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2016/11/20 13:31:41
Subject: Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
Let me get this straight, Donald Trump and congressional Republicans are going to launch genocidal pogroms across the US because there's a Breitbart editor on the White House staff?
Trump campaigned on ethnically cleansing the US of Mexicans and on creating a register of known Muslims.
No he didn't. He campaigned on deporting illegal immigrants and stopping illegal immigration. Unless you mean to tell me that all Mexicans are illegal immigrants.
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2016/11/20 14:39:36
Subject: Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
Let me get this straight, Donald Trump and congressional Republicans are going to launch genocidal pogroms across the US because there's a Breitbart editor on the White House staff?
Trump campaigned on ethnically cleansing the US of Mexicans and on creating a register of known Muslims.
I haven't tried to silence you in the least. I'm trying to have discussion. I have not shown any disrespect, I haven't even defended Trump. I am saying the speech that needs protection is unpopular speech. When you silence it based on something as subjective as hurt feelings, which greatly vary from person to person, you are supporting a form of soft oppression.
You are drawing a false equivocation between nazis and their opponents. When you silence nazis, it's because every one of their actions is a call to gather strength to prepare for the murder of minorities. To pretend that stopping this is being a whiny baby acting out of "hurt feelings" is at best stupid and at worst a conscious lie intended to make nazism acceptable.
Trump Campaigned on cleansing the US of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. I am not sure how that is hard to understand and I really don't understand how you got "ethnically cleansing mexicans" but if you could try not to post nonsense like that it would be appreciated.
Let me get this straight, Donald Trump and congressional Republicans are going to launch genocidal pogroms across the US because there's a Breitbart editor on the White House staff?
Trump campaigned on ethnically cleansing the US of Mexicans and on creating a register of known Muslims.
I haven't tried to silence you in the least. I'm trying to have discussion. I have not shown any disrespect, I haven't even defended Trump. I am saying the speech that needs protection is unpopular speech. When you silence it based on something as subjective as hurt feelings, which greatly vary from person to person, you are supporting a form of soft oppression.
You are drawing a false equivocation between nazis and their opponents. When you silence nazis, it's because every one of their actions is a call to gather strength to prepare for the murder of minorities. To pretend that stopping this is being a whiny baby acting out of "hurt feelings" is at best stupid and at worst a conscious lie intended to make nazism acceptable.
Trump Campaigned on cleansing the US of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. I am not sure how that is hard to understand and I really don't understand how you got "ethnically cleansing mexicans" but if you could try not to post nonsense like that it would be appreciated.
So, how many times did Trump call out illegal immigrants from Asia? Europe? Canada?
His definition of illegal immigrant, which we can see from his campaign rhetoric, is pretty much solely latin american and specifically mexican.
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2016/11/20 17:09:03
Subject: Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
So, how many times did Trump call out illegal immigrants from Asia? Europe? Canada?
His definition of illegal immigrant, which we can see from his campaign rhetoric, is pretty much solely latin american and specifically mexican.
Why do you think that is Malus? Are there millions of illegal Asians? Europeans or Canadians running around America? I won't lie and say I have looked up the numbers but I am willing to bet that every other country in the world combined doesn't equal 1/10th the number of illegals from Mexico and Central/South America.
Your argument is equivalent to saying we shouldn't stop illegal drugs because we don't trumpet people abusing midol or some other minor concern.
Let me get this straight, Donald Trump and congressional Republicans are going to launch genocidal pogroms across the US because there's a Breitbart editor on the White House staff?
Trump campaigned on ethnically cleansing the US of Mexicans and on creating a register of known Muslims.
I haven't tried to silence you in the least. I'm trying to have discussion. I have not shown any disrespect, I haven't even defended Trump. I am saying the speech that needs protection is unpopular speech. When you silence it based on something as subjective as hurt feelings, which greatly vary from person to person, you are supporting a form of soft oppression.
You are drawing a false equivocation between nazis and their opponents. When you silence nazis, it's because every one of their actions is a call to gather strength to prepare for the murder of minorities. To pretend that stopping this is being a whiny baby acting out of "hurt feelings" is at best stupid and at worst a conscious lie intended to make nazism acceptable.
Trump Campaigned on cleansing the US of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. I am not sure how that is hard to understand and I really don't understand how you got "ethnically cleansing mexicans" but if you could try not to post nonsense like that it would be appreciated.
So, how many times did Trump call out illegal immigrants from Asia? Europe? Canada?
His definition of illegal immigrant, which we can see from his campaign rhetoric, is pretty much solely latin american and specifically mexican.
