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Or maybe its made with the new edition in mind.

I wonder if the imoerialagents book will mix al the smaller codices together into bite size portions that imperial players can use for allies?

Like, a grey knight formation of 1-3 terminator squads and 0-1 HQs with a formation bonus to deep striking to show them intervening, to give you little fluffy options for allying them in, while the GK codex proper will still be used to represent a GK brotherhood deploying to war on its own.

It will be interesting to see!

Predictions of factions:

Wyrdvanes (replacing the Astra telepathica)
Inquisition
Assassins
Sisters
GKs
Deathwatch
Ad Mech
Skitarii
Knights

 Melissia wrote:
My cynicism will soon be paid off, and once again Sisters are going to get screwed over again-- oh yey, I get to tell people "I told you so". How great for me.

Well Sisters players wouldn't be Sisters players if they were simultaneously unhappy about the stuff they don't have, the stuff they do have, the stuff they're getting, and the stuff they're not getting.

 Melissia wrote:
Because it'll be another excuse to not have a proper release. And GW doesn't exactly need any more excuses.

GW doesn't need any excuses, because they don't need an excuse to do or not do something. If they wanted to get rid of Sisters, they would have.

 Crazyterran wrote:


Predictions of factions:

Wyrdvanes (replacing the Astra telepathica)
Inquisition
Assassins
Sisters
GKs
Deathwatch
Ad Mech
Skitarii
Knights

I'd reckon something pretty similar, though I think we are less likely to see Ad Mech and Skitarrii and more likely to see Militarum Tempestus (as that could have literally been 2 double sided pages for all the rules and units in it).

I'm excited to see what GW is doing with the Imperial Agents, but perhaps even more so for traitor legions. I haven't played Chaos since 4th edition (Night Lords!), and said I never would unless they brought back the legions. Maybe when 8th rolls around I might give Chaos another try.

Just in time to be made redundant by a new edition in 6 months or so.

 Sabotage! wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:


Predictions of factions:

Wyrdvanes (replacing the Astra telepathica)
Inquisition
Assassins
Sisters
GKs
Deathwatch
Ad Mech
Skitarii
Knights

I'd reckon something pretty similar, though I think we are less likely to see Ad Mech and Skitarrii and more likely to see Militarum Tempestus (as that could have literally been 2 double sided pages for all the rules and units in it).

I'm excited to see what GW is doing with the Imperial Agents, but perhaps even more so for traitor legions. I haven't played Chaos since 4th edition (Night Lords!), and said I never would unless they brought back the legions. Maybe when 8th rolls around I might give Chaos another try.

I knew I was missing someone!

This next month is going to be interesting to see, and maybe extra rules and special detachments will help Chaos overcome the weaknesses of the main book?

I mean, if Iron Warriors can be silly broken again, we will see a lot more metal and hazard stripes... again...

 Crazyterran wrote:
I wonder if the imoerialagents book will mix al the smaller codices together into bite size portions that imperial players can use for allies?

Like, a grey knight formation of 1-3 terminator squads and 0-1 HQs with a formation bonus to deep striking to show them intervening, to give you little fluffy options for allying them in, while the GK codex proper will still be used to represent a GK brotherhood deploying to war on its own.

It will be interesting to see!

Predictions of factions:

Wyrdvanes (replacing the Astra telepathica)
Inquisition
Assassins
Sisters
GKs
Deathwatch
Ad Mech
Skitarii
Knights

I think most are covered here, but I reckon AM stuff will stay separate. If it's nine, these would be my guesses:

Adeptus Custodes
Adeptus Sororitas
Astra Telepathica – Sisters of Silence
Astra Telepathica – Wyrdvane sanctioned psykers
Militarum Tempestus - Scions
Officio Assassinorum
Ordo Hereticus – Inquisition
Ordo Malleus – Grey Knights
Ordo Xenos – Deathwatch

Although knights also make sense as well...

Nah your lit above is probably right, unless the Sisters of Silence just get rolled in with the telepathica as a faction.

