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I don't understand all the negativity going on in this thread.

We just got previewed some gorgeous models. St. Celestine and the Gemini are beautiful minatures. Those are easily the best female faces GW has ever done. The proportions are excellent, and detailing modest and appropriate. I love the "thorn" garter an rose motif. I'll just assume that the Gemini replace her cherubs. I'm gonna miss those undead winged babies, they were one of my favorite Grim/dark things. I'm not sure is it necessary but you should be able to either reinforce them with clear acrylic rods or magnetize them. Then we have a glorious Arch Magos model and a fluff accurate Ordo Heriticus Inquisitor. These are all good things.

I'm not worried about the Fall of Cadia, things are at long last starting to matter and 40K again instead of perpetual stalemate. Sisters and Black Templars on a cursade to save Cadia led by the last Living Saint that is epic! Bring it on I say. The war in the webway, the 2nd battle of Terra. I am ready.

Well risking off topic warning I will comment only once more (sorry mods).
Well I was thinking also about this since zeal, till last man standing policy etc. So maybe situation is so dire that was only possible solution. Maybe someone summoned them, someone important enough for Space Marines to retreat to gathering point or something along these lines.
Wasnt there speculation that Dark Eldar have one of the Primarchs in their pits as a prisoner.

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 Rayvon wrote:

WFB was doing poorly and 40k is doing better than fine with the recent new releases, it would be silly to ruin the cash cow, some of the fluff will advance but I doubt they will change things about as dramatically as they did with fantasy.

This. Y'all clam down.

I'm still hoping for a complete, or even partial, rules reboot. I love the models but the rules are a monstrosity and at this point no fun to play (for me).
Background can stay the same or advance by a few years.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
Belegar.

 Arbitrator wrote:
Glotkin

SeanDrake wrote:
Wood Elf characters

Y'all got any 40K examples? Any examples that didn't come before a massive end to basically an entire product line and the start of a completely new product line?

Think the closest we can get is Captain Tycho and Eldrad. You know, before they retconned Eldrad.

Lord Solar Marcharus was dead even before his model came out.

The first Sister Saint from 2nd edition was dead as well but never got a model I can recall.

Some of the IG special charcters (Captain Arabia, maybe others) were dead in the current timeline as well.

Really not an issue since it can be a 'historical' game or the model can represent any of the billions of other folks just as good as the named characters.

I wonder if they will drag this out for as long as the Horus heresy?

 jreilly89 wrote:
I can't tell if I'm excited or aggravated by this. On the one hand, plastc Sisters is cool, the models look good, and the SoB fans will finally shut up because they're not being squatted. On the other hand, there will probably still be something in the release for people to complain about.

We don't know that.

We know she's leading the Black Templars. That's it. As many have speculated it could mean, this is all Sisters get. We don't know what faction she has now. It could possibly be Black Templars only for all we know.

The old metals are not being discontinued yet. So it looks probably that this saint kit is it for now??


S.Y.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
How about this, Celestine is killed in the Fall of Cadia and is reborn by the Emperor with a even bigger kit ala Celestant Prime size for the final defense on Terra.

Now that's a far fetched idea. She got her first new kit in a decade. She ain't getting an upgrade within a year.

Look, I'm as happy about the superb new Sisters models as any of you poor SoB victims, but if anyone thinks 40k End Times will be about anything but Primarchs, they really haven't been paying attention.

Probably wouldn't happen but I would also not discount the idea as impossible. I mean 2 models for Arhiman were released within a very short-time window. (granted they were for 30k and 40k respectively).

 Sersi wrote:
I don't understand all the negativity going on in this thread.

We just got previewed some gorgeous models. St. Celestine and the Gemini are beautiful minatures. Those are easily the best female faces GW has ever done. The proportions are excellent, and detailing modest and appropriate. I love the "thorn" garter an rose motif. I'll just assume that the Gemini replace her cherubs. I'm gonna miss those undead winged babies, they were one of my favorite Grim/dark things. I'm not sure is it necessary but you should be able to either reinforce them with clear acrylic rods or magnetize them. Then we have a glorious Arch Magos model and a fluff accurate Ordo Heriticus Inquisitor. These are all good things.

I'm not worried about the Fall of Cadia, things are at long last starting to matter and 40K again instead of perpetual stalemate. Sisters and Black Templars on a cursade to save Cadia led by the last Living Saint that is epic! Bring it on I say. The war in the webway, the 2nd battle of Terra. I am ready.