Its almost as if the majority of illegal immigrants in the US are from Mexico, a country that is right next to the US.
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2016/11/20 18:37:51
Subject: Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
Its almost as if the majority of illegal immigrants in the US are from Mexico, a country that is right next to the US.
And when people go after "illegal immigrants" they go after people they think look Mexican. They go after people with brown skin, people who speak Spanish, people who are poor, people who don't look like they belong in the US. That is why the call to throw them out is a call for ethnic cleansing.
2016/11/20 18:54:30
Subject: Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
Its almost as if the majority of illegal immigrants in the US are from Mexico, a country that is right next to the US.
Majority, but not all.
If Trump was flat out against all illegal immigration then there would be absolutely zero need to bring any kind of ethnicity into it. He did bring ethnicity into it.
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2016/11/20 20:48:39
Subject: Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
Its almost as if the majority of illegal immigrants in the US are from Mexico, a country that is right next to the US.
Majority, but not all.
If Trump was flat out against all illegal immigration then there would be absolutely zero need to bring any kind of ethnicity into it. He did bring ethnicity into it.
In the context of increased border security it obviously matters to mention Mexico I think yes?
Plenty of reason.
2016/11/20 20:59:58
Subject: Re:Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
The interesting thing - which keeps getting brought up, and keeps getting ignored - is that Trump never really talks about overstayed visas from Asian countries when he discusses illegal immigration, and yet that's the fastest-growing type.
Plenty of reason to mention that. But he doesn't.
2016/11/20 21:01:23
Subject: Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
Its almost as if the majority of illegal immigrants in the US are from Mexico, a country that is right next to the US.
And when people go after "illegal immigrants" they go after people they think look Mexican. They go after people with brown skin, people who speak Spanish, people who are poor, people who don't look like they belong in the US. That is why the call to throw them out is a call for ethnic cleansing.
Deporting illegal immigrants =/= genocide. We've always had deportations of illegal immigrants (including during Obama's terms) and for decades the majority of deportations have been to Mexico, central and South America. Increasing the scope and efficiency of those deportations is a far cry from ethnic cleansing.
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2016/11/20 21:24:18
Subject: Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
Its almost as if the majority of illegal immigrants in the US are from Mexico, a country that is right next to the US.
And when people go after "illegal immigrants" they go after people they think look Mexican. They go after people with brown skin, people who speak Spanish, people who are poor, people who don't look like they belong in the US. That is why the call to throw them out is a call for ethnic cleansing.
Deporting illegal immigrants =/= genocide. We've always had deportations of illegal immigrants (including during Obama's terms) and for decades the majority of deportations have been to Mexico, central and South America. Increasing the scope and efficiency of those deportations is a far cry from ethnic cleansing.
In one sense, sure, but when we're talking about deporting potentially millions of people, that's when it starts venturing into such territory, particularly when there are potentially when there are potentially 2 million illegal immigrants from other places (like asia and eastern europe) that nobody says a word about deporting in the political arena.
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2016/11/20 21:40:02
Subject: Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
Its almost as if the majority of illegal immigrants in the US are from Mexico, a country that is right next to the US.
And when people go after "illegal immigrants" they go after people they think look Mexican. They go after people with brown skin, people who speak Spanish, people who are poor, people who don't look like they belong in the US. That is why the call to throw them out is a call for ethnic cleansing.
So this ethnic cleansing bit is YOUR 'logical extension' of Trump's anti-ILLEGAL immigration stance. Right...no.
Its almost as if the majority of illegal immigrants in the US are from Mexico, a country that is right next to the US.
Majority, but not all.
If Trump was flat out against all illegal immigration then there would be absolutely zero need to bring any kind of ethnicity into it. He did bring ethnicity into it.
Matter of priorities Malus, Do you want to stop the trickle of educated asian/european illegal immigrants who stayed past there visas, or do you want to focus on the GIANT FLOOD of untrained, unskilled illegal immigrants flowing across our southern border?
If your answer is "We need to stop them all!" I agree, but realistically nobody cares about the Europeans/asians because they are not the ones bringing Crime with them. You can see racism in anything you like but even Trump has said is first priority is going to be deporting the Illegal aliens who have BROKEN THE LAW while in the United States. He is going after the Criminals and felons first. But again, racism right?
The mass hysteria about Trump is crazy to watch. The guy's policies really aren't that controversial, and people should be glad they aren't getting Hillary. There's something very sinister about that woman... she seems like a psychopath
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2016/11/20 23:18:51
Subject: Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
Its almost as if the majority of illegal immigrants in the US are from Mexico, a country that is right next to the US.
Majority, but not all.
