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I think most people just want this model and not a full sisters army. Not to say that sister wouldn't sell well, just not to the extent of this model.

I think they would sell equally well honestly.

But GW does not care.

S.Y.

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
The perception of special characters may be an old one, but the idea is that they are 'cheap'. Don't rely on special gimmicks and make your own HQs. That's how it's always been perceived in my area.

Okay, cool, then I guess I'll make my own super-cool living saint with a super-cool background. Oh wait there are rules for customizable living saint, right? Oh no there aren't. Well, I'll make a custom Canoness with jump pack then! Oh wait there ain't rule for that too.
I really can't imagine why Sisters players don't use customizable characters .

GW employees are scratching their heads why someone would want to buy GIRLS. Seriously, they're GIRLS. Who wants GIRLS?!

Ragnar69 wrote:
I think most people just want this model and not a full sisters army. Not to say that sister wouldn't sell well, just not to the extent of this model.

Guess we will not know until they actually try

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:

 Thunderfrog wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Um, that army list is illegal. The zombies are limited to a single unit.

So his list was too resilient for what the game allows with far more board control than what is in a single list and still only got second place.

You can't make the statement of whether or not someone "gets it" when the tournament in question doesn't know what the rulez for the game are...


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Edit: nevermind. Misread something

It isn't. The Rengades of Vracks book from forgeworld changed the wording on covenant of nurgle. It's a small thing, but the taking of the covenant leads to any number of zombie units. Please don't stir the kool-aid if you don't know the flavor.

Except I play against that army at least once a month. If you are using the siege of vracks, your army is outdated. Imperial armour renegades and heretics upgraded those rules and it stipulates that the army may include A UNIT of zombies as a troop choice if you have the covenant of Nurgle. If your tourney allowed outdated rules, that doesn't point to the game being broken in any way.

Also, they still only placed second.

It's great you play against it. I own the book. The most recent version of the the detachment is in this book.

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/Imperial-Armour-The-Siege-of-Vraks

That has a bunch of stuff in it, as well as a very specific army list for Renegades of Vraks.

The army list is fundamentally the same, as are the warlord traits, with a couple of exceptions:

- First: you make not take the Covenant/Dedication of Tzeentch or Slaanesh anywhere in the army.
- Second: Heretek Magus, Mutant Overlord and Bloody-Handed Reaver demagogue devotions are replaced by Ordnance Tyrant and Shock Legion Taskmaster.
- Third: Special Characters which are Vraks-only.
- Fourth: Chaos Sigil grant stubborn and a re-roll per game turn rather than the ability to completely ignore a failed check.
- Fifth: No Valkyries or Arvus lighter. Like you were gonna take a frakkin Arvus anyway.

The rule for Covenant of Nurgle now reads that " you may take units of plague zombies or 1 unit of blight drones." That's a plural. Chaos spawn also got loosened up.

I played this list the entire ITC 2016 season, got first in my division, and placed highly at several GT's with no list challenges. I know you are incorrect.

I have the codex in hand if anyone has any questions, I also have 2 spare Canonesses if anyone is really desperate.

 dan2026 wrote:
The woman there was giving me all this crap about 'well because it's made of resin, we can only make like 50 before the mold breaks...' 'this wouldn't be a problem if it was plastic as those masters last forever '
So I was like 'why the heck didn't you make it out of plastic then!?

GWs incompetence over this thing is staggering.

Because plastic moulds cost way more to manufacture. It also affects how the miniature is designed, so they'd not only have to have an expected number of sales they'd have to know that number months in advance. And even plastic isn't immune to being under produced, you make as many as you think you're going to sell, if you need to make more then you have to go back to the production line and tell them to make more then package them up and send them to distribution centres across the globe, doing that takes time.

Had a quick flip trough the codex on the ferry home and 2 things stood out like sore tumbs.

First was the 100 Crusader/Arco/Death cult formation and the other was the Inquisition one.

The monkey rule as we know is on a 6+ you can chose 2, the ones that seem best are 1+ armour and Rending.

So you can have a unit with 10 acolytes with 2+ armour save 100% guaranteed. The question is if you get the GK, SoB or Deathwatch squad in the unit as well. If you do you could have 20 more 2+ armoured models. If it's units of Crusaders instead of models you could have 10 3++ saves in there as well.