Advancement of any timeline in any game has to be done carefully lest it be the catastrophe that was White Wolf's awful Time of Judgment. Or the rather stalemate in Warmachine / Hordes or the ehh of how L5R handles it. ( One of the bad guys has his own approved clan now )

Oh and let's not forget the terribad End Times of Warhammer

I really hope that it never reaches Terra, or leave the Cadian sector as honestly I'm very hesitant to have HH 2.0 this time it's for reals honest gov (P.S. no daddy issues) . Because I don't think it would work.

I don't trust the same writers who made End Times to deliver, sorry.

S.Y.

 StupidYellow wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
I can't tell if I'm excited or aggravated by this. On the one hand, plastc Sisters is cool, the models look good, and the SoB fans will finally shut up because they're not being squatted. On the other hand, there will probably still be something in the release for people to complain about.

We don't know that.

We know she's leading the Black Templars. That's it. As many have speculated it could mean, this is all Sisters get. We don't know what faction she has now. It could possibly be Black Templars only for all we know.

The old metals are not being discontinued yet. So it looks probably that this saint kit is it for now??


S.Y.

The metals may not be discontinued even if the sisters get a full plastic relaunch. You can still get plenty of metal IG units if you want them. I'm less confident than I was in full plastic sisters, but I still feel like they are coming. With Tzeentch covering most of January, I would actually expect sisters in February now. We should have a better idea later this week/early next week as people start getting early copies of White Dwarf.

If Cadia were to fall, I guess that would mean a new Imperial Guard codex at the very least, with a new regiment to take the spotlight.

 EnTyme wrote:

 StupidYellow wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
I can't tell if I'm excited or aggravated by this. On the one hand, plastc Sisters is cool, the models look good, and the SoB fans will finally shut up because they're not being squatted. On the other hand, there will probably still be something in the release for people to complain about.

We don't know that.

We know she's leading the Black Templars. That's it. As many have speculated it could mean, this is all Sisters get. We don't know what faction she has now. It could possibly be Black Templars only for all we know.

The old metals are not being discontinued yet. So it looks probably that this saint kit is it for now??


S.Y.

The metals may not be discontinued even if the sisters get a full plastic relaunch. You can still get plenty of metal IG units if you want them. I'm less confident than I was in full plastic sisters, but I still feel like they are coming. With Tzeentch covering most of January, I would actually expect sisters in February now. We should have a better idea later this week/early next week as people start getting early copies of White Dwarf.

That's actually a good point. Huh. Thanks .



S.Y.


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 BrookM wrote:
If Cadia were to fall, I guess that would mean a new Imperial Guard codex at the very least, with a new regiment to take the spotlight.

Necromundian Spiders?

Yus!


S.Y.

I don't know if this has already been suggested, but could the cloak with gems and thorn pattern leaked by the WHC belong to the dark eldar figure in the artwork with all the black templars? At first I thought that the cloak couldn't belong to a dark eldar since the colour scheme was to bright, but with that guy's red armour and blue fur, well, it might just be possible. In that case, I'm aboard the HYPE TRAIN!

Also, could somebody tell me where in this thread is the "war in the webway" first mentioned and in what context?

 Dreamchild wrote:
I don't know if this has already been suggested, but could the cloak with gems and thorn pattern leaked by the WHC belong to the dark eldar figure in the artwork with all the black templars? At first I thought that the cloak couldn't belong to a dark eldar since the colour scheme was to bright, but with that guy's red armour and blue fur, well, it might just be possible. In that case, I'm aboard the HYPE TRAIN!

Also, could somebody tell me where in this thread is the "war in the webway" first mentioned and in what context?

I'm guessing because Magnus is back and he kinda caused the first one?
Plus the whole Death watch box game against the Eldar. That was in the Webway right?

S.Y.

There's also a story in the Mechanicus codex regarding a Magos who went to work with the Dark Eldar.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
I like the sisters, barring high-heels (really? I'm sure loads of female soldiers wear high heels to battle...no, they don't.) but the Magos is just a bit too busy which I guess is true for the whole Mechanicum line (weee cogs, spikes, and extra mechanical arms for everybody!).

What high heels do you see exactly? The only heels there are, are on the inquisitor (and inquisitors are hardly known for their fashion sense) and off canoness Viridian (which was based off the art). Neither Celestine or her bodyguard are wearing them.

TBF, you're right; I guess the heels on the Inquisitor just made me see heels on Celestine and the Gemini that simply weren't there; thanks for the correction. I'm less bothered by the "boob plate" than I thought I would be; it's nicely understated compared to where they could have gone with it (glad they didn't).

I stand behind my Magos comment; the more I look at the model, the more it hurts my eyes; it's like they covered it in glue and tossed it into a bits box. Otherwise brilliant model that suffers from detail for detail's sake.

