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 BrotherGecko wrote:
Well 4chan isn't the home of the alt-right so your working with bad info. 8chan, R/the_donald, r/conspiracy, Stormfront, various closed group Facebook pages...etc etc, those are the homes of the alt-right. 4chan isn't anything but people trying to out rude and edge each other. Alt-right is an actual thing that is actually studied by real people.

Hotwheelschan stopped being relevant when anons started flocking back to 4chan after m00t sold the site to the founder of 2chan. Anything Reddit is cancer and tier. Stormfront has long been one of many white supremacist websites/forums (long before the term "alt-right" was coined) and the Facebook crap came into popularity when the whole "alt-right" meme took hold. 4chan's /pol/ was (and still is) touted as being "ground zero" for the so-called "alt-right". So, no. I'm not misinformed.


And "real people" fund studies into the paranormal and extraterrestrial abduction too. It doesn't mean there is really anything to it but hype.





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Mario wrote:
You mean like "gamers" who start whining the moment someone even dares to criticise a game in a way they don't like? As if it's a souffle that will collapse the moment anybody says something negative about it. That type of butthurt?

That's part of it. Too bad the most notable of the so-called "critics" ere mostly grievance industry hucksters.

Here are literal white supremacists saying they are the alt-right and embracing the term (as a politically correct euphemism for Neo-Nazis). http://www.dailystormer.com/a-normies-guide-to-the-alt-right/ (could be NSFW)
That has nothing to do with a "hard left buzzword" or media shills when they themselves are all for using it. From the linked article:
That said, there is nothing fundamentally different about the Alt-Right and the old White Nationalist movement. They have the same basic goals but simply use different methods in their attempts to achieve them.

Just because a blogger on a white supremacist site (and as far as racist websites go, the Daily Stormer makes Stormfront look like a collection of Socrates and Platos in comparison) likes to embrace the term as a more "polite" term for his/her ideology proves nothing.



The whole hysteria of the "alt-right" is nothing more than hype, and a buzzword to describe mischief makers on troll sites. Nothing more.

Why care what other people do when it has zero impact on you? Just because you don't like their viewpoint doesn't mean they should be denied the right to share it. Be mature and ignore it if it bothers you.

I can't decide whether this is a pro or anti Trump meme given that he looks, ahem, taller than he is wide so to speak.

Just so long as he gets chucked into a river at the end, I don't mind

That is what traditionally happens to a successful cox.

 Rakar wrote:
Why care what other people do when it has zero impact on you? Just because you don't like their viewpoint doesn't mean they should be denied the right to share it. Be mature and ignore it if it bothers you.

What the alt-right gets up to doesn't have zero impact on people because they're the core of a new fascist movement and have an in with the next president of the most powerful country on the planet. Your approach will get you murdered by nazis.

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Rakar wrote:
Why care what other people do when it has zero impact on you? Just because you don't like their viewpoint doesn't mean they should be denied the right to share it. Be mature and ignore it if it bothers you.

What the alt-right gets up to doesn't have zero impact on people because they're the core of a new fascist movement and have an in with the next president of the most powerful country on the planet. Your approach will get you murdered by nazis.

First they came for the internet memes and I did nothing because I wasn't on Facebook...

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Rakar wrote:
Why care what other people do when it has zero impact on you? Just because you don't like their viewpoint doesn't mean they should be denied the right to share it. Be mature and ignore it if it bothers you.

What the alt-right gets up to doesn't have zero impact on people because they're the core of a new fascist movement and have an in with the next president of the most powerful country on the planet. Your approach will get you murdered by nazis.

No. The suppression of free speech is what's fascist. They're words/pictures...and that's all they are, cause you no injury. People have become overly sensitive snowflakes and that's what caused the movement you hate so much. Ignore words you don't like, focus on actions instead...like the riots, that actually hurts people. Sticks and stones...


