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Martel732 wrote:
I could do a better job with a vastly inferior list.

Have you ever actually won a game against Tau with a bunch of Riptides?

If you could do a better job with an inferior list, why complain so much?

Dude did win a tournament with BA Dreads, after all. That's kind of cool!

I'm talking a better job vs the BA list. Dreads are mortal. They can die. Rather easily in 7th, might I add. I almost never lose to other BA. I can't wrap my head around the Tau losing that match. Worst Tau ever to lose to BA. Should never happen.

Yeah, lots of tau in our game club too. But zero Stormsurges, to be honest. We just ban all superheavy outside the intercity tournaments. Riptides are never was a big deal, even to our two DE players. They just spam them to death with 5-2 destructors.

Martel732 wrote:
I can't wrap my head around the Tau losing that match.

Why not?

Tau want to abuse range. If you trap them between your forces and the board edge, the next step is pretty straightforward.

It's not a complicated strategy. The crux is weathering that much firepower. Obviously that's no mean feat, so the Lucius Pods must have made his list a lot more sturdy.

Because Tau suits outrun dreadnoughts. Maybe the infantry couldn't get away. I guess he lost in deployment and no one I play against makes that mistake with pods. It's like people lining up in the open and wondering why they lose to Skyhammer.

I've never seen a Wulfen Spam list but any CC army would struggle against Dreads that stay inside their Pods.
Lucius Pods are big and powerful Close Combat squads tend to have small model counts so they can't just surround the pods and prevent escape when they wreck the Pod. A Deathstar could do it, one pod at a time.

Martel732 wrote:
Because Tau suits outrun dreadnoughts. Maybe the infantry couldn't get away. I guess he lost in deployment and no one I play against makes that mistake with pods. It's like people lining up in the open and wondering why they lose to Skyhammer.

It's hard to out run dreads when your at the table edge

Yoyoyo wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I can't wrap my head around the Tau losing that match.

Why not?

Tau want to abuse range. If you trap them between your forces and the board edge, the next step is pretty straightforward.

It's not a complicated strategy. The crux is weathering that much firepower. Obviously that's no mean feat, so the Lucius Pods must have made his list a lot more sturdy.

You are correct. The Lucius Pattern Pod is what makes it. Ive never even lost my pod before. In our last game at 1850, the Tau player threw everything he had at the pod and dread in the first two turns, allowing for my army to get into position. I never did kill the riptide, just chased it around throwing out some shots. But I've never once lost that Leviathan dread. In another game, he single handedly took out that armor 15 fortification that has the big D weapon, and a baneblade all by himself. That pod gave most of my army shroud due to blocking LOS against that fortification the first turn and my Lev got lucky with the melta lance and took it out in the first round of firing. Brey'arth came in with double dreadtalon flamers and cleared out all the IG inside, and the Lev Dread just turned it's attention towards the baneblade. I'll always swear by that 380 point combo of Lev and Pod.


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Martel732 wrote:
Because Tau suits outrun dreadnoughts. Maybe the infantry couldn't get away. I guess he lost in deployment and no one I play against makes that mistake with pods. It's like people lining up in the open and wondering why they lose to Skyhammer.

You can't outrun them when they go towards one corner, you drop the pod about 6" or so in front of them. They can't jetpack far enough to get out of danger. Remember, in a Lucius pod, the dread can stay in, but gets to fire out due to it being an open topped vehicle, and it has assault ramps. Of course they can do other things like put drones or such in front to buffer the suits, but that only lasts so long. Your second turn gets your Vulkan with squad and Librarian with the book artifact to drop right on top and light it up. It's just too much pressure. Add in a squad or two of Legion of the Damned with Combi-melta, Melta, and Heavy Melta being able to deep strike in pretty much where you want and fire all weapons at full BS, ignoring cover, and Tau dont' really stand much of a chance.

 nintura wrote:

Yoyoyo wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I can't wrap my head around the Tau losing that match.

Why not?

Tau want to abuse range. If you trap them between your forces and the board edge, the next step is pretty straightforward.

It's not a complicated strategy. The crux is weathering that much firepower. Obviously that's no mean feat, so the Lucius Pods must have made his list a lot more sturdy.

You are correct. The Lucius Pattern Pod is what makes it. Ive never even lost my pod before. In our last game at 1850, the Tau player threw everything he had at the pod and dread in the first two turns, allowing for my army to get into position. I never did kill the riptide, just chased it around throwing out some shots. But I've never once lost that Leviathan dread. In another game, he single handedly took out that armor 15 fortification that has the big D weapon, and a baneblade all by himself. That pod gave most of my army shroud due to blocking LOS against that fortification the first turn and my Lev got lucky with the melta lance and took it out in the first round of firing. Brey'arth came in with double dreadtalon flamers and cleared out all the IG inside, and the Lev Dread just turned it's attention towards the baneblade. I'll always swear by that 380 point combo of Lev and Pod.


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Martel732 wrote:
Because Tau suits outrun dreadnoughts. Maybe the infantry couldn't get away. I guess he lost in deployment and no one I play against makes that mistake with pods. It's like people lining up in the open and wondering why they lose to Skyhammer.

You can't outrun them when they go towards one corner, you drop the pod about 6" or so in front of them. They can't jetpack far enough to get out of danger. Remember, in a Lucius pod, the dread can stay in, but gets to fire out due to it being an open topped vehicle, and it has assault ramps. Of course they can do other things like put drones or such in front to buffer the suits, but that only lasts so long. Your second turn gets your Vulkan with squad and Librarian with the book artifact to drop right on top and light it up. It's just too much pressure. Add in a squad or two of Legion of the Damned with Combi-melta, Melta, and Heavy Melta being able to deep strike in pretty much where you want and fire all weapons at full BS, ignoring cover, and Tau dont' really stand much of a chance.

Glad somebody understands it properly. Beyond the Lucius Pods that I use as well and Librarian Dreads that I'm super jealous of I don't know Blood Angels.