All personal opinion.

 agnosto wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
I like the sisters, barring high-heels (really? I'm sure loads of female soldiers wear high heels to battle...no, they don't.) but the Magos is just a bit too busy which I guess is true for the whole Mechanicum line (weee cogs, spikes, and extra mechanical arms for everybody!).

What high heels do you see exactly? The only heels there are, are on the inquisitor (and inquisitors are hardly known for their fashion sense) and off canoness Viridian (which was based off the art). Neither Celestine or her bodyguard are wearing them.

TBF, you're right; I guess the heels on the Inquisitor just made me see heels on Celestine and the Gemini that simply weren't there; thanks for the correction. I'm less bothered by the "boob plate" than I thought I would be; it's nicely understated compared to where they could have gone with it (glad they didn't).

I stand behind my Magos comment; the more I look at the model, the more it hurts my eyes; it's like they covered it in glue and tossed it into a bits box. Otherwise brilliant model that suffers from detail for detail's sake.

All personal opinion.

But its supposed to hurt your eyes. He IS an abomination.

Armored heels make a lot more sense on an Inquisitor than a battle sister of any rank, really. I know Vandire commissioned the sororitas armour because he was going full-on magical realm, but I feel like the mechanicus would veto that particular ask because they're the exact sort to have the same issues over it as we are.

 jreilly89 wrote:
On the other hand, there will probably still be something in the release for people to complain about.

If GW limits the plastic sisters to this trio of characters and leaves their infantry as $100+ per box of aging metal I think I know what I'll be complaining about...

But frankly I think the whole 'legitimate grievance' angle makes sisters whiners inherently less irritating than say, people who crow about how games workshop will definitely declare bankruptcy this month, or the people who've been bemoaning the inevitability of 40k end times for a good two years now.

 BrookM wrote:
If Cadia were to fall, I guess that would mean a new Imperial Guard codex at the very least, with a new regiment to take the spotlight.

Did you ever read "The 13th Black Crusade" source book that BL published?

Cadia falling doesn't mean that Cadians are dead.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
If Cadia were to fall, I guess that would mean a new Imperial Guard codex at the very least, with a new regiment to take the spotlight.

Did you ever read "The 13th Black Crusade" source book that BL published?

Cadia falling doesn't mean that Cadians are dead.

Still, could be a nice excuse to update the guard plastics into something a bit more pleasing to the eye.

 StupidYellow wrote:

 Dreamchild wrote:
I don't know if this has already been suggested, but could the cloak with gems and thorn pattern leaked by the WHC belong to the dark eldar figure in the artwork with all the black templars? At first I thought that the cloak couldn't belong to a dark eldar since the colour scheme was to bright, but with that guy's red armour and blue fur, well, it might just be possible. In that case, I'm aboard the HYPE TRAIN!

Also, could somebody tell me where in this thread is the "war in the webway" first mentioned and in what context?

I'm guessing because Magnus is back and he kinda caused the first one?
Plus the whole Death watch box game against the Eldar. That was in the Webway right?

S.Y.

Got a point there definitively, although I believe DM was on some planet's moon somewhere. I didn't know if there were any trusted rumors on something happening in the webway but I couldn't find anything bar the picture in question.

 Rayvon wrote:

WFB was doing poorly and 40k is doing better than fine with the recent new releases, it would be silly to ruin the cash cow, some of the fluff will advance but I doubt they will change things about as dramatically as they did with fantasy.

Fb was top 3 seller when gw decided to kill it. Problem wasn't it didn't sell. Problem was it didn't sell as well as marines.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
If Cadia were to fall, I guess that would mean a new Imperial Guard codex at the very least, with a new regiment to take the spotlight.

Did you ever read "The 13th Black Crusade" source book that BL published?

Cadia falling doesn't mean that Cadians are dead.

Still, could be a nice excuse to update the guard plastics into something a bit more pleasing to the eye.

Maybe. Maybe not.

I think it more likely that, whatever happens in the next edition/Guard book, we'll see "Units" from Specialized Regiments.

 StupidYellow wrote:

 Sersi wrote:
I don't understand all the negativity going on in this thread.

We just got previewed some gorgeous models. St. Celestine and the Gemini are beautiful minatures. Those are easily the best female faces GW has ever done. The proportions are excellent, and detailing modest and appropriate. I love the "thorn" garter an rose motif. I'll just assume that the Gemini replace her cherubs. I'm gonna miss those undead winged babies, they were one of my favorite Grim/dark things. I'm not sure is it necessary but you should be able to either reinforce them with clear acrylic rods or magnetize them. Then we have a glorious Arch Magos model and a fluff accurate Ordo Heriticus Inquisitor. These are all good things.