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Rosebuddy wrote:

 Rakar wrote:
Why care what other people do when it has zero impact on you? Just because you don't like their viewpoint doesn't mean they should be denied the right to share it. Be mature and ignore it if it bothers you.

What the alt-right gets up to doesn't have zero impact on people because they're the core of a new fascist movement and have an in with the next president of the most powerful country on the planet. Your approach will get you murdered by nazis.

First they came for the internet memes and I did nothing because I wasn't on Facebook...

Hilarious!!! Totally exalt-worthy.

 Rakar wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Rakar wrote:
Why care what other people do when it has zero impact on you? Just because you don't like their viewpoint doesn't mean they should be denied the right to share it. Be mature and ignore it if it bothers you.

What the alt-right gets up to doesn't have zero impact on people because they're the core of a new fascist movement and have an in with the next president of the most powerful country on the planet. Your approach will get you murdered by nazis.

No. The suppression of free speech is what's fascist. There words/pictures...and that's all they are, cause you no injury. People have become overly sensitive snowflakes and that's what caused the movement you hate so much. Ignore words you don't like, focus on actions instead...like the riots, that actually hurts people. Sticks and stones...

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Someone should tell that to the President-Elect before he makes another tweet about how a theater cast hurt Mike Pence's feelings.

Below, I've collected some non-hurtful words and pictures.







You know, I really can't understand why anyone would associate those wacky alt-righters and their chosen candidate with Nazis.

 Rakar wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Rakar wrote:
Why care what other people do when it has zero impact on you? Just because you don't like their viewpoint doesn't mean they should be denied the right to share it. Be mature and ignore it if it bothers you.

What the alt-right gets up to doesn't have zero impact on people because they're the core of a new fascist movement and have an in with the next president of the most powerful country on the planet. Your approach will get you murdered by nazis.

No. The suppression of free speech is what's fascist. There words/pictures...and that's all they are, cause you no injury. People have become overly sensitive snowflakes and that's what caused the movement you hate so much. Ignore words you don't like, focus on actions instead...like the riots, that actually hurts people. Sticks and stones...

You mean like Trump did today? I'm sorry, but that's nonsense. Words have power, and I'm really starting to get irritated by the people defending bullying with "sticks and stones". It wasn't true when I was five and it's not true now. Words and ideologies have power. If the alt right was caused by people getting so upset by words perhaps someone as thin skinned as Trump should not have been the choice of leader. The reality is that it's just the same as when I was 5, all this "ignore what you don't like" is just defending bullying and harassment.

 Rakar wrote:
No. The suppression of free speech is what's fascist. There words/pictures...and that's all they are, cause you no injury. People have become overly sensitive snowflakes and that's what caused the movement you hate so much. Ignore words you don't like, focus on actions instead...like the riots, that actually hurts people. Sticks and stones...

Saying "you're a , stop doing that" is not suppression of free speech. It is use of free speech.

So, Tic Tacs came out saying they did not support Trump's use of their product, and New Balance came out saying they did not want to be associated with white supremacy, but we don't expect GW to say "please leave us out of your politics. GW does not condone any philosophy that values one group over another. In the grim darkness of the far future, everyone is equally doomed." I don't see why they can't use the negative publicity they are gaining already by association to generate some positive publicity.

Spinner - Vandalism isn't a right, that's action and they should legally punished for it. The cast that made fun of Pence had the right to do so, I defend that. I'm not saying Trump is right or Trump is wrong. What I am saying is people who hate Trump have every right to mock him, while people who love Trump have an equal right to mock. I think its stupid to water-down words like fascist, nazi, and communist, but stupid statements are protected too.


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 Peregrine wrote:

 Rakar wrote:
No. The suppression of free speech is what's fascist. There words/pictures...and that's all they are, cause you no injury. People have become overly sensitive snowflakes and that's what caused the movement you hate so much. Ignore words you don't like, focus on actions instead...like the riots, that actually hurts people. Sticks and stones...

Saying "you're a , stop doing that" is not suppression of free speech. It is use of free speech.

