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Changing the cover art and lore is fairly cheap and makes the product far more appealing for new and old players.

In anycase, I, and certainly many others in AoS & Wfb, agree with you in hoping this is a permanent product.

Also, at the Round Table, I already talked about the leaks and game release a while ago in the AoS section.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Changing the cover art and lore is fairly cheap and makes the product far more appealing for new and old players.

In anycase, I, and certainly many others in AoS & Wfb, agree with you in hoping this is a permanent product.

Also, at the Round Table, I already talked about the leaks and game release a while ago in the AoS section.

Well they changed the labels to "Temporarily out of stock", we will see more of this kit. You should share these infos in much more prominent and popular thread like the "Why Bretonnia was not put back into production" thread

herjan1987 wrote:
Well folks Age of Sigmar is selling so well they need to bring back the Island of Blood set from Warhammer Fantasy 8th edition, which we know was a fan favourite till it got Fantasy was replaced.

WHFB-AoS 1:0



Long live our beloved Warhammer Fantasy Battles!

Its more like long live our beloved core boxset molds.
We might also get Skull Pass of Sigmar.

You laugh, I'd LOVE BFSP models to be available again. Well, cheaper than $80 though...

Baron Klatz wrote:
Changing the cover art and lore is fairly cheap and makes the product far more appealing for new and old players.

It's also a massive potential profit boost for GW. Other than the artwork (which is relatively minimal by the looks of things) then the design and manufacture of everything has already paid for itself, likely, several time times over. Therefore the only real cost is going to be the material/manufacture/haulage/hidden store costs.

If you estimate these as about £10-£15 per box set then you are making a massive profit per box. Make a small run and if it sells continue until sales dry up.

I for one hope they keep doing those boxes... that archmage looks delicious.

 Just Tony wrote:
You laugh, I'd LOVE BFSP models to be available again. Well, cheaper than $80 though...

There are some on the trade threads.FYI.


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Lord Kragan wrote:
I for one hope they keep doing those boxes... that archmage looks delicious.

He is a pain in the arse to assemble and paint and is fragile. I much prefer the metal and standalone versions.

Oh no, he's going to be used to adorn my orc warboss. Torn in half and screaming as he looks like.

Not too much assembling there.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Oh no, he's going to be used to adorn my orc warboss. Torn in half and screaming as he looks like.

Not too much assembling there.

ok, that got dark fast.....you know its a hate crime to hurt aelfs right?

What about aelf on aelf crime? Is that okay, or the mainstream town cryers simply don't cover it?

 Just Tony wrote:
What about aelf on aelf crime? Is that okay, or the mainstream town cryers simply don't cover it?

Pretty much this.....but they are all special snowflakes, especially those buttercups riding frost pheonix.

 thekingofkings wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
You laugh, I'd LOVE BFSP models to be available again. Well, cheaper than $80 though...

There are some on the trade threads.FYI.

No joke. I would like to see that kit back.

thekingofkings wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
You laugh, I'd LOVE BFSP models to be available again. Well, cheaper than $80 though...

There are some on the trade threads.FYI.


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Lord Kragan wrote:
I for one hope they keep doing those boxes... that archmage looks delicious.

He is a pain in the arse to assemble and paint and is fragile. I much prefer the metal and standalone versions.

And every one that's on there is mishmashed into combo deals with pewter I'd melt down into fishing sinkers and post the video on Youtube as "how to convert metal GW minis" or it's for trade only, wanting stuff I don't have.

I'd like a $50 box of just the mini frames. No need for rules, dice, anything else. Just the mini frames. $50 max, though ideally I'd adore it if it were cheaper than that. Convince my wife of why I'm buying 20 boxes.

 Just Tony wrote:

thekingofkings wrote:

 Just Tony wrote:
You laugh, I'd LOVE BFSP models to be available again. Well, cheaper than $80 though...

There are some on the trade threads.FYI.


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Lord Kragan wrote:
I for one hope they keep doing those boxes... that archmage looks delicious.

He is a pain in the arse to assemble and paint and is fragile. I much prefer the metal and standalone versions.

And every one that's on there is mishmashed into combo deals with pewter I'd melt down into fishing sinkers and post the video on Youtube as "how to convert metal GW minis" or it's for trade only, wanting stuff I don't have.