Adding a tech priest enginseer is completely useless, you can't add servitors and the only thing he can do is repair vehicles or give one machine spirit. So you can't add servitors to the unit, not through any means I've seen.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 dan2026 wrote:
The woman there was giving me all this crap about 'well because it's made of resin, we can only make like 50 before the mold breaks...' 'this wouldn't be a problem if it was plastic as those masters last forever '
So I was like 'why the heck didn't you make it out of plastic then!?

GWs incompetence over this thing is staggering.

Because plastic moulds cost way more to manufacture. It also affects how the miniature is designed, so they'd not only have to have an expected number of sales they'd have to know that number months in advance. And even plastic isn't immune to being under produced, you make as many as you think you're going to sell, if you need to make more then you have to go back to the production line and tell them to make more then package them up and send them to distribution centres across the globe, doing that takes time.

If only there were some way of gauging interest before you release a product... Some platform you could use to ask your customerbase about what future releases they would be interested in...

So if immolators are plastic doesn't that mean that there is technically one plastic sister? The lady manning the gun...

NivlacSupreme wrote:
So if immolators are plastic doesn't that mean that there is technically one plastic sister? The lady manning the gun...

technically yes.

I wonder how long until the haters will insist we have got plastic sisters now.

buying a 40 pound tank to model each figure yourself is just bad.

S.Y.

Adding a tech priest enginseer is completely useless, you can't add servitors and the only thing he can do is repair vehicles or give one machine spirit. So you can't add servitors to the unit, not through any means I've seen.

Thats correct - it would be fluffy to have one in your unit but not exactly clever - also its stupid that the Tech-Priest can only awaken Astra Militarum vehicles and not say Ad Mech ones.

 StupidYellow wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
So if immolators are plastic doesn't that mean that there is technically one plastic sister? The lady manning the gun...

technically yes.

I wonder how long until the haters will insist we have got plastic sisters now.

buying a 40 pound tank to model each figure yourself is just bad.

I have seen small forces using the plastic immolater torso to convert dark eldar into sisters

The plastic sister in the immolator is pretty much only a torso and head. She doesn't have a back as that part is pushed against the chair. Her legs are stuck to the chair. The only thing you can use her for is as drivers for other vehicles unless you do some serious conversion work.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
Had a quick flip trough the codex on the ferry home and 2 things stood out like sore tumbs.

First was the 100 Crusader/Arco/Death cult formation and the other was the Inquisition one.

The monkey rule as we know is on a 6+ you can chose 2, the ones that seem best are 1+ armour and Rending.

So you can have a unit with 10 acolytes with 2+ armour save 100% guaranteed. The question is if you get the GK, SoB or Deathwatch squad in the unit as well. If you do you could have 20 more 2+ armoured models. If it's units of Crusaders instead of models you could have 10 3++ saves in there as well.

Adding a tech priest enginseer is completely useless, you can't add servitors and the only thing he can do is repair vehicles or give one machine spirit. So you can't add servitors to the unit, not through any means I've seen.

I am compiling issues with the codex here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/711405.page

 kodos wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
So if immolators are plastic doesn't that mean that there is technically one plastic sister? The lady manning the gun...

technically yes.

I wonder how long until the haters will insist we have got plastic sisters now.

buying a 40 pound tank to model each figure yourself is just bad.

I have seen small forces using the plastic immolater torso to convert dark eldar into sisters

got to admire the dedication there.

kudos.

S.Y.

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Honest, this really shows how popular they are as an army.

They make one new model, and they literally cannot make enough of them!

Those mythical "8 sisters players" must have a huge pile of resin to play with right now

Actually it just shows you how popular that hack Blanche is and that some people will buy anything they think is limited. They could just be Lady Gaga fans also.

But realistically it shows people will buy 1 £16 figure based on a "iconic" piece of art. (jesus I feel dirty calling it art let alone iconic)

SeanDrake wrote:

Lythrandire Biehrellian wrote:
Honest, this really shows how popular they are as an army.

They make one new model, and they literally cannot make enough of them!

Those mythical "8 sisters players" must have a huge pile of resin to play with right now

Actually it just shows you how popular that hack Blanche is and that some people will buy anything they think is limited. They could just be Lady Gaga fans also.

