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Partly on the topic of Sisters, the Immolator in both the US and the UK are now temporarily out of stock and to email when their avalible.

and just when I was going to buy one too.

 fox-light713 wrote:
Partly on the topic of Sisters, the Immolator in both the US and the UK are now temporarily out of stock and to email when their avalible.

and just when I was going to buy one too.

May be a repackaging with new box art? It was an all plastic kit was it not?

Hopefully it'll be back in stock soon.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

 warboss wrote:
Has there been any explanation of how they're retconning the existing 13th Black Crusade from 2003ish? Or are they just forgetting that the prior event happened? Apologies if it's been known for a while but I haven't been following GW too closely in 2016.

It looks like they're keeping the overall results of the campaign, but are working it into a better narrative that suits their vision or the like.

 warboss wrote:
Has there been any explanation of how they're retconning the existing 13th Black Crusade from 2003ish? Or are they just forgetting that the prior event happened? Apologies if it's been known for a while but I haven't been following GW too closely in 2016.

There not retconing it, there expanding it. The events of the 13th crusade still stand.

Cant say I'm massively surprised that the new edition will be another rules tweak instead of a full overhaul. Even without the campaign and rules supplements 40k has a lot of army books that would have to be redone if there was a big change in the core mechanics of the rules.

40k doesn't need rules 'tweaks'. It needs a complete overhaul. The game is too cumbersome to function correctly.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Has there been any explanation of how they're retconning the existing 13th Black Crusade from 2003ish? Or are they just forgetting that the prior event happened? Apologies if it's been known for a while but I haven't been following GW too closely in 2016.

There not retconing it, there expanding it. The events of the 13th crusade still stand.

Cant say I'm massively surprised that the new edition will be another rules tweak instead of a full overhaul. Even without the campaign and rules supplements 40k has a lot of army books that would have to be redone if there was a big change in the core mechanics of the rules.

They did it before when 3rd Edition came out so there's no reason they can't do it again for this next edition. I think they're afraid of repeating the whole AoS fiasco and the impact that will have on sales.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
40k doesn't need rules 'tweaks'. It needs a complete overhaul. The game is too cumbersome to function correctly.

*waves*

Just to point it out - I didn't changed the quote of the source (I just re-posted it), so here are my two cents to give you some context behind "AoSing"

What AoS did to WHFB wasn't "just rules tweaks". It did more than that - it brought a whole new game (from a rank based mass battle system to .... well, a 40k-like skirmish system without points), it brought a reboot for the lore (because let's be honest - none of the preview fantasy lore matters anymore), and it brought a major change to the whole setting and tone. There is a scale difference between "AoS" and "rules changes/tweaks/whatever you want to call it.

For 40k - well, regarding rules. Afaik they aren't really happy how 7th plays out, so I would expect rule changes there. I would expect them to make the game easier to lern. And I would expect quality of live changes. But again, I don't really care for rules - they are a frame work to help with playing the story. Hell, the only information I was interested prior to AoS launch was the round base thing ....

The thing with the gathering storm - its the new main story arc that prepares for 8th, the story that is the step to the next 30 years of 40k. It's not a "good bye warhammer fantasy world, we will miss you but we got told to kill you off" thing.

It's just another step closer to midnight. The Imperium .... no, humanity is doomed anyways. They are doomed by Chaos, and this since 10.000 years. The dream is over, they are dead since Magnus destroyed the webway.

 Breotan wrote:

They did it before when 3rd Edition came out so there's no reason they can't do it again for this next edition. I think they're afraid of repeating the whole AoS fiasco and the impact that will have on sales.

True they did when 3rd(and 2nd) was released, but there are a fair few more army books and supplements out there now then when they made that change. Part of me wishes they would take the plunge and do a full rehaul of 40ks core mechanics, then another part looks at the shelves of current books and remembers being stuck with that crappy black and white booklet at the start of 3rd for far to long. That said Atias point about not nuking the setting would soften the blow if they did go for a full rules rethink. I think its safe to say we are all more attached to the background then we are the ballistic skill to hit chart Still I'm intrigued to see what changes they feel they can make while keeping(I assume) stuff like unit and weapon profiles the same.

If they would ever make major changes to the 40k core rules they will have to update and/or reprint all GW and FW army and campaign books. This has never happened before. And would be a 180 to GW's release policy for the last 30 years, I do not see how this could happen as I don't see how this would work well financially for them.

40k is sold like RPGs, with an always expanding range of supplements, and is not intended to be a tight set released at one go. I'm okay with that as there is always something new to explore and I enjoy the ride. I buy other systems for a more compact experience with faster play and better balancing. 40k is like a comic book franchise with several parallel series driven by each artist's creative energy, expanding into different branches who themselves expand into new ones. There is no final end, just an for some people less, for some more enjoyable ride.

Epic 40k tanked hard in 1997 and I think they have learned a lesson from it.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

They did it before when 3rd Edition came out so there's no reason they can't do it again for this next edition. I think they're afraid of repeating the whole AoS fiasco and the impact that will have on sales.

True they did when 3rd(and 2nd) was released, but there are a fair few more army books and supplements out there now then when they made that change. Part of me wishes they would take the plunge and do a full rehaul of 40ks core mechanics, then another part looks at the shelves of current books and remembers being stuck with that crappy black and white booklet at the start of 3rd for far to long. That said Atias point about not nuking the setting would soften the blow if they did go for a full rules rethink. I think its safe to say we are all more attached to the background then we are the ballistic skill to hit chart Still I'm intrigued to see what changes they feel they can make while keeping(I assume) stuff like unit and weapon profiles the same.

