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2016/11/30 05:29:03
Subject: Name one character that could beat Lelith Hesperax in a 1 on 1 combat duel
If you want to really consider TT as basis for fluff, you need to go with the ones where they stated "these are the rules that match the fluff." Ie- Movie Marines. A Movie Marine sergeant can kill her- and remember Movie Marines are Space Marines according to the black library fluff. So most space marines from the black library books can off her.
IIRC the movie marine rules said the OPPOSITE. They said that in the Imperium there are going to be action movies that show marines as impossibly powerful and the movie marine rules were very much 'non realistic' even in the 40k sense of the word realistic.
Don't forget those rules allowed you to buy 'stunt doubles' to take wounds in place of the stars.
That said, I'm actually rather surprised marines don't have frag devices specifically for combating fast, horde like enemies. Strap them to the front of each pauldron or even the front of the shin and you'd have a fair advantage against half a dozen hormugaunts/stealers. Hell, a marine might even have fast enough reflexes to trigger such things in response to an incoming RPG type attack.
There was an old Image comics character named Claymore who did that. He was invulnerable so he'd charge into battle with claymore mines strapped to his chest.
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2016/11/30 07:01:25
Subject: Re:Name one character that could beat Lelith Hesperax in a 1 on 1 combat duel
EmpNortonII wrote: A more interesting thread would be, "Name the weakest character that could beat Lelith Hesperax in a 1 on 1 combat duel."
A conscript with a shotgun if he get really lucky. 99 times out of 100 Lelith would eviscerate the poor fether. But it's possible.
Reliably. For example, Sarpedon's several levels of power underneath Primarchs and Gaz and the like. His ind-fething powers would likely wreck her and he could kill her as she succumbs to fear.
Tiggy, Ahriman and really any well trained psyker. Lelith has no psychic defenses and would be an easy target for any well trained psyker. Sigmisund could probably do it too. He was an exceptional swordsman.
And yes, really, those are the weakest who could take her out reliably. I think the fanwanking of Lelith ITT is bad but I'll give credit where credit is due. Her whole schtick is being the best duelist in the galaxy.
Lord Perversor wrote: Lore wise, some of them had serious issues beating a custodes due how good they are.
Source? I keep on hearing this but never with an actual source or quote.
The only source I'm aware of would not be related to any old random custodes, but rather Valdor Constantine, who was said to be able to beat Horus occasionally in sparring sessions. It is discussed in the first few Horus Heresy Black Library books, if memory serves.
2016/12/01 22:05:26
Subject: Re:Name one character that could beat Lelith Hesperax in a 1 on 1 combat duel
There was one with... Loken, I think? Dunno but it was amongst the best swordsmen (though not Kharn/Corswain/sevatar) in the Crusade Era and it had a hell of time against a regular custodes, winning only because the Custodes had been overcomfident in a sparring session.
2016/12/03 05:43:17
Subject: Name one character that could beat Lelith Hesperax in a 1 on 1 combat duel
Most daemon princes, primarch or otherwise, could do it handily.
But there are honestly a LOT of characters out there that could compete, against whom the outcome is more or less uncertain. This would involve most space marine characters, the tyranid broodlord, or even a genestealer patriarch for that matter.... What else...The Masque? Any Herald of Slaanesh. The Changeling. In fact, I'd say just about any daemonic heralds except for Nurgle's, they're pretty slow.
Oh, the Imperial Assassins for sure...
