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 Pouncey wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Right? Or the Sisters of Silence.

Did they start selling them by themselves yet, or will I have to pay 20 dollars per model because you get 5 of them in a box set that costs 100 dollars?

I've found they go for around $25 usd on ebay. Before shipping of course.

 Melissia wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
Not sure yet what sisters will do...they might have to wait until January

1: Meltaspam probably.
2: Yeah no, we're not getting anything new in Jan.

2. Probably GW will go under before plastic Sisters... don't come out ever.


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 mmzero252 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Insectum7 wrote:
Right? Or the Sisters of Silence.

Did they start selling them by themselves yet, or will I have to pay 20 dollars per model because you get 5 of them in a box set that costs 100 dollars?

I've found they go for around $25 usd on ebay. Before shipping of course.

So I can get them cheaper by just buying the box sets and avoiding eBay?

 Pouncey wrote:
So I can get them cheaper by just buying the box sets and avoiding eBay?

I meant for 5 of them o.o

 Pouncey wrote:
2. Probably GW will go under before plastic Sisters... don't come out ever.

GW won't release plastic Sisters until GW hires/promotes someone who cares about Sisters and gives them the leeway needed to completely relaunch the army.

So yeah probably.

 mmzero252 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
So I can get them cheaper by just buying the box sets and avoiding eBay?

I meant for 5 of them o.o

Doesn't matter.

I had a look at the picture on GW's site. They don't look like Sisters of Battle. Not even interested if they were free.


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 Melissia wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
2. Probably GW will go under before plastic Sisters... don't come out ever.

GW won't release plastic Sisters until GW hires/promotes someone who cares about Sisters and gives them the leeway needed to completely relaunch the army.

So yeah probably.

On the plus side, I don't ever need to buy any new models for my army because I have enough already and that will never change.

 Pouncey wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
So I can get them cheaper by just buying the box sets and avoiding eBay?

I meant for 5 of them o.o

Doesn't matter.

I had a look at the picture on GW's site. They don't look like Sisters of Battle. Not even interested.

Of course they don't look like Sisters of Battle. They're Sisters of Silence. They're two entirely different things. But honestly the Silence models look really nice and have some rather powerful rules to back them up.

 Melissia wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
Not sure yet what sisters will do...they might have to wait until January

1: Meltaspam probably. It's pretty much how we deal with anything bigger than a tactical marine at this point. That, exorcists, or allied units.
2: Yeah no, we're not getting anything new in Jan. I expect, at MOST, a rehash of what we already have, and probably weaker than what we used to have still, just like our current list.

Super-rending? FotL-style double-tap attacks? Special flamer ammo. Storm bolters stock on everyone. Flamestorm cannons on Immolators?

It turns out when the thematic weapon design space is "the holy trinity of flamers, melta, and bolters" there's not a lot to do. Hopefully some sort of blessed bolter ammo will make an appearance, at least.

 mmzero252 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 mmzero252 wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
So I can get them cheaper by just buying the box sets and avoiding eBay?

I meant for 5 of them o.o

Doesn't matter.

I had a look at the picture on GW's site. They don't look like Sisters of Battle. Not even interested.

Of course they don't look like Sisters of Battle. They're Sisters of Silence. They're two entirely different things. But honestly the Silence models look really nice and have some rather powerful rules to back them up.

Yeah, but I want to play Sisters of Battle, not Sisters of Silence.

Dark Angels models look really nice and they have some powerful rules, but if I really like playing Space Wolves I wouldn't start playing Dark Angels just because they're also superhuman dudes in power armor with bolters.


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 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
Not sure yet what sisters will do...they might have to wait until January

1: Meltaspam probably. It's pretty much how we deal with anything bigger than a tactical marine at this point. That, exorcists, or allied units.
2: Yeah no, we're not getting anything new in Jan. I expect, at MOST, a rehash of what we already have, and probably weaker than what we used to have still, just like our current list.

Super-rending? FotL-style double-tap attacks? Special flamer ammo. Storm bolters stock on everyone. Flamestorm cannons on Immolators?

It turns out when the thematic weapon design space is "the holy trinity of flamers, melta, and bolters" there's not a lot to do. Hopefully some sort of blessed bolter ammo will make an appearance, at least.

We also have a rocket launcher and a variety of melee weapons, and grenades you know.

 Pouncey wrote:
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 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
Not sure yet what sisters will do...they might have to wait until January

1: Meltaspam probably. It's pretty much how we deal with anything bigger than a tactical marine at this point. That, exorcists, or allied units.
2: Yeah no, we're not getting anything new in Jan. I expect, at MOST, a rehash of what we already have, and probably weaker than what we used to have still, just like our current list.