Call him, me, or anyone whatever you want. That's the right I'm defending. I agree with you.


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 Steve steveson wrote:

 Rakar wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Rakar wrote:
Why care what other people do when it has zero impact on you? Just because you don't like their viewpoint doesn't mean they should be denied the right to share it. Be mature and ignore it if it bothers you.

What the alt-right gets up to doesn't have zero impact on people because they're the core of a new fascist movement and have an in with the next president of the most powerful country on the planet. Your approach will get you murdered by nazis.

No. The suppression of free speech is what's fascist. There words/pictures...and that's all they are, cause you no injury. People have become overly sensitive snowflakes and that's what caused the movement you hate so much. Ignore words you don't like, focus on actions instead...like the riots, that actually hurts people. Sticks and stones...

You mean like Trump did today? I'm sorry, but that's nonsense. Words have power, and I'm really starting to get irritated by the people defending bullying with "sticks and stones". It wasn't true when I was five and it's not true now. Words and ideologies have power. If the alt right was caused by people getting so upset by words perhaps someone as thin skinned as Trump should not have been the choice of leader. The reality is that it's just the same as when I was 5, all this "ignore what you don't like" is just defending bullying and harassment.

It is not nonsense. Use your speech to stand up to bullies, but you've no right to silence them. The world is a harsh and cruel place, when you grow up in a safe-space bubble you are not trained to deal with reality. Part of maturing is realizing that the opinions and words of a bully are value-less. All that truly affects you is your opinion of yourself. Stand up to bullies, if you see a meme you hate, counter it with a better one. When you silence opinions you disagree with, you become the bully.


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Politics are a nightmare. Sports and games are supposed to be an escape from that. If GW themselves were putting out these memes I'd be pissed, but they aren't. They aren't endorsing them. Condemning them would just draw more attention to them and politicize something that should be apolitical. This will all blow over soon enough.

 Rakar wrote:

It is not nonsense. Use your speech to stand up to bullies, but you've no right to silence them.

It strikes me as useless and cowardly to say that people can dislike bullies all they want but aren't allowed to stop them from bullying. Similarly, the issue with nazis isn't that they are merely disagreeable, it is that they are adherents of an ideology the whole point of which is to cleanse the world of the lesser races through violence. They will start campaigns of murder as soon as they believe they can get away with it. They will kill minorities, journalists, leftists and liberals alike. Getting stuck in the amoral quagmire of letting everyone say whatever they want to leaves you more aghast at the people who resist nazism than its practitioners.

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Rakar wrote:

It is not nonsense. Use your speech to stand up to bullies, but you've no right to silence them.

It strikes me as useless and cowardly to say that people can dislike bullies all they want but aren't allowed to stop them from bullying. Similarly, the issue with nazis isn't that they are merely disagreeable, it is that they are adherents of an ideology the whole point of which is to cleanse the world of the lesser races through violence. They will start campaigns of murder as soon as they believe they can get away with it. They will kill minorities, journalists, leftists and liberals alike. Getting stuck in the amoral quagmire of letting everyone say whatever they want to leaves you more aghast at the people who resist nazism than its practitioners.

If the Alt-right starts behaving violently, by all means arrest them, shoot them, whatever is necessary. If they call for rape and murder, as their detractors have, that's NOT protected speech, you get arrested for that. However just because you don't like their politics doesn't mean you can ban their speech. The Nazis you love to reference so dearly did exactly that to their opponents. Both side needs to start listening to each and respecting eachother rather them screaming Nazi the first time they hear something outside of their echo chamber. I will stand up for intellectual and political diversity whether I agree with it or not. That is what it takes to be a free society.

 Rakar wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Rakar wrote:

It is not nonsense. Use your speech to stand up to bullies, but you've no right to silence them.