I'd like a $50 box of just the mini frames. No need for rules, dice, anything else. Just the mini frames. $50 max, though ideally I'd adore it if it were cheaper than that. Convince my wife of why I'm buying 20 boxes.

noone was willing to part out or split? thats suck. patience may still win out though.

AoS battleforces 146 likes in 3 days.

Made to Order Warhammer Fantasy models 208 likes in 1 hour


WHFB - AOS 4 : 0

As an empire player; I felt the army was abandoned completely with only parts of it left..
The background of Age of Sigmar feels the same.. Part stayed.. Other went away...

I know Warhammer will not come back any time soon.. But Games Workshop has some
of the best models out there.. And I have gone from a army buyer basing some purchase
from the rules in the book to only buying a few models that look nice...More of a collector
now verses a players..

herjan1987 wrote:
AoS battleforces 146 likes in 3 days.

Made to Order Warhammer Fantasy models 208 likes in 1 hour


WHFB - AOS 4 : 0

Well you certainly are amusing aren't you?

Let him have his fun. (it's not a fair comparison anyway)

My real question is, what do Wfb players expect from a return to Wfb?

It's not like GW are going to get all the old edition people to remake it.

All the stuff that gets criticized in AoS like the writing, the artwork and the model designs? That would just get moved into Wfb 9th.

Not to mention the 9th age being under threat to be closed down due to being a competitor instead of an alternative.

Just seems alot more trouble than just going with as things are. (Shrugs)

I would not lose a second of sleep if T9A was pushed out. I'd rather them go as far back as 6th. 7th brought in the garbage that chased off over half the player base, and 8th simply overloaded with special rules to counter those OP books when simply replacing the OP books would have sufficed.

Wait, is losing a second of sleep a good thing or bad?

Baron Klatz wrote:
Let him have his fun. (it's not a fair comprison anyway)

My real question is, what do Wfb players expect from a return to Wfb?

It's not like GW are going to get all the old edition people to remake it.

All the stuff that gets criticized in AoS like the writing, the artwork and the model designs? That would just get moved into Wfb 9th.

Not to mention the 9th age being under threat to be closed down due to being a competitor instead of an alternative.

Just seems alot more trouble than just going with as things are. (Shrugs)

Baron knows that I am nice guy and knows that also that I do like AoS in certain aspect.

But I cant help, but not to put this here aswell:

1563 comments, 463 likes and 123 pageshares over the course of 12 hours.

Just in comparison the Chaos Space Marine/Chaos Demons/Space Marine vote had a total of 1493 comments 536 likes and 98 pageshare over days.

I dare to dissaprove here. If you look at the post/like ration on AoS and WHFB posts on Age of Sigmar facebook page then you will see that those that contain WHFB material has a much more loyal fanbase.

For example:

AoS Battleforce recieved 147 likes, 6 pageshares and a total of 35 posts
Dawn of Spire 1 recieved 984 likes, 279 pageshares and a total of 192 posts
Dawn of Spire Comming back soon recieved 322 likes, 48 pageshares and a total of 56 posts

The Old World is still alive and kicking. I talked with some 9thAge players and they would come back for a GW setting. Hell I could see that GW hires some 9thAge guys to make the game fun and balanced.

Also GW will put as much effort to their Fantasy product line as much effort we ask and pay for. Its not just about how can GW make WARHAMMER FANTASY BATTLES GREAT AGAIN, it is also about how can we customers make GAMES WORKSHOP a great company.

Baron Klatz wrote:
Wait, is losing a second of sleep a good thing or bad?

It means I wouldn't have a shred of remorse at its passing.

I dare to dissaprove here. If you look at the post/like ration on AoS and WHFB posts on Age of Sigmar facebook page then you will see that those that contain WHFB material has a much more loyal fanbase.

For example:

AoS Battleforce recieved 147 likes, 6 pageshares and a total of 35 posts
Dawn of Spire 1 recieved 984 likes, 279 pageshares and a total of 192 posts
Dawn of Spire Comming back soon recieved 322 likes, 48 pageshares and a total of 56 posts

The Old World is still alive and kicking. I talked with some 9thAge players and they would come back for a GW setting. Hell I could see that GW hires some 9thAge guys to make the game fun and balanced.