If Trump was flat out against all illegal immigration then there would be absolutely zero need to bring any kind of ethnicity into it. He did bring ethnicity into it.
Matter of priorities Malus, Do you want to stop the trickle of educated asian/european illegal immigrants who stayed past there visas, or do you want to focus on the GIANT FLOOD of untrained, unskilled illegal immigrants flowing across our southern border?
If your answer is "We need to stop them all!" I agree, but realistically nobody cares about the Europeans/asians because they are not the ones bringing Crime with them. You can see racism in anything you like but even Trump has said is first priority is going to be deporting the Illegal aliens who have BROKEN THE LAW while in the United States. He is going after the Criminals and felons first. But again, racism right?
Well, as Hats said above, illegal immigration from other places is increasing. I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere (might be somewhere in one of the US politics threads) that illegal immigration from mexico is actually already decreasing on its own.
Snake Tortoise wrote: The mass hysteria about Trump is crazy to watch. The guy's policies really aren't that controversial, and people should be glad they aren't getting Hillary. There's something very sinister about that woman... she seems like a psychopath
Not controversial?
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
2016/11/20 23:35:48
Subject: Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
Well, as Hats said above, illegal immigration from other places is increasing. I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere (might be somewhere in one of the US politics threads) that illegal immigration from mexico is actually already decreasing on its own.
I question that research, I would like to know how they get those numbers. The idea behind illegal immigration is to stay hidden from the government so you don't get deported, this seems to make it look as if there is an illegal immigrant database, so my question then is, How did they come by these numbers? I don't have an answer other then maybe using some well informed educated guesses.
Regardless, I would say it is still a rather large problem that needs to be sorted out. Deport Illegals who have committed Crimes while in the US. Pretty straight forward really.
Now in regards to other things like DACA? I am more then willing to give DACA recipients the benefit of the doubt. Allow them to continue their education and apply for citizenship but make it a grand fathered program, in other words, no more DACA after those currently enrolled graduate and become citizens.
A country without a border is not a country. A country that doesn't enforce its laws is not a country.
Snake Tortoise wrote: The mass hysteria about Trump is crazy to watch. The guy's policies really aren't that controversial, and people should be glad they aren't getting Hillary. There's something very sinister about that woman... she seems like a psychopath
Not controversial?
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Remember to differentiate between Trump's stated policies and those on the Republican ticket which are decided by the RNC not Trump.
As far as his policies, which ones are controversial?
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2016/11/21 00:04:27
Subject: Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
Kilkrazy wrote: Does Trump actually have any policies? I thought he had already back-pedalled on everything he said in the campaign.
I am actually shocked you are still a Moderator. I am not trying to offend you, but I would say about 90% of your posts are either useless to the conversation that they are in or are openly insulting to other people in the conversation. This specific post is both wrong and adds nothing to the conversation.
Remember to differentiate between Trump's stated policies and those on the Republican ticket which are decided by the RNC not Trump.
As far as his policies, which ones are controversial?
Sorry, I thought we weren't supposed to be worried about the RNC's backwards bullcrap repeal-gay-marriage take-a-dump-on-the-environment platform because Trump wouldn't listen to it. Or something. Are we still arguing that?
Some apparently non-controversial stated policies from our President-Elect: gut climate change research, order US troops to commit war crimes, waste money trying the world's most impractical version of border security, handing out nukes around the world, etc., etc.
2016/11/21 00:12:49
Subject: Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
Remember to differentiate between Trump's stated policies and those on the Republican ticket which are decided by the RNC not Trump.
As far as his policies, which ones are controversial?
Sorry, I thought we weren't supposed to be worried about the RNC's backwards bullcrap repeal-gay-marriage take-a-dump-on-the-environment platform because Trump wouldn't listen to it. Or something. Are we still arguing that?
Some apparently non-controversial stated policies from our President-Elect: gut climate change research, order US troops to commit war crimes, waste money trying the world's most impractical version of border security, handing out nukes around the world, etc., etc.
Care to cite a source for those claims? one that goes beyond hyperbole?
Remember to differentiate between Trump's stated policies and those on the Republican ticket which are decided by the RNC not Trump.
As far as his policies, which ones are controversial?
Sorry, I thought we weren't supposed to be worried about the RNC's backwards bullcrap repeal-gay-marriage take-a-dump-on-the-environment platform because Trump wouldn't listen to it. Or something. Are we still arguing that?
Some apparently non-controversial stated policies from our President-Elect: gut climate change research, order US troops to commit war crimes, waste money trying the world's most impractical version of border security, handing out nukes around the world, etc., etc.
Care to cite a source for those claims? one that goes beyond hyperbole?