It strikes me as useless and cowardly to say that people can dislike bullies all they want but aren't allowed to stop them from bullying. Similarly, the issue with nazis isn't that they are merely disagreeable, it is that they are adherents of an ideology the whole point of which is to cleanse the world of the lesser races through violence. They will start campaigns of murder as soon as they believe they can get away with it. They will kill minorities, journalists, leftists and liberals alike. Getting stuck in the amoral quagmire of letting everyone say whatever they want to leaves you more aghast at the people who resist nazism than its practitioners.

If the Alt-right starts behaving violently, by all means arrest them, shoot them, whatever is necessary. If they call for rape and murder, as their detractors have, that's NOT protected speech, you get arrested for that. However just because you don't like their politics doesn't mean you can ban their speech. The Nazis you love to reference so dearly did exactly that to their opponents. Both side needs to start listening to each and respecting eachother rather them screaming Nazi the first time they hear something outside of their echo chamber.

You know, it might just be me, but I don't hear people saying 'dude, these guys are neo-Nazis' and following it up with 'they should be raped and murdered'.

So your answer to me saying words do have power is to try and silence me by telling me it's nonsense and that "that's how the world is"? If the world has come down to "who can come up with a more popular meme" then we have serious issues. There is only one group trying to silence everyone who disagrees with them, and it is not the progressive left. There is a difference between criticism of views and trying to silence them. Calling opinions out as racist or sexist or bullying is not trying to silence them, it's standing up to them.

 Spinner wrote:

 Rakar wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Rakar wrote:

It is not nonsense. Use your speech to stand up to bullies, but you've no right to silence them.

It strikes me as useless and cowardly to say that people can dislike bullies all they want but aren't allowed to stop them from bullying. Similarly, the issue with nazis isn't that they are merely disagreeable, it is that they are adherents of an ideology the whole point of which is to cleanse the world of the lesser races through violence. They will start campaigns of murder as soon as they believe they can get away with it. They will kill minorities, journalists, leftists and liberals alike. Getting stuck in the amoral quagmire of letting everyone say whatever they want to leaves you more aghast at the people who resist nazism than its practitioners.

If the Alt-right starts behaving violently, by all means arrest them, shoot them, whatever is necessary. If they call for rape and murder, as their detractors have, that's NOT protected speech, you get arrested for that. However just because you don't like their politics doesn't mean you can ban their speech. The Nazis you love to reference so dearly did exactly that to their opponents. Both side needs to start listening to each and respecting eachother rather them screaming Nazi the first time they hear something outside of their echo chamber.

You know, it might just be me, but I don't hear people saying 'dude, these guys are neo-Nazis' and following it up with 'they should be raped and murdered'.

Two examples found in two seconds.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3146356/Donald-Trump-s-daughter-Ivanka-faces-barrage-hateful-comments-Instagram-dad-s-politics-pictures-kids.html

http://nypost.com/2016/11/11/assassination-threats-against-trump-flood-twitter-after-election-shocker/

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Rakar wrote:

It is not nonsense. Use your speech to stand up to bullies, but you've no right to silence them.

It strikes me as useless and cowardly to say that people can dislike bullies all they want but aren't allowed to stop them from bullying. Similarly, the issue with nazis isn't that they are merely disagreeable, it is that they are adherents of an ideology the whole point of which is to cleanse the world of the lesser races through violence. They will start campaigns of murder as soon as they believe they can get away with it. They will kill minorities, journalists, leftists and liberals alike. Getting stuck in the amoral quagmire of letting everyone say whatever they want to leaves you more aghast at the people who resist nazism than its practitioners.

Let me get this straight, Donald Trump and congressional Republicans are going to launch genocidal pogroms across the US because there's a Breitbart editor on the White House staff?

 Steve steveson wrote:
So your answer to me saying words do have power is to try and silence me by telling me it's nonsense and that "that's how the world is"? If the world has come down to "who can come up with a more popular meme" then we have serious issues. There is only one group trying to silence everyone who disagrees with them, and it is not the progressive left. There is a difference between criticism of views and trying to silence them. Calling opinions out as racist or sexist or bullying is not trying to silence them, it's standing up to them.