Super-rending? FotL-style double-tap attacks? Special flamer ammo. Storm bolters stock on everyone. Flamestorm cannons on Immolators?

It turns out when the thematic weapon design space is "the holy trinity of flamers, melta, and bolters" there's not a lot to do. Hopefully some sort of blessed bolter ammo will make an appearance, at least.

We also have a rocket launcher and a variety of melee weapons, and grenades you know.

Indeed we do. Any time I try and write in more tanks, nicer planes, and more ways to use said melee weapons I get accused of trying to turn Sisters into Marines, which ends up making the whole problem doubly annoying since Sisters are in playstyle basically T3 Salamanders already (only better at being Salamanders than Salamanders since they can have heavy flamers in their Troops squads). It may have made me a little shy of trying to expand their portfolio (Space Marines do sort of do everything).

I do like the FotL idea, though (squad fires bolters twice while standing still, but can't shoot next turn if they do so). I'd come up with those in about fifteen seconds as a spattering of random suggestions but that one might actually work.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
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 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 JimOnMars wrote:
Not sure yet what sisters will do...they might have to wait until January

1: Meltaspam probably. It's pretty much how we deal with anything bigger than a tactical marine at this point. That, exorcists, or allied units.
2: Yeah no, we're not getting anything new in Jan. I expect, at MOST, a rehash of what we already have, and probably weaker than what we used to have still, just like our current list.

Super-rending? FotL-style double-tap attacks? Special flamer ammo. Storm bolters stock on everyone. Flamestorm cannons on Immolators?

It turns out when the thematic weapon design space is "the holy trinity of flamers, melta, and bolters" there's not a lot to do. Hopefully some sort of blessed bolter ammo will make an appearance, at least.

We also have a rocket launcher and a variety of melee weapons, and grenades you know.

Indeed we do. Any time I try and write in more tanks, nicer planes, and more ways to use said melee weapons I get accused of trying to turn Sisters into Marines, which ends up making the whole problem doubly annoying since Sisters are in playstyle basically T3 Salamanders already (only better at being Salamanders than Salamanders since they can have heavy flamers in their Troops squads). It may have made me a little shy of trying to expand their portfolio (Space Marines do sort of do everything).

I do like the FotL idea, though (squad fires bolters twice while standing still, but can't shoot next turn if they do so). I'd come up with those in about fifteen seconds as a spattering of random suggestions but that one might actually work.

Why can't the Holy Trinity thing work like Dark Angels plasma weapons fixation? Where Sisters love Bolters, Meltas and Flamers and use them wherever possible, but are practical enough to use other weapons when they'd clearly be more effective? That'd probably be what'd happen, and already does happen given the Exorcist and melee weapons. Just because they really love those three weapon types hasn't stopped them from using other stuff too.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
Super-rending? FotL-style double-tap attacks? Special flamer ammo. Storm bolters stock on everyone. Flamestorm cannons on Immolators?

It turns out when the thematic weapon design space is "the holy trinity of flamers, melta, and bolters" there's not a lot to do. Hopefully some sort of blessed bolter ammo will make an appearance, at least.

Oh no, I know there's possibilities.

I just have no faith in GW to deliver on them. They'll just give us a lame rehash of what we already ahve and no plastics.

Forgot the promise of progress and science . There is no hope. There is only stagnation amidst the laughter of thirsting gods.

Just wait for Traitor Legions to blow through before you Sisters players start counting your chickens.

If it's amazing and makes Chaos players happy then that bodes very well for Sisters.

If it's a steaming pile of Traitor's Hate gak then it may be time to start shoving chickens back into eggs.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Just wait for Traitor Legions to blow through before you Sisters players start counting your chickens.

If it's amazing and makes Chaos players happy then that bodes very well for Sisters.

If it's a steaming pile of Traitor's Hate gak then it may be time to start shoving chickens back into eggs.

Us chaos players really just need the options. You know how boring CAD Plague Marines is? Or doing Termicide?

I love how this thread just went from a stupid rant by everyone's favorite troll to a discussion about what to call french fries and potato chips, and now a discussion about the possible release of new Sisters stuff. Only on Dakka...

My response to the OP: No one's gonna boycott Magnus, he's just too cool of a model. I'm probably not getting him, but that's because I don't intend to start a Thousand Sons army. Honestly, your complaining about every unit that bothers you in 40k is just ridiculous, so why not put a (dread)sock in it? The crazy stuff is here to stay, at least in competitive play, so GET OVER IT!

