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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/14 13:20:40
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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tneva82 wrote:GoatboyBeta wrote:tneva82 wrote:
GW has decades long history of invalidating army books within year of releasing. Albeit not constantly but does show that just being released within year of new edition is no quarantee of book being usable...
I suppose it depends on what you mean by invalidating. Going from decent to poop but still usable within the framework of the rules? Yep totally do that all the time. WHF to AoS or 40k 1st to 2nd and 3rd edition where all the army books need re writing or throwing out due to changes in the core rules? Not so much.
You just listed several examples and forgot to mention others.
Here's funny fact: One of the first army books for FB I bought was freshly printed out and on sales 1999. Year later: Useless except for fluff and images of models.
I said they don't do it all the time but they have DECADES of history of doing just that. So you can't claim they won't do it based on history because history shows being released within year of new edition is no quarantee that it will be usable in the new edition.
Never claimed that they "wont do it". Just that its unlikely to become totally useless. Of course with a new edition on the horizon who knows? Personally I am going to hold off buying this and any other rules supplements until the after new edition launches.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/14 13:38:39
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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[DCM]
Moustache-twirling Princeps
Gone-to-ground in the craters of Coventry
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With any luck, this will get swept up into the 8th ed rules.
Like Escalation did, without the datasheets.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/14 13:57:04
Subject: Re:Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Lieutenant General
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Most likely due to the line BrookM quoted from the product description...
- Updated datasheets for the following Fortifications, which can be used by any Warhammer 40,000 army:
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'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/14 14:23:04
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Just in time for it to be invalidated by 8th Ed, so we can start the whole dance again.
Agreed. I'll wait for 8th edition to drop, see what's in the rulebook and what isn't, and then decide if I need this supplement or not.
Most likely not.
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DA:70S+G+M+B++I++Pw40k08+D++A++/fWD-R+T(M)DM+
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/14 15:23:21
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I always wanted a Cities of Death board. Complete, with bunkers, buildings, pipes, etc. This would be perf, but I guess I'll have to wait as well, with al these new edition rumors :(
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/14 16:13:06
Subject: Re:Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Fixture of Dakka
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Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Why miss a sales opportunity? Makes sense to me.
Then why does GW only limit sales of a lot of products where they could have made more than double or maybe even ten times the sales? GW have missed sales opportunity like crazy.
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Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong". |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/14 17:47:01
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Fixture of Dakka
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I guess they ran out of useful books to print.. oh well enough people will buy it I'm sure even if it's outdated a month later.
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Keeper of the DomBox
Warhammer Armies - Click to see galleries of fully painted armies
32,000, 19,000, Renegades - 10,000 , 7,500, |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/14 18:10:17
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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If the old individual books stocks are running low but sales are sluggish do a combined re-print,
it adds value so is likely to boost sales and means you only need to pay for one print run
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/14 18:40:31
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks
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City of death was pretty enjoyable (and I still use it). Never played a Planetary Assault, too many fortifications to buy, but is it funny ?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/15 16:21:11
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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If they rebalance fortifications so (with the notable exception of VSG) they're actually *good*... points drop, more survivable etc... I'd probably buy it.
If as I suspect this is pretty much just a cosmetic with the odd sentence changed here and there... sucky.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 02:19:18
Subject: Re:Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Fresh-Faced New User
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casvalremdeikun wrote:Maybe there will be a Fortification Network with a Haemotrope Reactor, a set of Promethium Relay Pipes, and either/both of a Void Shield Generator or Plasma Obliterator. That would be pretty cool. Unfortunately, as others have stated, this book will likely be invalidated by 8th edition next year.
This book will be the new Codex: Fortification. As you can see, there's no fortification datasheet in the main rule book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 02:22:00
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Wait, hold on, so this new book doesn't contain the rules to the new Blood Reactor? But does contain the rules to the can't-be-bought-any-more Plasma Blaster tower thingy?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 02:57:50
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Wait, hold on, so this new book doesn't contain the rules to the new Blood Reactor? But does contain the rules to the can't-be-bought-any-more Plasma Blaster tower thingy?
The lead time is pretty long on printing a book. The rules from the reactor probably didn't exist when the book went to press. The rules for it are included in the box (I think).
It's like how in the updated BA stuff, the dreads and scouts have incorrect stats, even though it was released after the eratta was issued.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 03:11:02
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Isn't the lead time on creating a model longer than publishing a book?
I mean I know how long it takes to get a book published (sometimes it was over a year before the stuff we did saw store shelves), but I thought mini-development was longer?
Or is that before the days of CAD miniatures?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 03:18:58
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Isn't the lead time on creating a model longer than publishing a book?
I mean I know how long it takes to get a book published (sometimes it was over a year before the stuff we did saw store shelves), but I thought mini-development was longer?
Or is that before the days of CAD miniatures?
If you look at the dates on the sprues of a lot of new stuff, they're dated 2016. From what I understand, they have CAD libraries of assets for every army, so they can use common elements across a large variety of designs, as a way to thematically tie armies together. So they can create new stuff relatively quickly if it shares elements of something else's design.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 03:19:52
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Well there you go.
The more you know!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 07:01:10
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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And knowing is half the battle...
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2021-4 Plog - Here we go again... - my fifth attempt at a Dakka PLOG
My Pile of Potential - updates ongoing...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote:This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote:You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling. - No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 07:26:49
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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I do wonder if the book will contain updated / fixed rules for the Vengeance Weapons Battery. Inclusion of either size or a proper amount of HP's would be neat.
But then again.. this is GW rule department we're talking about here.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 14:46:40
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Isn't the lead time on creating a model longer than publishing a book?
