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2016/12/22 20:39:48
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Anyone with the slightest knowledge or sense of human proportions knows that ALL miniatures -- GW or otherwise -- are intentionally grossly distorted. If they were properly proportioned, they'd look very spindly and lack the surface area to show detail.
MadCowCrazy wrote: I think the idea is that GW has made every single female they've ever produced with the hourglass figure, now the sisters come out and they look fat.
There are not enough palms to apply to faces for this post.
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2016/12/22 20:42:01
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
plastictrees wrote:Really not sure what the comic is going for.
jreilly89 wrote:It's even when people get new Sisters' models, they find something to complain about.
Likely stems from the 4chan topic. The nay-sayers are attempting to save face by arguing that the models they said would never come look fat. And have been carrying on about it with impeccable maturity and sophistication.
The question remains, why the hell did someone bother to post that garbage here?
Because they are likely the same people "discussing" it over there and want to spread it to here.
I think the idea is that GW has made every single female they've ever produced with the hourglass figure, now the sisters come out and they look fat.
Sorry your tabletop miniatures aren't attractive enough for you to jerk off to. They're soldiers, not pinup models.
Seriously, you guys have to invent stuff to complain about. This forum is supposed to be about our hobby and not a space for you to broadcast how miserable your life is.
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2016/12/22 20:48:52
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Again with sexist, fat-shaming nonsense on a mandollies thread. I utterly despair about some of those who make up our hobby. May they all dwell at some other FLGS to me. Forever and ever. Amen.
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2016/12/22 20:50:09
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
DalinCriid wrote: Plastic Sisters? I see only Saint and 2 additional models. This does not fit into my view of "plastic sisters". It is a bit awkward to have this and the rest old metal models for the abysmal price of 50 pounds.
The I would SoB so Hard if there were plastic SoB crowd do seem to be fully capable of jumping from what they see (saint and two gemini, our resin canoness, print rules in C:IA) to what they THINK GW should do. Apparently a full plastic launch of the old units and a new dex with some new shiny's in it.
If they keep telling themselves it will happen surely it has to, right?
Dex is on paper finally, you can now purchase all the units in the army at the GW site. The unit C:IA omitted is coming in plastic in the FoCadia book. Perhaps they will put some other SoB formations in it. GW already fixed Celestians by putting the command squad in the elite slot for me anyways. Only repentia and penengines to go. So far we are in the + column and I am fine with it.
Give me some Objective Cards and GW can go back to ignoring SoB for a few more editions, would be fine by me.
I think that we will be getting exactly that. We will likely see the sisters composite detachment and hopefully some smaller detachments too. We will probably see something for the Black Templars too, since there has been almost no reason to run their special troop squad. Beyond that, all of the sisters vehicles are available again (not updated, unless the 'resin' bits of the Immolator is not a typo of some sort). Every UNIT is available. I'd like to see the Repressor come back through Forgeworld... maybe in a more musical-styled version. Anyone notice the jetbacks on the gemni are the shape of rectangular bells or pipes? Continue with a music motif, and I'll be very happy, GW.
There is strength in the codex, that is for sure. They didn't drop the 5-man squads down to only 1 special or heavy weapon, like I feared. Sisters do make for surprisingly resilient objective secured troops, as well as that wonderful melta, Dom unit scouting up and wrecking havoc in the first few game turns.
jreilly89 wrote:
plastictrees wrote: Really not sure what the comic is going for.
They're soldiers in armor. The proportions look fantastic to me.
A quick dip into Instagram will show you lots of very fit women with serious curves (enhanced and otherwise).
Is the comic author mad they aren't waifs?
It's even when people get new Sisters' models, they find something to complain about.
Yes. Fit doesn't have to be Ethiopian Marathon runner or pole vaulter skinny. My guess is that boxing would be a good inspiration for Sisters... Someone like Kaila Ali or Gina Carano would easily fit the bill. (Neither of which, I would ever like to take a punch from...)
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2016/12/22 20:55:55
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Wow.... just wow.... I point out a new art direction of GW and the only thing you guys see is fatshaming or other sjw memes. Some of you almost made the logical jump before failing horribly. Did you even study the pictures at all before your were instantly TRIGGERED?
Here is a picture of what Celestines body could/would look like without armor
NSFW NSFW NSFW NSFW NSFW NSFW NSFW NSFW NSFW
Spoiler:
Question: Does the new armor design make the sisters look fat compared to ALL PREVIOUS FEMALE MODELS PRODUCED BY GW?