My response to everyone else: I think there is something in the Dakka Guidelines about "don't feed the trolls" so why waste time with this guy? Oh wait, looks like I did it too. My bad.

I dunno, I might get Magnus just to run a Magnus +3 Daemon Princes list.

Seems like us ork players have one option here:

LOOTED MAGNUS.


Chaos get one good unit and everyone loses their minds lol. At least they have a model in lore thats intimidating, whereas the scariest ork in lore is ghazgkull the overcosted powerfist. Heck, I wish I had a new model that could reliably kill anything. Maybe I should just start allying tau and eldar with my orks. Monstrous Critter master race apparently is the only way to play.

Hopefully in 8th edition they'll remember orks exist and make them into a subfaction for space marines or something.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

(GW deciding to toss out all sense for the sake of making Magnus 2-2.5x as big as he ought to be is another reason the core team should pack up shop and put the FW writers in charge.)

IDK that he's bigger than he ought to be. Daemonhood can confer some pretty major size changes and since Magnus was both a primarch (one of the bigger ones, too) and the most rewarded of Tzeentch's underlings you can argue basically any size for him. Plus his own size-changing abilities and that he's now a creature of arbitrary physical dimensions anyway.

As far as game scale and playability goes he may well be much too big but as far as the background goes he's in the clear.

I wasn't going to buy him, but now I will because I want to spite Traditio

Id get magnus. If I could afford him...

Or, if it was in rational scale for a 1ksons army, in 650 points its simply not.

In order to get your +1 invul save from your core, you need to spend AT LEAST 3 units of scarabs at 250 each, 3 units of rubrics at 150 each and 3 sorcerers at 60 each.
That's 1380 points, before you get into ANY kind of upgrades (like mastery levels, guns, discs, squad members, etc.
Magnus on top of that is 650 points IIRC?
So you hit 1930 points. before even looking at auxiliary choices.

This is NOT a regular game.
Sure, you can CAD him, or take non-maxed formations-but then you get subpar 1ksons. they really need to max formations to be good.

And after you CAD him, you still need a daemon CAD, because you are going to need them horrors and heralds to pump up your warp pool. Magnus might be the best USER of warp dice in the game, but when it comes to generation, he's one of the worst.
5 dice at 650 points is 1 dice per 130 points. that's horrible.
Other units can get as good as 35 and less points per dice (cheapest i think is the new brimes, at 30. level 3 heralds compete with 31.66 and farseers has 33.33)

As as Magnus alone can and should be eating about 25-30 dice every turn to maximize his potential, that means you need to generate around 20 from your horrors. and said horrors do nothing BUT zone control and provide warp dice.
So you need to invest about as much as magnus himself in the battery. Magnus "actually" costs about 1300.

TLR
Magnus is not even GOOD on his own, let alone OP.
He gets strong when properly supported by psychic batteries, but paying for both him and a decent battery leaves you with little else.

You're forgetting that Magnus harnesses the warp on 2+ and ignores perils. He is getting a lot more mileage out of those 5 dice than any other unit.

I ordered Magnus at a 25% discount.

Rosebuddy wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

(GW deciding to toss out all sense for the sake of making Magnus 2-2.5x as big as he ought to be is another reason the core team should pack up shop and put the FW writers in charge.)

IDK that he's bigger than he ought to be. Daemonhood can confer some pretty major size changes and since Magnus was both a primarch (one of the bigger ones, too) and the most rewarded of Tzeentch's underlings you can argue basically any size for him. Plus his own size-changing abilities and that he's now a creature of arbitrary physical dimensions anyway.

As far as game scale and playability goes he may well be much too big but as far as the background goes he's in the clear.

You know what I'd do if I was a demon that could change my size at will?

Make myself large enough that my enemies' weapons were useless against me.

Like, so big that when they shove their whole power sword into me, it doesn't even pierce my armor because my armor is thicker than their sword is long.

Then I'd just step on them.

 Pouncey wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

(GW deciding to toss out all sense for the sake of making Magnus 2-2.5x as big as he ought to be is another reason the core team should pack up shop and put the FW writers in charge.)

IDK that he's bigger than he ought to be. Daemonhood can confer some pretty major size changes and since Magnus was both a primarch (one of the bigger ones, too) and the most rewarded of Tzeentch's underlings you can argue basically any size for him. Plus his own size-changing abilities and that he's now a creature of arbitrary physical dimensions anyway.

As far as game scale and playability goes he may well be much too big but as far as the background goes he's in the clear.

You know what I'd do if I was a demon that could change my size at will?

Make myself large enough that my enemies' weapons were useless against me.