Those are all things which he repeated many times throughout his campaign. He claimed climate change was a chinese hoax, said that US soldiers would follow his orders to kill the families of terrorists, said he would build a wall across the whole us-mexico border and said that nuclear proliferation was a serious issue and that his solution was to give japan and south korea nukes.
If you somehow missed everything he ever said in his campaign then I don't know how.
Remember to differentiate between Trump's stated policies and those on the Republican ticket which are decided by the RNC not Trump.
As far as his policies, which ones are controversial?
Sorry, I thought we weren't supposed to be worried about the RNC's backwards bullcrap repeal-gay-marriage take-a-dump-on-the-environment platform because Trump wouldn't listen to it. Or something. Are we still arguing that?
Some apparently non-controversial stated policies from our President-Elect: gut climate change research, order US troops to commit war crimes, waste money trying the world's most impractical version of border security, handing out nukes around the world, etc., etc.
Care to cite a source for those claims? one that goes beyond hyperbole?
Did you not see the video of him saying he'd order US troops to shoot the relatives of ISIS followers? Here he is doubling down on that and endorsing the use of torture because 'they do it'.
You can see the climate change research defunding in his plan for his first hundred days, the wall thing speaks for itself, and he likes to go back and forth on whether or not he wants more nukes in the world - saying we need to reduce proliferation and then talking about countries that should be given the bomb.
Did you really not see any of this before?
2016/11/21 00:28:21
Subject: Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
So again, I ask both of you. Any proof beyond Hyperbole. As far as Climate change? I agree with that policy completely. So many different factors and research have come forward showing that climate change isn't the end of the world event that Al Gore started back in 2000.
BTW as far as Proof, I am talking about his 100 day agenda or things along that line. If we hold every politician to his debates then Obama has failed big time on a number of things
"I don't like this thing the Red Team Man said one time, or I like it but I'm going to pretend like I don't, so instead of saying 'yes, he's flawed', or giving my support to a different Red Team member or even a member of another team, I'm going to pretend like it didn't count when he said it."
Seriously. That's all I'm hearing.
2016/11/21 00:33:55
Subject: Re:Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
Spinner wrote: "I don't like this thing the Red Team Man said one time, or I like it but I'm going to pretend like I don't, so instead of saying 'yes, he's flawed', or giving my support to a different Red Team member or even a member of another team, I'm going to pretend like it didn't count when he said it."
Seriously. That's all I'm hearing.
So to translate that. No you don't have any proof beyond vague Hyperbole at a debate? got it.
SemperMortis wrote: So again, I ask both of you. Any proof beyond Hyperbole. As far as Climate change? I agree with that policy completely. So many different factors and research have come forward showing that climate change isn't the end of the world event that Al Gore started back in 2000.
BTW as far as Proof, I am talking about his 100 day agenda or things along that line. If we hold every politician to his debates then Obama has failed big time on a number of things
You want proof that climate change is a big fething deal? Go look on NASA'swebsite. Unless you don't think that bigger and more frequent hurricanes, droughts, rising sea levels, ecosystem destruction and a lot more are big deals. In which case you'd be a moron.
Spinner wrote: "I don't like this thing the Red Team Man said one time, or I like it but I'm going to pretend like I don't, so instead of saying 'yes, he's flawed', or giving my support to a different Red Team member or even a member of another team, I'm going to pretend like it didn't count when he said it."
Seriously. That's all I'm hearing.
So to translate that. No you don't have any proof beyond vague Hyperbole at a debate? got it.
I never realised that somebody saying they would order soldiers to commit war crimes was vague hyperbole.
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2016/11/21 00:39:29
Subject: Will GW say anything about the Alt-Right approrpiating 40k memes
SemperMortis wrote: So again, I ask both of you. Any proof beyond Hyperbole. As far as Climate change? I agree with that policy completely. So many different factors and research have come forward showing that climate change isn't the end of the world event that Al Gore started back in 2000.
BTW as far as Proof, I am talking about his 100 day agenda or things along that line. If we hold every politician to his debates then Obama has failed big time on a number of things
You want proof that climate change is a big fething deal? Go look on NASA'swebsite. Unless you don't think that bigger and more frequent hurricanes, droughts, rising sea levels, ecosystem destruction and a lot more are big deals.
How about the fact that NASA themselves have said that the Antarctic ice has grown? or the record winters we have had in recent years? or the fact that Global climate change is a FACT that has been around FOREVER! ice ages comes and go, during the Jurassic period the earth was a lot hotter then it is today. So yea, i don't hold much faith in a report that the world is going to end Waterworld style.
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