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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Has no model/no rules struck again, and this book is clearing house on old stuff they don't sell any more?

The SoB stuff is all back up and Celestine seems to have come off sale solely because the book came out, so I dunno if it's that. I think it's one of two things, neither mutually exclusive:

- It's something they farted out pre-Chrimbo to snatch a bit of cash from people uninterested in the Chaos stuff.

- It smells like yet another fething supplement aimed at Marines players. No more Servo Skulls, but here's easy access to Valkyries and Priests and DCAs and whatnot, now with no tax so you can run them alongside your Gladius! Hooray for Marines!

 pretre wrote:
I'm going to stay positive until we get more info.

I'm not dismissing it out of hand, but I'm sure as gak not pre-ordering it.

Also, those formation details were from 4chan and almost certainly fake.

Shame, that. GW should maybe get those dudes to write the next Sisters book they put out.

This just seems like a really poorly done book. I don't really get the point of it. You still can't put units in other peoples transports as far as we can tell, sisters lost their only decent hq option, inquisitors lose servo skulls which was their best piece of wargear, the whole thing doesn't make any sense.

I wish the reviews were more detailed or done by people who know literally anything about the armies so we could get a decent fething idea of how this thing actually works.

Commisar wrote:
Sort of, what we have at the moment is a non-FOC slot occupying battle conclave that can include a mixture of those three units and requires a priest to unlock.

My reading of the last leak posted leads me to beleave that that unit may be gone, and have been replaced with three new elites choices. Death Cult Assassins, Crusaders and Arco Flagellants. - the website said these could be used to forfill an elites requirement.

It's not really a good thing, but it does represent a material change if true.

So you no longer need a Priest to unlock a unit that only functions properly (or rather, at all) with a Priest in it, and now, instead of mixing Crusaders, Arcoflagellants and DCAs, you take one or the other in three seperate squads?

Innovation right there, folks.

Any idea on when the Sisters stuff is going to pop up on the GW US webstore?

 BBAP wrote:

Commisar wrote:
Sort of, what we have at the moment is a non-FOC slot occupying battle conclave that can include a mixture of those three units and requires a priest to unlock.

My reading of the last leak posted leads me to beleave that that unit may be gone, and have been replaced with three new elites choices. Death Cult Assassins, Crusaders and Arco Flagellants. - the website said these could be used to forfill an elites requirement.

It's not really a good thing, but it does represent a material change if true.

So you no longer need a Priest to unlock a unit that only functions properly (or rather, at all) with a Priest in it, and now, instead of mixing Crusaders, Arcoflagellants and DCAs, you take one or the other in three seperate squads?

Innovation right there, folks.

That is pretty funny, crusaders are only good because they can have deathcult for killin and preists for reroll saves, deathcult are only good because they have crusaders for tanking and preists for reroll wounds. Breaking up that squad just make deathcult subpar repentia and crusaders basically just stormshields wandering around.

MFW if Celestine is REALLY Gone ill be Allying in 1 BSS and Celestine to My Imperial Agents

Only Hope would be a PROPER SoB Release with a New AWESOME Celestine Model (Or Living Saint Model Of which Celestine is a Special Character one)

ERJAK wrote:
Breaking up that squad just make deathcult subpar repentia and crusaders basically just stormshields wandering around.

Sounds about right. That may not be what they've done, we'll have to wait and see, but if they have, then... yeah.

I think people have to except that this is it for SoB it is basicly in this book so that GW can continue to say they will never squat a whole army again.

Also true story - Squats outsold SoB and they got fed to the nids, just be thankful that the whole force did not get used for deodorant for the GK.

Saying that there is an upcoming storyline which is taylor made to take SoB out back and put them out of our misery.
When the loyalist primarchs and maybe even the big man himself arrive back. How are they going to feel about a bunch of religous fanatics who can use sorcery running around the place. I am just saying it is lucky they like cleansing flame.

Well, RIP Celestine
Not even Her "Divine Intervention" Rule Can Save Her...

According to the B&C review, Deathcult Assassins, Crusaders and Arco-flagellants are separate units, but you can also take them together as a formation with a Priest to create a Battle Conclave. So I expect the unit versions to be 1+ like the Deathwatch specialists.