I haven't tried to silence you in the least. I'm trying to have discussion. I have not shown any disrespect, I haven't even defended Trump. I am saying the speech that needs protection is unpopular speech. When you silence it based on something as subjective as hurt feelings, which greatly vary from person to person, you are supporting a form of soft oppression.

Prestor Jon wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Rakar wrote:

It is not nonsense. Use your speech to stand up to bullies, but you've no right to silence them.

It strikes me as useless and cowardly to say that people can dislike bullies all they want but aren't allowed to stop them from bullying. Similarly, the issue with nazis isn't that they are merely disagreeable, it is that they are adherents of an ideology the whole point of which is to cleanse the world of the lesser races through violence. They will start campaigns of murder as soon as they believe they can get away with it. They will kill minorities, journalists, leftists and liberals alike. Getting stuck in the amoral quagmire of letting everyone say whatever they want to leaves you more aghast at the people who resist nazism than its practitioners.

Let me get this straight, Donald Trump and congressional Republicans are going to launch genocidal pogroms across the US because there's a Breitbart editor on the White House staff?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure there are systems in place to stop that from happening.
The US is not the Weimar Republic. The Weimar Republic's democracy was poorly designed and forced on a people who didn't want it, who would rather have had their Kaiser back.
The US was built to be a democratic republic from the ground up for a people who no longer wanted a monarch, with a strict series of regulations in place to stop misuse of power.
The likelihood of the US becoming Nazi Germany is very low.

 Rakar wrote:
However just because you don't like their politics doesn't mean you can ban their speech.

Fortunately nobody is talking about banning their speech. A lot of people are saying "you suck" to people they don't like, and/or declining to publish speech that they don't agree with but nobody is banning anything.

 Rakar wrote:

 Spinner wrote:

 Rakar wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 Rakar wrote:

It is not nonsense. Use your speech to stand up to bullies, but you've no right to silence them.

It strikes me as useless and cowardly to say that people can dislike bullies all they want but aren't allowed to stop them from bullying. Similarly, the issue with nazis isn't that they are merely disagreeable, it is that they are adherents of an ideology the whole point of which is to cleanse the world of the lesser races through violence. They will start campaigns of murder as soon as they believe they can get away with it. They will kill minorities, journalists, leftists and liberals alike. Getting stuck in the amoral quagmire of letting everyone say whatever they want to leaves you more aghast at the people who resist nazism than its practitioners.

If the Alt-right starts behaving violently, by all means arrest them, shoot them, whatever is necessary. If they call for rape and murder, as their detractors have, that's NOT protected speech, you get arrested for that. However just because you don't like their politics doesn't mean you can ban their speech. The Nazis you love to reference so dearly did exactly that to their opponents. Both side needs to start listening to each and respecting eachother rather them screaming Nazi the first time they hear something outside of their echo chamber.

You know, it might just be me, but I don't hear people saying 'dude, these guys are neo-Nazis' and following it up with 'they should be raped and murdered'.

Two examples found in two seconds.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3146356/Donald-Trump-s-daughter-Ivanka-faces-barrage-hateful-comments-Instagram-dad-s-politics-pictures-kids.html

http://nypost.com/2016/11/11/assassination-threats-against-trump-flood-twitter-after-election-shocker/

The second example doesn't actually include any links to the threats it's referencing - although it does include a link to an article at the bottom speculating about an astronaut warning the world of aliens - and while the Daily Mail article does include some sources, I'm not seeing any rape threats in either.

Maybe I phrased my response badly. There's certainly a lot of idiots out there on the internet. Calling for rape and murder, however, is certainly not the province, cornerstone, stock-in-trade, or what have you of the alt-right's detractors.

The second example doesn't actually include any links to the threats it's referencing - although it does include a link to an article at the bottom speculating about an astronaut warning the world of aliens - and while the Daily Mail article does include some sources, I'm not seeing any rape threats in either.