Let's be blunt, while I'm glad you've found something you've liked.. This is not a very valid metric at all for people wanting the Old World. There's plenty of valid reasons for people posting on that, considering:

A: Dawn of Spire has plenty of good models, well done up and people generally liked this set.
B: It's a very good price
C: There's no indication that its anyone wanting Old World, they could just be wanting new mini's for their Age of Sigmar factions (Seeing as Skaven and Elves aint had their full time to shine yet)

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

I dare to dissaprove here. If you look at the post/like ration on AoS and WHFB posts on Age of Sigmar facebook page then you will see that those that contain WHFB material has a much more loyal fanbase.

For example:

AoS Battleforce recieved 147 likes, 6 pageshares and a total of 35 posts
Dawn of Spire 1 recieved 984 likes, 279 pageshares and a total of 192 posts
Dawn of Spire Comming back soon recieved 322 likes, 48 pageshares and a total of 56 posts

The Old World is still alive and kicking. I talked with some 9thAge players and they would come back for a GW setting. Hell I could see that GW hires some 9thAge guys to make the game fun and balanced.

Let's be blunt, while I'm glad you've found something you've liked.. This is not a very valid metric at all for people wanting the Old World. There's plenty of valid reasons for people posting on that, considering:

A: Dawn of Spire has plenty of good models, well done up and people generally liked this set.
B: It's a very good price
C: There's no indication that its anyone wanting Old World, they could just be wanting new mini's for their Age of Sigmar factions (Seeing as Skaven and Elves aint had their full time to shine yet)

If you read into the Fantasy made to order post, then you will see that there is plenty of people who want the Old World back. A lot of people ask for empire, high elf and wood elf instead of GW nonse, that we have now.

That's the thing though, it's the AoS Facebook. Alot of likes are coming from the AoS crowd who also love the Old World models.

I've seen plenty of new players get into AoS and the tabletop because of the great deal on the dawn spire box.

Same for the made to order, all of AoS players would love older models and are asking for really outdated armies like DoW to have AoS rules and Bretonnia to be added to the new fluff. (Heartily agree with both suggestions )

Anyway, I am very pleased to see all the Bretonnian fans come out of the wood work.

The Old World is still alive and kicking.

To some it never died.

I talked with some 9thAge players and they would come back for a GW setting. Hell I could see that GW hires some 9thAge guys to make the game fun and balanced. 

That's a mixed bag, there's alot of older players who don't want to return to GW and made that clear to them when the points were announced and they hopped onto Facebook to tell GW off like a bad soap opera. :rolleyes:

That still alot of hate that, mixed in with all the new competition, will make GW wary to try to tackle that market again.

Also, GW doesn't need the 9th team for a fun game. They've already made plenty of fun games.

Also GW will put as much effort to their Fantasy product line as much effort we ask and pay for. Its not just about how can GW make WARHAMMER FANTASY BATTLES GREAT AGAIN, it is also about how can we customers make GAMES WORKSHOP a great company.

What's that got to do with anything? GW's already a great company who put a ton of effort into Wfb when it wasn't selling well with great models, writing and army books.

Are you talking about the current model and artwork design? Those are fine, just maybe not everyone's cup of tea.

 Just Tony wrote:

Baron Klatz wrote:
Wait, is losing a second of sleep a good thing or bad?

It means I wouldn't have a shred of remorse at its passing.

Ah, I see. I like 9th age and how it's a nice alternative but I definitely see where you're coming from.

I liked Fantasy and 8th. If you don't see Fantasy players anymore it's because GW doesn't support our game anymore. I can't even play at my local GW a game i spent like over a thousand USD into. It's absolute garbage.

Considering the success of Total War, Blood Bowl and the release of IoB (even repackaged) i'd say it's a good indication they're giving us a chance. If it was old GW i'd say they've run out of ideas. However with new GW i'd say they're trying to bring back the old games and undo damage old GW did.

Far as AoS goes in the GW i'm at less people play it than played fantasy. A lot of AoS players can't seem to find anybody with AoS that have enough time to play. There was maybe one game on saturday and maybe 2-3 other players in the shop with one painting Magnus, one without enough stuff and the other just visiting. Week before nobody was playing AoS.