I mean I know how long it takes to get a book published (sometimes it was over a year before the stuff we did saw store shelves), but I thought mini-development was longer?
Or is that before the days of CAD miniatures?
Also, the model was possibly ready to ship before the rules were.
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2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress
2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 14:58:50
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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EnTyme wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Isn't the lead time on creating a model longer than publishing a book?
I mean I know how long it takes to get a book published (sometimes it was over a year before the stuff we did saw store shelves), but I thought mini-development was longer?
Or is that before the days of CAD miniatures?
Also, the model was possibly ready to ship before the rules were.
The model comes with its rules though.
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5250 pts
3850 pts
Deathwatch: 1500 pts
Imperial Knights: 375 pts
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 15:54:49
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Foxy Wildborne
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I dunno, Mantic manages in a week or two. These excuses from before computers existed really don't fly anymore.
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The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 16:32:01
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Blood-Raging Khorne Berserker
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lord_blackfang wrote:
I dunno, Mantic manages in a week or two. These excuses from before computers existed really don't fly anymore.
I'm not really making any excuses. It takes longer to print the book than it does to make models for GW. The evidence is very plain to see. I'm not comparing it to any other business.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 16:42:51
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Foxy Wildborne
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The way you perceive GW does things is not evidence of anything.
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The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 16:54:16
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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casvalremdeikun wrote: EnTyme wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:Isn't the lead time on creating a model longer than publishing a book?
I mean I know how long it takes to get a book published (sometimes it was over a year before the stuff we did saw store shelves), but I thought mini-development was longer?
Or is that before the days of CAD miniatures?
Also, the model was possibly ready to ship before the rules were.
The model comes with its rules though.
That's not what I'm saying. H.B.M.C. commented that the models were likely created well before the book went to the publishers, and he may be right. I'm saying that GW may have still been working on the rules well after the models were finished.
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2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress
2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 17:00:25
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Sword-Bearing Inquisitorial Crusader
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Many of the rumour mongers have alluded that books are prepared far in advance relative to their release date. GW seems to have a schedule as far out as 6 months to a full year ahead of time, with small holes in the line up to allow for 'slot fillers' - whatever they think might sell well.
But to be fair, a book written in anything less then 3-4 weeks is going to be lacking in either content or clarity. Nevermind the fact that Mantic most likely does not need to have things translated into the 4 or 5 languages GW does, which can involve a single work being flipped back as many as 3-5 times before the translation is properly done.
Don't believe me? Ask any author - writting isn't as simple as just filling a page with letters.
Although in this case, a large portion of planetary Onslaught was probably a cut and paste job - or at least I would expect as much given the nature of the book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/16 22:02:28
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Preacher of the Emperor
Hanford, CA, AKA The Eye of Terror
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Neronoxx wrote:
Many of the rumour mongers have alluded that books are prepared far in advance relative to their release date. GW seems to have a schedule as far out as 6 months to a full year ahead of time, with small holes in the line up to allow for 'slot fillers' - whatever they think might sell well.
But to be fair, a book written in anything less then 3-4 weeks is going to be lacking in either content or clarity. Nevermind the fact that Mantic most likely does not need to have things translated into the 4 or 5 languages GW does, which can involve a single work being flipped back as many as 3-5 times before the translation is properly done.
Don't believe me? Ask any author - writting isn't as simple as just filling a page with letters.
Although in this case, a large portion of planetary Onslaught was probably a cut and paste job - or at least I would expect as much given the nature of the book.
I can imagine that books take longer simply because GW does not make them (ie they do not have a printing press, they contract through other companies, in China i believe) they have to have all their material ready to go, translated, then they send if off to print. Books are printed in very large quantities, then sent back to GW who I presume checks them out then sends them to their distribution centers. So ideally they are travelling all over the world several times before the process is complete and since its other companies printing, shipping and theres delays and customs to worry about along the way I would imagine they put them in long in advance to meet their target release window. With models they have their guys in England mock up the model in a computer, they print out a few prototypes, make sure its what they want, send the data over to the factories they own (in the US, Canada, and UK if I recall) and they are immediately put into production, boxed and shipped directly through their own shipping channels.
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17,000 points (Valhallan)
10,000 points
6,000 points (Order of Our Martyred Lady)
Proud Countess of House Terryn hosting 7 Knights, 2 Dominus Knights, and 8 Armigers
Stormcast Eternals: 7,000 points
"Remember, Orks are weak and cowardly, they are easily beat in close combat and their tusks, while menacing, can easily be pulled out with a sharp tug"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/21 16:49:24
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Just a quick question for anyone with this book!
What updates were made to the fortification datasheets.
I would likely pick this up since I have every GW terrain piece and it would be good to start a full planet invasion campaign.
So far I have heard the weapon batteries now are small av14 hp3 buildings.
The skyshield landing pad automatically comes with the ready to take off upgrade for free.
Does anyone know if anything else changed?
Are the defense networks expanded to include the newer kits?
Any mention of the recent hemotropes fortifications?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/21 17:05:56
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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Ooh, the Vengeance Weapons Battery dataslate finally got fixed? About time!
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/22 21:26:13
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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[DCM]
Et In Arcadia Ego
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gungo wrote:
Any mention of the recent hemotropes fortifications?
Not that I recall.
I've got the book at home -- I'll answer -- some -- questions later.
*assuming work ever ends...13= hours and counting today...*
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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2016/11/22 21:49:51
Subject: Planetary Onslaught -- W40k
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Cool I guess the final question is if you think the book is worth it especially if you already have most of the terrain required for stronghold assault and city fight.
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