Question: Is the new armor design more realistic compared to previous designs?
If your answer is no to either then feel free to explain your reasoning by giving clear comparisons to previous models made by GW.
And don't give me that gak about boob plate or corset armor makes no sense, it's made out of super space alloy where 1mm is equal to 100meter thick steel ffs.
MadCowCrazy wrote: I think the idea is that GW has made every single female they've ever produced with the hourglass figure, now the sisters come out and they look fat.
There are not enough palms to apply to faces for this post.
Allow me to attempt:
Spoiler:
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2016/12/22 21:12:46
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
MadCowCrazy wrote: And don't give me that gak about boob plate or corset armor makes no sense, it's made out of super space alloy where 1mm is equal to 100meter thick steel ffs.
You said don't say but still. Super space alloy or not it's still bad idea as long as they don't sport 1++ on game(with no 1 always fail rule). As long as it can be penetrated(which it obviously can since SOB aren't immune to all shooting) bad design is still a bad design.
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2016/12/22 21:17:12
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
But how does the corset armor look from the side, I think that's an indicator of whether or not they are actually barrel chested. I thought I saw images but I remember them looking more slim from the side. The armor is certainly more bulky, but the old metal models were more stylized and cartoonish.
Compared to this, they do look thicker. I however do not understand those little pieces of armor sticking out around the waist though. It does look weird. Because those tiny little things wouldn't offer much protection to begin with.
In all honesty the models don't quite live up to the above artwork. They have a lot less detail. Notice the trim on the shoulder pad? without that armor trim you can't do two tone color schemes on the armor without it looking weird. Lacks purity seals, embellishments. If they do more SoB I hope they spend more time to give them more ornate gothic detail. Without the gothic details I can see why some might shout stormcast. Because stormcasts have the same kind of plain gold armor as the new celestine.
Celestine's face look well sculpted, the other two suffer from the chimp look however. I don't think GW has gotten much better at sculpting faces in CAD at all, this is more along the same stuff they have been doing. It could be the paint job, that's a definite possibility...i'll hold off on criticizing the faces too much until I see these models unpainted.
GW did the same weird paintjob thing with the sisters of silence, look at that picture above and notice how the cheeks and ears look separate from the face. It's weird...
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2016/12/22 21:38:21
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
This discussion sure seems not related to leaks or rumors. You may want to consider arguing over what piece of plastic arbitrarily looks more fat than another on another board or thread.
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Celestine is the first GW model I'm seriously considering in a long long time. Depends on price and what I'd actually do with it as I don't have any army for it.
2016/12/22 21:58:27
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
YeOldSaltPotato wrote:Complain at me the end of January if I'm wrong. Reasonably confident in the source and no it's not the usual suspects of wild speculation.
It's not January, it's Tzzjanguary.
casvalremdeikun wrote:[Pardon us if we don't trust the guy with two posts.
I hate comments like these. What makes you any better?
I don't see Casval making wild predictions. If someobody is going to come on and make predcitons with no track record then we are all going to be highly sceptical and rightly so, there are too many fools like BoLS and Faet spreading rubbish in this hobby as it is.
But if you want to believe everybody that comes along and says things thats fine, I've got a long weight I can sell you.
casvalremdeikun wrote:[Pardon us if we don't trust the guy with two posts.
I hate comments like these. What makes you any better?
Many posts and a long membership history on the site.
It's doesn't make his information better, it significantly reduces the chances he's created an account specifically to post made up gak in order to mess with people. People are small minded and juvenile enough to do this, and this is why one should always view new accounts with low post numbers skeptically when it comes to posting rumours.
What ever happened to Rule Number One and be polite? It's one thing reading a rumour seeing low post count and move on, but to comment on it and say "I don't believe you" is just plain rude. Why do people feel they need to call someone out on it? We already have people look like arse because they called people out on low post count and they were in fact proven correct. Heaven forbid new people come to the forums and actually have rumours and be new at the same time.
Don't believe someone? Fine. No need to call them out on it and shame them.
Show me where anyone as been rude? This is, ultimately, a discussion forum, and therefore anyone posting is inviting their contributions to be discussed. The likely validity of a rumour is probably #1 at the top of the list of things likely to be discussed when someone posts new info, and the credibility of the source is directly and massively pertinent to that.
It is not rude to disbelieve someone, just as it isn't rude to disagree with someone, unless it is done so in a rude way.