I think they will just put the Inquisition Codex in the new book, and update and/or remove things, like Chimera fire points (my Jokaero kill team, nooo) and getting rid of psybolt ammo.

Edit: if they do Knights in there, maybe it will be a Freeblade that can be mixed and matched like the Chaos Knights?

I am not sure this means they are rolling GK and SOB into this codex.

My reading of that last paragraph is that you will be able to use the agents alongside, for example, your existing SoB army.

They're not rolling anything into anything. This is a Codex that allows armies to bring a squad/character from another faction in their Imperial army, so a Marine army with a squad of Sisters, or a Guard army with a Deathwatch Kill-Team.

It does not mean the Grey Knight Codex is subsumed by this.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They're not rolling anything into anything. This is a Codex that allows armies to bring a squad/character from another faction in their Imperial army, so a Marine army with a squad of Sisters, or a Guard army with a Deathwatch Kill-Team.

It does not mean the Grey Knight Codex is subsumed by this.

Yeah, I'd be surprised if you see dread knights, or the corvus (sp?) or watch masters, or grey knight librarians, paladins...

Basically, I imagine it will be mostly the more bare bones units. Standard troop choices etc.

I think it's cool though, and it harks back to what I have said a few times. The grey knights or kill teams were so so so much better when they were more mysterious and just one specialist unit as allies etc.

@HMBC: Agreed. I've seen folks say the opposite however, and I was stating that I didn't think this was so.

Apologies for not being clear.

Good news for the traitor scum, too. I member getting the was it fourth edition CSM codex where their background basically turned them into x gang of whiny teenagers. Put that brand new Army Box straight on eBay.

Hopefully GW will roll up their sculpting sleeves and start chucking out new plastic kits. Think they would sell shed loads.

Good news all round!

H.B.M.C. is happy and other posters are trying to shoot him down with their cynicism. Truly these are the End Times.

Can't wait to see the traitor legions book, "imperial agents" not so much - it's harder to keep an open mind about that given the extremely barebones, half-arsed job they've done with that subject in recent years. Still, who knows, maybe it'll be half-decent.

Nobody thinks of imperial Cults like redemptionists?

Or dare I say the dreaded S word?

S.Y.

I like how people are rejoicing and despairing over these new books despite the fact we know next to nothing about them. Maybe wait a little and see what we're actually dealing with here?

I want to believe but in my heart I know it'll just cut and paste...

 Rinkydink wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
I wonder if the imoerialagents book will mix al the smaller codices together into bite size portions that imperial players can use for allies?

Like, a grey knight formation of 1-3 terminator squads and 0-1 HQs with a formation bonus to deep striking to show them intervening, to give you little fluffy options for allying them in, while the GK codex proper will still be used to represent a GK brotherhood deploying to war on its own.

It will be interesting to see!

Predictions of factions:

Wyrdvanes (replacing the Astra telepathica)
Inquisition
Assassins
Sisters
GKs
Deathwatch
Ad Mech
Skitarii
Knights

I think most are covered here, but I reckon AM stuff will stay separate. If it's nine, these would be my guesses:

Adeptus Custodes
Adeptus Sororitas
Astra Telepathica – Sisters of Silence
Astra Telepathica – Wyrdvane sanctioned psykers
Militarum Tempestus - Scions
Officio Assassinorum
Ordo Hereticus – Inquisition
Ordo Malleus – Grey Knights
Ordo Xenos – Deathwatch

Although knights also make sense as well...

Personally, I'd rather see Knights rolled into an Adeptus Mechanicus codex, with a bit of fluff about Imperial Knights and a Knight Household as a formation. The Getting Started and now Battleforce have both been labeled as Adeptus Mechanicus and combined units from both codices.

If they do make Sisters of Silence, Wyrdvane squads, and maybe astropaths/Primaris psykers into the Astra Telepathica faction, that would free up a slot for the other single unit Imperial codex- Legion of the Damned.

So Sisters of Battle go from codex Sisters of Battle to Codex Witch Hunters to WD Codex Adepta Sororitas to Digital Codex Adepta Sororitas and finally to Codex Imperial Agents?