I'm interested to see how they handle Inquisitorial Henchmen given this though...

yeah this makes me fear for you know my entire inquisition army .. :\

SeanDrake wrote:

Also true story - Squats outsold SoB and they got fed to the nids, just be thankful that the whole force did not get used for deodorant for the GK.

Squats hadn't been sold for over a decade when they were officially written out of the setting. I don't even think Squats and SoB ever co-existed. If Squats were sold post-1997, it was solely through mail order and you'd have to have asked nicely.

SeanDrake wrote:
When the loyalist primarchs and maybe even the big man himself arrive back. How are they going to feel about a bunch of religous fanatics who can use sorcery running around the place. I am just saying it is lucky they like cleansing flame.

To be perfectly honest I'm fething sick of the Primarchs already and they haven't even arrived yet. If "more Marines, but bigger" turns out to be the next great leap in the 40k narrative then Sisters of Battle won't be the only ones leaving the setting.

Thommy H wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

Also true story - Squats outsold SoB and they got fed to the nids, just be thankful that the whole force did not get used for deodorant for the GK.

Squats hadn't been sold for over a decade when they were officially written out of the setting. I don't even think Squats and SoB ever co-existed. If Squats were sold post-1997, it was solely through mail order and you'd have to have asked nicely.

Squats were no longer sold when I started playing WH40k in 1994. Their only 2nd edition reference was the 2nd Edition black book army list when they did the rules reset from Rogue Trader. By the time women in scantily clad power armor showed up, the squats were not an army or really in the fluff. Eventually in 3rd edition they were called a humans akin to the ratling snipers from the IG.

So the real reason VeteranNoob hasn't given us as much information as he did for TL is because full disclosure would ensure no pre-orders for what sounds like a massive jumbled flop of a mess of a half-thought out Codex. At least by limiting spoilers GW have ensured a few people will throw money away for a pile of trash rather than nobody.

Commisar wrote:
It *seems* like the situation for sisters is:

**snip**

But we can still use Codex Adepta Sororitas. This release does nothing to change that.

This isn't the rumoured new codex with plastic sprinkles.

Loopstah wrote:
So the real reason VeteranNoob hasn't given us as much information as he did for TL is because full disclosure would ensure no pre-orders for what sounds like a massive jumbled flop of a mess of a half-thought out Codex. At least by limiting spoilers GW have ensured a few people will throw money away for a pile of trash rather than nobody.

What works for Creative Assembly will work for GW!

This was always gonna be a cut-and-paste release. Not sure what people expected, tbh.

Hey. I didn't drop the review here because I expected questions I probably shouldn't/couldn't answer and that would just be more frustrating. It's clearly obvious I revealed waaaaay too much last time and needed to make sure I don't lose my agreement with GW. May have scaled it back too much, dunno. Spent more time cutting than writing, actually. With TL I was nervous, then saw other reviews revealing even more, then nervous again, then people took and leaked actual pics so it didn't matter anymore. But yes, I had a conversation and to be fair, I understand where they're coming from. Still need some surprises for people who buy the book.

I'll watch other reviews this weekend and see what they say, but if this helps...these are not replacements for your dexes, they're just some options, especially if you have some models or want to field a fun small ally detachment or bespoke army. Not OP, imo, but the reserves rolls and psykers can be quite nice.

Veterannoob: You don't know anything about the Canoness's rules do you?

Celestine wasn't even good. I don't know what the complaint is.

If those formations I saw earlier are correct it does some fixing that you guys didn't really need, so you should be happy instead of griping.

*edit* Sorry wrong thread.

VeteranNoob, could you please answer these two questions:

1) Can inquisitors finally get some sort of a force field (for invulnerable save)?

2) Is there any rules that would allow an inquisitor to join their chamber militant squad (GK, DW, SoB) in their transports during the deployment?

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Veterannoob: You don't know anything about the Canoness's rules do you?

She has the usual rules but can give her/her unit hatred in combat. A generic HQ, using art of old model. I'll get the new one.