I'm not worried about the Fall of Cadia, things are at long last starting to matter and 40K again instead of perpetual stalemate. Sisters and Black Templars on a cursade to save Cadia led by the last Living Saint that is epic! Bring it on I say. The war in the webway, the 2nd battle of Terra. I am ready.

Advancement of any timeline in any game has to be done carefully lest it be the catastrophe that was White Wolf's awful Time of Judgment. Or the rather stalemate in Warmachine / Hordes or the ehh of how L5R handles it. ( One of the bad guys has his own approved clan now )

Oh and let's not forget the terribad End Times of Warhammer

I really hope that it never reaches Terra, or leave the Cadian sector as honestly I'm very hesitant to have HH 2.0 this time it's for reals honest gov (P.S. no daddy issues) . Because I don't think it would work.

I don't trust the same writers who made End Times to deliver, sorry.

S.Y.

I get where your coming from. But....I and many others enjoyed End times, and Age of Sigmar...crazy I know. I bought the books and many of the models and didn't feel cheated by it. I also enjoyed the old world, but I don't miss it though. But really we need to stop comparing the too. Fantasy was dying. 40K is very much alive as is 30K. We might not like some of the new background but GW is not going to nuke the Universe.

I'm all for Cadia falling. Its but one of the millions of Imperium's worlds, and it makes narrative sense given how they developed the story. Having daemonic incursions erupt all over the segmentum leaves the Imperium in a tough place. Either bleed off the defensive fleets and units around Cadia to shore up defenses elsewhere or sacrifice billions to chaos....only making it stronger.

I don't even have a problem with a second battle of Terra as long as the development is logical and makes sense. The war between the Imperium and Chaos has been cold for a long time. It'll be a pleasant change to have it turn hot for awhile. I doesn't have to end in victory or defeat to either side, we might only see a re-drawing of some borders.

tneva82 wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:

WFB was doing poorly and 40k is doing better than fine with the recent new releases, it would be silly to ruin the cash cow, some of the fluff will advance but I doubt they will change things about as dramatically as they did with fantasy.

Fb was top 3 seller when gw decided to kill it. Problem wasn't it didn't sell. Problem was it didn't sell as well as marines.

Of course it was a top 3 seller, they only had 3 main lines at the time (40K, Hobbit, FB).

The.... the KHAAAAAANNNNNN???

Now that would be an impressive kit. They haven't done a special Bike character since Sammael. Plus they could shortcome the limitations of a Pure primarch by giving him a crazy Bike.

I can totally see Kahn coming back as the first Loyalist Primarch.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
How about this, Celestine is killed in the Fall of Cadia and is reborn by the Emperor with a even bigger kit ala Celestant Prime size for the final defense on Terra.

Now that's a far fetched idea. She got her first new kit in a decade. She ain't getting an upgrade within a year.

Look, I'm as happy about the superb new Sisters models as any of you poor SoB victims, but if anyone thinks 40k End Times will be about anything but Primarchs, they really haven't been paying attention.

Valten says hi. Remember him? 3 versions of him in the timeframe of about a year IIRC.

 Imateria wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:

WFB was doing poorly and 40k is doing better than fine with the recent new releases, it would be silly to ruin the cash cow, some of the fluff will advance but I doubt they will change things about as dramatically as they did with fantasy.

Fb was top 3 seller when gw decided to kill it. Problem wasn't it didn't sell. Problem was it didn't sell as well as marines.

Of course it was a top 3 seller, they only had 3 main lines at the time (40K, Hobbit, FB).

Indeed. WFB was their lowest earner for a very long time

Come on GW we don't need more Tzeentch Birdmen.
New Lord of Change is welcome though.

Give us some basic plastic Sisters.

 Sersi wrote:
I don't understand all the negativity going on in this thread.

But it says you've been on Dakka for 8 years

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
The.... the KHAAAAAANNNNNN???

Now that would be an impressive kit. They haven't done a special Bike character since Sammael. Plus they could shortcome the limitations of a Pure primarch by giving him a crazy Bike.

I can totally see Kahn coming back as the first Loyalist Primarch.

Some friends and I have a little 'pool' going as to which Loyalist Primarch will be the first to return.

My own personal guesses?
A) Vulkan. We know, from the "Beast Arises" series of novels, that he intends to return to the Imperium based upon some kind of vision/need. He mentions during those novels that "My return is not intended for this war, but I cannot ignore my father's Imperium in its moment of need."
B) Corax. I kind of feel like the death of the Raven Guard Chapter Master and Shrike's elevation to Chapter Master might be setting up a "The father returns" kind of deal.
C) The Lion. They made a big deal about him "stirring" within the Fenris stuff.