During 8th fantasy they always had a game of Fantasy on one of the 3-4 tables. In AoS they can't even get that. Less models and less customer base.

Even on Dakka there's only 3 big sub-sections for AoS while Fantasy had much more when it was supported.

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Personally i'll say while i hate AoS some enjoy it. If GW didn't kill our game and prevent us from playing it in their stores i'd actually be ok with it. However they do or at least the local GW manager does. I have fully moved on to 40k since. If GW wants to really do something to take away all the hate they can bring back fantasy or at least allow us people that spent 1,000 USD to play our game that they used to support in their stores just like all other games they made. Until then new GW isn't quite good enough.

I don't think GW main would or should bring back WHFB. The game would compete with AoS for attention and table space. Plus, most of the fluff GW writes these days is utter gak. Now, I would love to see Forge World do WHFB. They actually still write good fluff and their more mature style would fit the WHFB setting a lot better. Plus, they make some cracking models for the game. Their game devs are pretty decent too.

I'm rather mixed on more Wfb support from GW at the moment.

On the one hand the old guard definitely deserve to be able to play there old game even if only partially supported. (Though there's the cost of upholding two hard to sell games compared to just one to consider)

On the other, it would encourage the Old Guard to stick to their guns and instead of trying other systems that suit them better in rules or pricing they'd be more inclined to discourage AoS players and rage at GW.

I'd like to see AoS and Wfb co-exist but I'm not sure that the fans could.

Baron Klatz wrote:
I'm rather mixed on more Wfb support from GW at the moment.

On the one hand the old guard definitely deserve to be able to play there old game even if only partially supported. (Though there's the cost of upholding two hard to sell games compared to just one to consider)

On the other, it would encourage the Old Guard to stick to their guns and instead of trying other systems that suit them better in rules or pricing they'd be more inclined to discourage AoS players and rage at GW.

I'd like to see AoS and Wfb co-exist but I'm not sure that the fans could.

They do coexist currently. It's obvious part of the community sticks with older, unsopported (or barely supported) versions of WHFB or has moved to other commercial or fanmade offerings that keep the feel of the old WHFB rank-and-file game.

GW can keep waving AoS at them or they can say "there's a business opportunity there".

I do know that a lot of those re-released IoB minis are going to stay in their square bases, that's for sure. And a lot of start collecting boxes as well.

Baron Klatz wrote:That's the thing though, it's the AoS Facebook. Alot of likes are coming from the AoS crowd who also love the Old World models.

I've seen plenty of new players get into AoS and the tabletop because of the great deal on the dawn spire box.

Same for the made to order, all of AoS players would love older models and are asking for really outdated armies like DoW to have AoS rules and Bretonnia to be added to the new fluff. (Heartily agree with both suggestions )

Anyway, I am very pleased to see all the Bretonnian fans come out of the wood work.

This may be the most disingenuous thing I've seen from the AOS camp. So you've seen plenty of new players get into the game because of a boxed game that is still just preorder? You don't even see how that sounds? Are they pushing around empty rounds until their models get in? Probably not. There's no way anyone can honestly gauge how many people are preordering that set and for what. That's part of the problem, there's no metric unless there's a survey attached to the preorder to declare intent of gaming, which is pretty absurd when you think about it. The mad sale dash as people sought to complete those final WFB purchases has come and gone, and there are no indications that, at least in the US, the momentum is still there.

TheCustomLime wrote:I don't think GW main would or should bring back WHFB. The game would compete with AoS for attention and table space. Plus, most of the fluff GW writes these days is utter gak. Now, I would love to see Forge World do WHFB. They actually still write good fluff and their more mature style would fit the WHFB setting a lot better. Plus, they make some cracking models for the game. Their game devs are pretty decent too.

Compete with AOS. One is a mass skirmish game like 40K with synergies (Ugh. I may have thrown up in my mouth just typing that word...) taken straight from CCGs. Hell, even the limited window of releases is a page taken straight from M:TG. There's no competition. WFB would compete with Kings of War, which wouldn't be much of a competition unless they kept those godawful 8th Ed. rules. If anything, AOS is direct competition to WarmaHordes. And yeah, I really don't want WFB releases to be relegated to overly expensive FW stuff, only someone who wants to see the game fail would want that.