But realistically it shows people will buy 1 £16 figure based on a "iconic" piece of art. (jesus I feel dirty calling it art let alone iconic)

this is exactly how gw see it and not the first SoB figure since 2003??

edit do you think Hieronymus Bosch is an artist ? because blanche seems very inspired by him.

S.Y.

Has anyone else clocked that a Canoness can take an Eviscerator now? Used to be preexists only.

Commisar wrote:
Has anyone else clocked that a Canoness can take an Eviscerator now? Used to be preexists only.

No she could take it for 30pts before - it was on her Melee weapon list restricted to her and Priests.

Maybe......ok hear me out.......they're making a new celestine model/rules? They could easily put it in any of the supplements. Heck, even something black crusade related.

I feel like anyone who wanted Celestine already owns her by now. Are there people complaining who don't have her already? I'm honestly curious as to why they haven't.

I know, I know, people would play sisters they made all plastic sisters, but they haven't yet. They just rearranged how they boxed/priced their current ones. It's not a sisters update, its not an anything update if you ask me. Its just a nice physical copy of previously all digital rulesets. I don't think its worth getting upset over.

Commisar wrote:
Has anyone else clocked that a Canoness can take an Eviscerator now? Used to be preexists only.

I wish Sister Superiors could take them again, then again at 30pts you might as well take 3 more arco flagellants.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Commisar wrote:
Has anyone else clocked that a Canoness can take an Eviscerator now? Used to be preexists only.

No she could take it for 30pts before - it was on her Melee weapon list restricted to her and Priests.

I've got the old codex in front of me because I am doing a page by page comparison.

Eviscerator has an astrix, Ministorum Preist only. Check it.

Commisar wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Commisar wrote:
Has anyone else clocked that a Canoness can take an Eviscerator now? Used to be preexists only.

No she could take it for 30pts before - it was on her Melee weapon list restricted to her and Priests.

I've got the old codex in front of me because I am doing a page by page comparison.

Eviscerator has an astrix, Ministorum Preist only. Check it.

1 asterisk is "Canoness or Ministorum priest only".
2 asterisks is "Ministorum Priest only"

Commisar wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Commisar wrote:
Has anyone else clocked that a Canoness can take an Eviscerator now? Used to be preexists only.

No she could take it for 30pts before - it was on her Melee weapon list restricted to her and Priests.

I've got the old codex in front of me because I am doing a page by page comparison.

Eviscerator has an astrix, Ministorum Preist only. Check it.

You looking at WD or Digital?
Digital has this:

* Canoness and Ministorum Priest only.

You are looking at : ** Ministorum Priest only.

In WD an Eviscerator cost 25pts, same as SMs do now. WHY?!?!?!?! Is it 30pts now?

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

Commisar wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Commisar wrote:
Has anyone else clocked that a Canoness can take an Eviscerator now? Used to be preexists only.

No she could take it for 30pts before - it was on her Melee weapon list restricted to her and Priests.

I've got the old codex in front of me because I am doing a page by page comparison.

Eviscerator has an astrix, Ministorum Preist only. Check it.

You looking at WD or Digital?
Digital has this:

* Canoness and Ministorum Priest only.

You are looking at : ** Ministorum Priest only.

Oh I see. The wargear list on page 65 is as you say.

The Tooltip on the Canoness Entry, page 69 tap on "melee weapons" is as I say.

I never knew.

Ragnar69 wrote:
I think most people just want this model and not a full sisters army. Not to say that sister wouldn't sell well, just not to the extent of this model.

That is probably a safe bet as anyone wanting a full sisters army would get it, as well as anyone else liking it.
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NivlacSupreme wrote:
So if immolators are plastic doesn't that mean that there is technically one plastic sister? The lady manning the gun...

IIRC there is that one, and an upper body vehicle crew.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:


If only there were some way of gauging interest before you release a product... Some platform you could use to ask your customerbase about what future releases they would be interested in...

Unless you're paying upfront I don't think that'd be a very good indicator. On top of that it would take longer to get the model from announcement to official release so people would just complain about that.

So it's not impossible to do the sisters in plastic like they claimed. Also I have a Veridiyan and her mouldin isn't very clear. The little skulls on her corset thingy are more like blobs.