Seems they are being thrown back and forth allot, then again the best Sisters codex was the 3E Witch Hunters codex. So now we go back to codex Witch Hunters but this time with Ordo Xenos and Malleus included.

What if...What if...ADEPTUS ARBITES? :O

 Souleater wrote:
Hopefully GW will roll up their sculpting sleeves and start chucking out new plastic kits. Think they would sell shed loads.

Something Sad Panda said about the GW sculpting process has me curious here. Panda basically said that they have a library of basic CAD designs (Marines in Mk.VII, Mk.VI, regular Terminators, etc.) and then libraries of faction specific add-ons (the example given was a "Tzeentch library"), that they can use to modify the existing designs. So Tartaros Terminator CAD + Tzeentch Library Details = Pure Awesomeness.

If that's the case, then it couldn't be too hard to do the same thing for the other Cult armies.

 Souleater wrote:
Good news all round!

Especially for Chaos players who have been waiting for Chaos to be Chaos against since they got rid 3.5 and replaced it with that horrendous 'Chaos' Codex in 4th Ed.

 CragHack wrote:
What if...What if...ADEPTUS ARBITES? :O

This wouldn't really fit as they aren't agents, they are just a police force. You would call people working for the Secret Service, FBI, CIA, KGB etc Agents but not anyone from the local police force. Also there are no models for them so they wouldn't be in the book (unless we'd see a release for them in Dec).

I'm getting some bad vibes from the Agents book. So from what I understand it will contain 9 smaller sub factions? So expected factions have been mentioned above, but what worries me is the wording that you can include "...Grey Knight Terminator squads...". What this leads me to believe is that the GK codex will not be included, instead all you will get is a GK Captain of sorts and perhaps a troop and elite choice. So will this book be a bad mash up that just happen to include rules on how to include 1HQ, 1Troop and 1 Elite from GK, SoB and Deathwatch? Something you can already do using the allies rules?

How big is this codex? Normal book size is 104 pages or am I completely off? If they included everything wouldn't the rules take up like 50-60 pages alone?

I'm starting to think codex imperial agents will just be a book of formations for factions that don't have them yet (inquisition, grey knights, etc...), maybe with one or two new models in the same vein as the angels of death supplement.

Would be nice to have some new formations for the assassins, but I don't see them getting new stats because then they'd conflict with the rules in the execution force box set.

"Imperial Agents" is just a term that goes back to 2nd Edition, when the black and white Codex Army Lists pamphlet in the main box included everything Imperial that wasn't Guard or Space Marines under that heading. It included Inquisitors, Sororitas, Mechanicus, Assassins, Ecclasiarchy priests, Sanctioned Psykers and, yes, Arbites.

So anything is fair game for this. Arbites are really the quintessential Imperial Agents faction alongside the Inquisition. They won't be included without models though...

So lets do some basic math shall we

Adepta Sororitas: 16
SC HQ - Saint Celestine
SC HQ - Uriah Jacobus
HQ - Canoness
HQ - Ecclesiarchy Battle Conclave - Arco-flagellant, Death Cult Assassin, Crusader
HQ - Ministorum Priest
HQ - Sororitas Command Squad - Celestian, Hospitaller, Dialogus
Troop - Battle Sister Squad
DT - Sororitas Rhino
DT - Immolator
Elite - Celestian Squad
Elite - Repentia Squad
FA - Seraphim Squad
FA - Dominion Squad
HS - Exorcist
HS - Penitent Engine
HS - Retributor Squad

Deathwatch: 17
HQ - Watch Master
HQ - Watch Captain
HQ - Watch Chaplain
HQ - Librarian
Troop - Veterans
Elite - Terminators
Elite - Dreadnought
Elite - Venerable Dreadnought
Elite - Vanguard Veterans
FA - Bikers
FA - Rhino
FA - Razorback
FA - Drop Pod
FA - Corvus Blackstar
HS - Land Raider
HS - Land Raider Redeemer
HS - Land Raider Crusader