Maybe I phrased my response badly. There's certainly a lot of idiots out there on the internet. Calling for rape and murder, however, is certainly not the province, cornerstone, stock-in-trade, or what have you of the alt-right's detractors.

So basically the radical left has become nothing more than a bunch of Godwinites.

How many hate groups supported Obama? I know that the New Black Panther Party supported Obama...where was all the outrage, and calling of Obama a racist bigot? It's all hypocrisy, and words.

trump can't help what groups support him, just like Obama or Clinton can't.

 SnakePlissken wrote:
So basically the radical left has become nothing more than a bunch of Godwinites.

Well, when we're dealing with people espousing actual Nazi sentiments in some cases...

How many hate groups supported Obama? I know that the New Black Panther Party supported Obama...where was all the outrage, and calling of Obama a racist bigot? It's all hypocrisy, and words.

trump can't help what groups support him, just like Obama or Clinton can't.

The "New Black Panther" party has neither the numbers, the long history, the political organization nor the potential demographic backing that racist groups from other demographics get, and is largely like 3 dudes that post stupid internet crap and get themselves into trouble once every few years, and are largely held to be racist extremist groups by the same people and groups (e.g. ADL, SPLC, etc) using that label against many of those supporting Trump. There's a huge gap between something like these dudes and say, the KKK or Nazi's and the like in these things.

That said, to some degree, it's true that Obama or Trump can't help all the groups that support them, and that's fair, but the number, size, and history of the groups supporting Trump, and increasingly doing so openly, is of a different caliber.

Do you really think that neo nazis are anything more than a few 100 "lost boys". Most of the skinheads i have seen grow out of it once they grow up a little.

The kkk isnt anything like it was in the past. Its pretty much just a bunch of radical rednecks that are in it anyway.

Im not saying you won't get the psychotic few that go all timothy mcveigh, but to pretend that they are a real threat is preposterous.

Prestor Jon wrote:

Let me get this straight, Donald Trump and congressional Republicans are going to launch genocidal pogroms across the US because there's a Breitbart editor on the White House staff?

Trump campaigned on ethnically cleansing the US of Mexicans and on creating a register of known Muslims.

 Rakar wrote:

I haven't tried to silence you in the least. I'm trying to have discussion. I have not shown any disrespect, I haven't even defended Trump. I am saying the speech that needs protection is unpopular speech. When you silence it based on something as subjective as hurt feelings, which greatly vary from person to person, you are supporting a form of soft oppression.

You are drawing a false equivocation between nazis and their opponents. When you silence nazis, it's because every one of their actions is a call to gather strength to prepare for the murder of minorities. To pretend that stopping this is being a whiny baby acting out of "hurt feelings" is at best stupid and at worst a conscious lie intended to make nazism acceptable.

The Washington Post wrote:Mr. Duke, the one-time Imperial Wizard of the KKK, failed to garner much more than 3 percent of the vote earlier this month after he unsuccessfully campaigned on a platform of “respect for the rights and heritage of European Americans.” On Friday, however, he praised the president-elect for making staffing choices he considers to have waged similar efforts in support of whites.
“Mr. Trump’s appointment of Bannon, Flynn and Sessions are the first steps in the project of taking America back,” Mr. Duke tweeted on Friday.
In a blog post published the same day, the former Klansman outlined specifically what he favored about Mr. Trump’s appointments.
Mr. Bannon, the former Breitbart chairman named as Mr. Trump’s chief strategist, “has repeatedly exposed the vicious war on White people on his Breitbart website,” Mr. Duke wrote.

Rosebuddy wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

Let me get this straight, Donald Trump and congressional Republicans are going to launch genocidal pogroms across the US because there's a Breitbart editor on the White House staff?

Trump campaigned on ethnically cleansing the US of Mexicans and on creating a register of known Muslims.

Your first point is demonstrably false hyperbole and your second point assigns far too much alarmism over something that has yet to be shown to be anything other than vague campaign promises. You're wasting your time with your crazy attempt to paint Trump and Republicans as literally Nazis.