lose army. In other words can't just use things that must start in reserve.

Adepta Sororitas (116 points)
Ministorum Priest (2x Shotgun, Melta Bomb, Warlord, Cloak of St Aspira)
2x Ministorum Priest (2x Shotgun, Melta Bomb)
Fortifications (1730 points)
Wall of Martyr Imperial Defense Network each consisting of:
- 3x Bunkers (Comms Relay, Escape Hatch, Magos Machine Spirit, 6x Tank Traps)
- 3x Imperial Defense Emplacements (6x Tank Traps)
- 4x imperial Defense Line (6x Tank Traps)

3 grizzled old men dual wielding shotguns sitting in front of a massive defense system.

Can you even fit all that on a table?!

6 Chosen of Tzeentch, icon of flame, lascannon, 5x paired lightning claws, veterans - 315 pts
Take 5 such squads and a Daemon prince on foot with black legion relic which reduces toughness by 1.

I've been having a lot of fun looking for expensive and limited units, even though it's not as easy as it used to be in the grand old days of Codex-wide armouries for every option. A rotor-cannon Veletarii-spam list could be funny, you may get Salvo 3/4 weapons on everybody but every single thing in your army other than krak grenades is S3. A Land Speeder is immune to your army.