But allow me to turn this back on you, if you felt this was a violation of terms, why'd you feel the need to comment, rather than just report and move on? Rule 2 is stay on topic, and, thanks to you, this little tangent certainly isn't.
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I took a good look and they seem spot on not too fat or skinny actually I think these are the first models to get their proportions just right. They don't look like beautiful girls either but nor are they hideous they are as generic looking as the space marines. Objective accomplished GW in my opinion. These models will make them more popular to collect for sure (perhaps not the most popular but a boost for sure).
Brienne of Tarth is the best example of a female warrior and what her armor would look like for actual combat. The sisters here are fantasized up a little and done to GW's proportions and over the top style to make painting more fun and interesting. With all that accounted for I think they strike the perfect balance.
As for 4chan that site is no more. What's left is the political website where everyone is trying to push agendas on each other. You could post a picture of a piece of lettuce and someone will have an angry rant on why its a fat skinny b---- and probably a liberal or x y z thing the person hates.
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2016/12/22 22:16:46
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Hm... I think she looks quite well-proportioned? I mean, she's still kind of weird because it's a GW mini and all (for example, she's like a whole head too small for that head), but taking that into account she seems very well proportioned, with maybe the exception of the leg she has raised, where the drawer seems to have painted it somewhat out of the actual armor.
Let me show you an example (NSFW):
Spoiler:
That was a proportions chart drawn by Frank Cho, which happens to be a quite famous drawer, and one that kind of specializes in the feminine form, too...
Spoiler:
I do not think I'd call that chubby myself, or non-feminine, but hey, I'm just a guy on the internet.
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2016/12/22 22:48:32
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
MadCowCrazy wrote: I think the idea is basically that the armor makes the sisters look fat. At least compared to every other female model ever produced by GW. These sisters don't have hourglass figures like all other females by GW, they are more barrel shaped I guess?
2016/12/22 22:57:18
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
You can't accurately judge or understand the proportions until you know what the material the armor is made from and how thick it is. That tends to happen when trying to project realistic expectations onto a fantasy/scifi environment.
Part of the issue is we don't have that information so we use real world examples. It looks like a corset, we know how thick and big corsets are, even leather style or boned style. That doesn't necessarily mean those are of similar thickness or style. There can also be different versions, as some artwork it looks more cloth, while others it is more of a metal substance.
Then we add in heroic scale issues and exaggerations. I mean all Cadian's aren't short, squat and fat either... they are just drawn that way. ^_^
2016/12/22 22:58:41
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Frankly I think it's less that Sisters have gotten chunkier, but that the new models have bulked out the waist armour under the corset cloth to make them look more heavilly armoured.
I like either look to be honest, but the thicker armour at least kills the old "armour isn't thick enough to actually be power armour" chestnut that I used to see back when Sisters were a little more common.
2016/12/22 23:10:51
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
Could not agree more. "sjw" slurs, juvenile discussions about "fat" models and 4chan meme garbage does not belong on any civilised forum, or anywhere in life for that matter.
And it completely blows my mind that detailed nude drawings and "discussions" about how fat a plastic model have never, EVER been a topic for discussion in regards to male figures... oh wait, no it doesn't. But misogyny doesn't exist, right
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2016/12/22 23:11:56
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
I will take GW's almost plausible for a divinely empowered angel like Celestine over Kingdom Death's or anime nonsense any day. Celestine could almost be a human female, if she was cycling test. Compared to anime? Or even compared to Marvel? LOL The Marvel chicks are on Tren.
2016/12/22 23:15:29
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
JohnnyHell wrote: Again with sexist, fat-shaming nonsense on a mandollies thread. I utterly despair about some of those who make up our hobby. May they all dwell at some other FLGS to me. Forever and ever. Amen.
Quoted for truth. It's sad to see. If people think that's fat they have an unrealistic expectation of the female form and should probably spend less time on pornhub.
2016/12/22 23:18:30
Subject: Games Workshop - Plastic Sisters and other White Dwarf leaks
MOCKING people MOCKING other things is still MOCKING things. You don't get moral superiority for it.
BACK TO RUMORS.
NONE IF THIS NONSENSE IS NEWS OR RUMORS. You're all welcome to your opinions regardless how right or wrong you all think you are, but it isn't related to where you're trying to argue them.
Has anyone been able to make out any more of Cawls rules? Others are starting to report his points may be 295 opposed to 495, and he doesn't appear to have an expanded FNP line (4+,3+, etc) so it may be a base FNP.
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