Thommy H wrote:
According to the B&C review, Deathcult Assassins, Crusaders and Arco-flagellants are separate units, but you can also take them together as a formation with a Priest to create a Battle Conclave. So I expect the unit versions to be 1+ like the Deathwatch specialists.

I'm interested to see how they handle Inquisitorial Henchmen given this though...

I actually like that a lot.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
Hey. I didn't drop the review here because I expected questions I probably shouldn't/couldn't answer and that would just be more frustrating. It's clearly obvious I revealed waaaaay too much last time and needed to make sure I don't lose my agreement with GW. May have scaled it back too much, dunno. Spent more time cutting than writing, actually. With TL I was nervous, then saw other reviews revealing even more, then nervous again, then people took and leaked actual pics so it didn't matter anymore. But yes, I had a conversation and to be fair, I understand where they're coming from. Still need some surprises for people who buy the book.

I'll watch other reviews this weekend and see what they say, but if this helps...these are not replacements for your dexes, they're just some options, especially if you have some models or want to field a fun small ally detachment or bespoke army. Not OP, imo, but the reserves rolls and psykers can be quite nice.

Thanks Vet - totally understand you position - its hard being kinda offical - thanks for all the info so far:

Any of the following would be helpful for many of us how are dismayed/ uncertain about what has been revealed:

Does the CIA Codex replace the Adepta Sorroitas Codex - importantly is this stated anywhere.
Do the Sister keep Shield of Fauth as a general rule across their army
Any word on the new Canoness statss
Any way for Inquisitors to use the various transport options in the CIA dex

thanks

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Celestine wasn't even good. I don't know what the complaint is.

If those formations I saw earlier are correct it does some fixing that you guys didn't really need, so you should be happy instead of griping.

Yes she was good, think about removing Tigerus, Farsight or Eldread etc and see what would have happened.

No they don;t exisit - if it was Eldar/Necron/Tau or Marine - they would have been. There are apparently two formations - one to give attached IC's shield of Faith and the other to allow a single re-roll of 1's on armour saves - hardly in keeping with the usual Codex boosts.

I guess it's good news this codex doesn't invalidate codex adeptus sororitas as Saint Celestine is still a valid unit.

Hopefully the plastic sisters rumour are still true and thus a sisters codex is imminent and we get a new Saint Celestine model. She may not be the best HQ in the game but she was decent and really brought out the theme of battle sisters and tidier religious fanaticism.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
I'll watch other reviews this weekend and see what they say, but if this helps...these are not replacements for your dexes, they're just some options

C:AS is still usable, then? Might not be so bad after all.

 BBAP wrote:


- It smells like yet another fething supplement aimed at Marines players. No more Servo Skulls, but here's easy access to Valkyries and Priests and DCAs and whatnot, now with no tax so you can run them alongside your Gladius! Hooray for Marines!

If it's really divided into factions ( i doubt it, but possible), then it doesn't even do that. Those valkyries are worse vendettas in that case since nobody can use them, not even the units in the CODEX it's in ^_-
It seems like a complete mess of a book right now. And for sister's it's all but an official "we don't care anymore" stamp. I thought we'd get a codex around february maybe, but now that this has the whole army, why would they go and make a new sisters codex or updated army rules now that this has them. And a decurion doesn't fix a footslogging hatred once a game canoness.

And a proposition for veteranNoob. Maybe you could split you're reviews into previews the day preorders go live and an actual review the week later? The preview could perhaps reveal "small" things like whether or not these are actually different factions.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Celestine wasn't even good. I don't know what the complaint is.

She was good. She wasn't necessary to the army, but she was a decent scrapper and had been around since 3rd Edition so she had some provenance. People were sad to see her go.

Not me, I didn't care either way, but I can understand why people were annoyed.

If those formations I saw earlier are correct

They're not.

it does some fixing that you guys didn't really need,

Makes Sisters better at what they do and removes the tax from some of their better units, so they become more functional as Allies. Again, not "needed", but it's the kind of thing you expect devs to do for armies in their game system. The bare minimum you should expect, actually.

so you should be happy instead of griping.

If gak sucks, you should gripe. If you don't like to read the griping, go somewhere else. Nobody's compelled to provide content to your exacting standards or respect your precious little sensibilities.