Like, so big that when they shove their whole power sword into me, it doesn't even pierce my armor because my armor is thicker than their sword is long.

Then I'd just step on them.

Except that daemons are limited in the amount of power they can carry outside of the immaterium so they can't just go as big as they'd like.

Just take it for granted that Magnus is coming out of the warp as big as he can comfortably get/wants to be for a prolonged period of time.

DaPino wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

Rosebuddy wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

(GW deciding to toss out all sense for the sake of making Magnus 2-2.5x as big as he ought to be is another reason the core team should pack up shop and put the FW writers in charge.)

IDK that he's bigger than he ought to be. Daemonhood can confer some pretty major size changes and since Magnus was both a primarch (one of the bigger ones, too) and the most rewarded of Tzeentch's underlings you can argue basically any size for him. Plus his own size-changing abilities and that he's now a creature of arbitrary physical dimensions anyway.

As far as game scale and playability goes he may well be much too big but as far as the background goes he's in the clear.

You know what I'd do if I was a demon that could change my size at will?

Make myself large enough that my enemies' weapons were useless against me.

Like, so big that when they shove their whole power sword into me, it doesn't even pierce my armor because my armor is thicker than their sword is long.

Then I'd just step on them.

Except that daemons are limited in the amount of power they can carry outside of the immaterium so they can't just go as big as they'd like.

Just take it for granted that Magnus is coming out of the warp as big as he can comfortably get/wants to be for a prolonged period of time.

Oh.

Then I'd go the opposite route. And just be small, maybe say, ant-sized, so I can act as a spy without setting off any security systems.

Stronger the daemon is the larger it is usually. I think the size is somewhat related to their power level in general as they're energy based beings likely while in the materium.

 n0t_u wrote:
Stronger the daemon is the larger it is usually. I think the size is somewhat related to their power level in general as they're energy based beings likely while in the materium.

So I have a shapeshifting ability, but it only makes me 15 feet tall at most, so human-sized soldiers don't have a tough time killing me, and I can't go small enough to be unnoticed enough to act like a spy.

The Chaos Gods hate me, don't they? They just wanted to see my reaction when I realized that I have a useless superpower.

 Pouncey wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Stronger the daemon is the larger it is usually. I think the size is somewhat related to their power level in general as they're energy based beings likely while in the materium.

So I have a shapeshifting ability, but it only makes me 15 feet tall at most, so human-sized soldiers don't have a tough time killing me, and I can't go small enough to be unnoticed enough to act like a spy.

The Chaos Gods hate me, don't they? They just wanted to see my reaction when I realized that I have a useless superpower.

The changeling is cool though, almost got rid of the space wolves for us.

 n0t_u wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Stronger the daemon is the larger it is usually. I think the size is somewhat related to their power level in general as they're energy based beings likely while in the materium.

So I have a shapeshifting ability, but it only makes me 15 feet tall at most, so human-sized soldiers don't have a tough time killing me, and I can't go small enough to be unnoticed enough to act like a spy.

The Chaos Gods hate me, don't they? They just wanted to see my reaction when I realized that I have a useless superpower.

The changeling is cool though, almost got rid of the space wolves for us.

Not through his shapeshifting powers though.

 Pouncey wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Stronger the daemon is the larger it is usually. I think the size is somewhat related to their power level in general as they're energy based beings likely while in the materium.

So I have a shapeshifting ability, but it only makes me 15 feet tall at most, so human-sized soldiers don't have a tough time killing me, and I can't go small enough to be unnoticed enough to act like a spy.

The Chaos Gods hate me, don't they? They just wanted to see my reaction when I realized that I have a useless superpower.

The changeling is cool though, almost got rid of the space wolves for us.

Not through his shapeshifting powers though.

Through his magical shapeshifting powers to appear as Sammael and convince Azrael of the wolves.

 n0t_u wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Stronger the daemon is the larger it is usually. I think the size is somewhat related to their power level in general as they're energy based beings likely while in the materium.

So I have a shapeshifting ability, but it only makes me 15 feet tall at most, so human-sized soldiers don't have a tough time killing me, and I can't go small enough to be unnoticed enough to act like a spy.

The Chaos Gods hate me, don't they? They just wanted to see my reaction when I realized that I have a useless superpower.

The changeling is cool though, almost got rid of the space wolves for us.

Not through his shapeshifting powers though.

Through his magical shapeshifting powers to appear as Sammael and convince Azrael of the wolves.

This conversation is about the Primarch changing size.

Can this Primarch guy also look like whoever he wants to in addition to becoming bigger or smaller?