2016/12/04 18:12:51
Subject: Name one character that could beat Lelith Hesperax in a 1 on 1 combat duel
Zarakynel would murder her in fluff and game. She would have no save what so ever against her attacks since the souleater ignores ++'s and a single hit would ID her. Welcome to Slaanesh's palace Lilith
As mentioned before this thread would be far more appropriately titled: name a special character who CANNOT defeat Lilith Hesperax. She's more of a showman, although she is competent enough in battle. I would go so far as to say there are those in the dark City who would handily defeat her let alone the rest of the galaxy
2016/12/04 20:58:17
Subject: Name one character that could beat Lelith Hesperax in a 1 on 1 combat duel
Why not nightbringer, literally one of his attacks is to travel back in time and kill her parents. He can also suck her soul out, bathe her in antimatter, call down asteroids, shatter the earth she walks on, and summon a blast of energy that could destroy an imperial knight, and that's just a fragment. A full blown C'Tan like void dragon would just will her out of existence. It's a mismatch of dr manhattan on ozymandias kind of scales:
Constantly being negative doesn't make you seem erudite, it just makes you look like a curmudgeon.
2016/12/05 03:09:17
Subject: Re:Name one character that could beat Lelith Hesperax in a 1 on 1 combat duel
Grimgold wrote: Why not nightbringer, literally one of his attacks is to travel back in time and kill her parents. He can also suck her soul out, bathe her in antimatter, call down asteroids, shatter the earth she walks on, and summon a blast of energy that could destroy an imperial knight, and that's just a fragment. A full blown C'Tan like void dragon would just will her out of existence. It's a mismatch of dr manhattan on ozymandias kind of scales:
But the thing to remember there, is that Ozymandias actually won.
The Laws of Thermodynamics:
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2016/12/05 03:16:28
Subject: Name one character that could beat Lelith Hesperax in a 1 on 1 combat duel
which is the other reason I used the clip,The C'tan could be outsmarted (which is how the silent lord beat them), but not beaten thru raw physical might such that lelith or ozy possessed. Before this scene you watched ozy kick the crap out of everyone who mattered, and the only person that landed a punch on him during the entire movie was the comedian, so I thought he made a good stand in for someone of Lelith's skills.
Constantly being negative doesn't make you seem erudite, it just makes you look like a curmudgeon.
2016/12/06 05:48:13
Subject: Name one character that could beat Lelith Hesperax in a 1 on 1 combat duel
Lelith has gone up against more hulking physiques than Primarchs and always triumphed.
Name them.
Hulking maybe...
But as fast, as combat designed and trained.
There thinking is faster, and so reactions.
There not just brutes like normal.
There brutes with brain to match it.
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2016/12/06 16:26:36
Subject: Name one character that could beat Lelith Hesperax in a 1 on 1 combat duel
Lelith has gone up against more hulking physiques than Primarchs and always triumphed.
If you mean "hulking" in the literal sense: large, heavy and clumsy then yes. Yes she probably has. If your use of the word hulking translates to power then you don't have a very good understanding of 40k lore I'm afraid
2016/12/06 16:30:17
Subject: Name one character that could beat Lelith Hesperax in a 1 on 1 combat duel
Those things have to be the size of islands or continents. Sure she'll be faster and more skilled at fighting.... with her Knife, that isn't going to do much to something of that scale. Meanwhile the Norn Queen will however just be moving around, and more than likely smush Lilith, all the while not being even remotely aware that it was in a duel.
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2016/12/07 22:59:51
Subject: Name one character that could beat Lelith Hesperax in a 1 on 1 combat duel
I think it is rare that they make planet fall, as they have very little need in doing so. All their wants and needs are supplied to them by the countless Tyranid organisims they produce.
Failing that unlikely scenario, a Dominatrix could see off Lilith quite easily.
The objective of the game is to win. The point of the game is to have fun. The two should never be confused.
2016/12/08 03:15:35
Subject: Name one character that could beat Lelith Hesperax in a 1 on 1 combat duel
Shucks, makes sense in a game and setting that tries to defy sense. Well then I nominate Creed because that cigar he's chomping on might be a cleverly hidden titan unleashing it's payload on Zeno scum.
2016/12/10 02:05:27
Subject: Name one character that could beat Lelith Hesperax in a 1 on 1 combat duel
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2016/12/10 13:03:09
Subject: Name one character that could beat Lelith Hesperax in a 1 on 1 combat duel
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