Grey Knights: 21
HQ - Brother Captain
SC HQ - Brother-Captain Stern
HQ - Brotherhood Champion
SC HQ - Castellan Crowe
HQ - Librarian
HQ - Techmarine
Troop - Strike Squad
Troop - Terminator Squad
Elite - Purifier Squad
Elite - Paladin Squad
Elite - Dreadnought
FA - Rhino
FA - Razorback
FA - Interceptor Squad
FA - Stormraven Gunship
HS - Purgation Squad
HS - Nemesis Dreadknight
HS - Land Raider
HS - Land Raider Redeemer
HS - Land Raider Crusader
LOW - Kaldor Draigo

Codex Inquisition: 14
HQ - Inquisitor Coteaz
HQ - Inquisitor Karamazov
HQ - Ordo Malleus Inquisitor
HQ - Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor
HQ - Ordo Xenos Inquisitor
Elites - Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband - Acolyte, Arco-flagellant, Crusader, Daemonhost, Death Cult Assassin, Jokaero Weaponsmith, Ministorum Priest, Mystic, Psyker, Servitor
DT - Rhino
DT - Razorback
DT - Chimera
DT - Valkyrie
DT - Land Raider
DT - Land Raider Crusader
DT - Land Raider Redeemer

Codex Officio Assassinorum: 4
Elite - Vindicare Assassin
Elite - Callidus Assassin
Elite - Eversor Assassin
Elite - Culexus Assassin

I see no point in listing the remaining codexes as it's clear to me from this point that they aren't combining the codexes mentioned above. They could but we all know that GW Codexes HAVE TO contain allot of fluff and a picture gallery of every single model in the codex, rules come second in GWs eyes (Codex Iyanden anyone? 1 page of rules, 1 page of relics and 1 page of warlord traits).

So what we are probably looking it as is a small codex where they simply combine the smaller factions and to flesh it out include options for 1HQ, 1Troop and 1Elite from codex SoB, GK and DW, which in itself is pointless as you can already do this with allies.

Another book needed to play?

Getting this image of your average wargamer, weighed down by army carry cases, and a library full of books, struggling to take a step forward....

Then he or she keels over, stuff scatters everywhere, and scavenging dog monkeys swoop like vultures, grab the stuff and run off

A normal company, i.e 99.9% of the business world, would look to fix the core problem i.e 40k rules

They wouldn't just keep piling mnore and more stuff on.

Kinda reminds me of my brother in law - if he has a problem with one part of the house, he just adds another room, rather than fix the original problem!

We know that 8th is coming soon. They may not want to release a new Sisters of Battle 'dex before then, but throwing their existing rules into Codex: Allies of Space Marines (because we know that's what it's really meant to be for) may tempt people to 'wet their palette' a little and be more inclined to buy the full release later.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
What if...What if...ADEPTUS ARBITES? :O

This wouldn't really fit as they aren't agents, they are just a police force. You would call people working for the Secret Service, FBI, CIA, KGB etc Agents but not anyone from the local police force. Also there are no models for them so they wouldn't be in the book (unless we'd see a release for them in Dec).

Arbites are the Imperium's FBI though. Local police are whoever/whatever the government there raise locally as enforcers and their authority extends to that planet alone, whilst Arbites maintain the much smaller - better trained and equipped - federal' force who are there enforce Imperial law, such as making sure tithes are met, keeping an eye on planetary governors, etc.

If you play Arbites you need to wear the helmet and yell I AM THE LAW every time your arbites power made some heretic.

 Stormonu wrote:

You do realize you'll get to use this book for about 4-6 months before it is completely invalidated by the AOS'd 8th edition, right?

It all depends 8th might just
be a 6th -> 7th transition. In case he book is still useful.
Or it might be Wfb -> AoS. In case I will not switch systems and the book will still be useful.

Imperial Agents is actually pretty bad news for Sisters players are it explains why only a Canoness has been rumoured for release at the end of Dec. Perhaps we will see a full sisters codex in Jan with a proper release but I'm starting to lose hope :(