They could release slim volumes with revised stats etc to cover rule changes/mechanics covering the major factions similar to Grand Alliance tomes for AoS. If it is £10-15 for a book to get your forces up to date it might be manageable. They could do free digital downloads too. When you consider how much of a codex is taken up with fluff, art and unit descriptions the actual functioning rules isn't that much to update.

Atia, would you happen to have any idea whether the existing codices/supplements will be compatible with the 8th edition, or will it be a full rules reboot like it was with 3rd edition?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
40k doesn't need rules 'tweaks'. It needs a complete overhaul. The game is too cumbersome to function correctly.

I agree. And I also want to point out that giving the rules system a complete overhaul doesn't necessarily have to involve destroying the current setting and building a new one like AoS did. Keep the setting (with the new developments of course) but remake the rules. Which is pretty much what they did to the game going from 2nd to 3rd edition. Somebody else here once summed it up perfectly. We're not actually on version 7 of 40k, but rather version 3.4. Lets move on to version 4.

Although, all those Codexes and Supplements needing reworking might through a spanner in the works.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
40k doesn't need rules 'tweaks'. It needs a complete overhaul. The game is too cumbersome to function correctly.

I think it needs to be a cross between 5th and 4th ed, which, imo, were the more stable editions.
Albeit with some changes

- Cover modifies accuracy
- There should be some sort of suppression mechanic. Every squad based game out there seems to have one now, and 40k is being left out.
- Phil Kelly should not be allowed to touch Eldar ever again

 Red__Thirst wrote:

 fox-light713 wrote:
Partly on the topic of Sisters, the Immolator in both the US and the UK are now temporarily out of stock and to email when their avalible.

and just when I was going to buy one too.

May be a repackaging with new box art? It was an all plastic kit was it not?

Hopefully it'll be back in stock soon.

Take it easy.

-Red__Thirst-

This has been happening on a regular basis for the past five years or so. Units come and go off the out of stock list in the Susters range all the time. Completely business as usual, keep checking, it will be back. They new resin canopy window was the only thing that was missing that has taken the Immolator out of availability for a while. Though even then you could still get it through the Exorcist kit.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

I think it needs to be a cross between 5th and 4th ed, which, imo, were the more stable editions.
Albeit with some changes

Ope, it needs an AoS style reboot--ruleswise. One reason, accessibility.

What's the buy in to play 40K? $150 for the starter set. Pretty much the bare minimum you need to play...if you like either of the two starter armies. But what if you like those Tau or Necrons, and they aren't in the starter? What's your buy in if you aren't eBay savvy? $100 rule book. $60 codex. And all you wanted to do is buy some cool mechanic or space skeletons and see what this 40K thing was all about.

If GW isn't interested in proper gateway games (Necromunda) then the core game must be accessible both in clear and simple rules and the buy in. Start collecting boxes and free rules online would negate the need for Vedros or Kill Team boxes.

- Simple, easy to understand rules that are free on the web (with points values)
- Allow people to buy cool models and then try the game associated with it to get them to buy more

You don't need to blow up the galaxy, but they should blow up the current mentality of only selling to dwindling diehards.

Iain.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
There not retconing it, there expanding it. The events of the 13th crusade still stand.

Since when?

Warhams-77 wrote:
If they would ever make major changes to the 40k core rules they will have to update and/or reprint all GW and FW army and campaign books. This has never happened before.

Yes it has.

1. 1st to 2nd Ed.
2. 2nd Ed to 3rd Ed.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
There not retconing it, there expanding it. The events of the 13th crusade still stand.

Since when?

Since the worldwide campaign finished? Nearly all the background since then has been set before the 13th black crusade. With this series GW are revisiting and expanding on the events of the campaign.

Switching to a living rulebook available free online and in an app would be fully doable. Really push Kill Team as a game in its own right and you get tabletop gaming that is about as accessible as something that is about miniatures could be.

It's mostly about the willingness to put down the effort and resources.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
If they would ever make major changes to the 40k core rules they will have to update and/or reprint all GW and FW army and campaign books. This has never happened before.

Yes it has.

1. 1st to 2nd Ed.
2. 2nd Ed to 3rd Ed.

No HBMC, there hasn't been a revamp of such a scale, with now two companies and three series of army books, GW 40k + FW Imperial Armour + FW 30k. 2nd Ed were 9 codex and 1 campaign book, 1st Ed had a similiar sized range of books. That is nowhere near the 40+ army lists they would have to update now for new core rules. It would be a huge (but not impossible) undertaking. You are correct they have scrapped all earlier edition books when new editions came out and provided get-by rules instead.

I'm not saying it is impossible to achieve to re-write all rules at once, but I have doubts it would make sense for GW to do so. Would I welcome a new, better ruleset? Of course.




From the new White Dwarf in my hands - next issue teaser. Release: February 3rd

The Gathering Storm continues / A truly massive Paint Splatter / New rules for Silver Tower / ...

ST rules are Arcanite/Tzeentch related. Also (Spoiler) Eldrad takes part in Fall of Cadia book 1 according to a WD article.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Also (Spoiler) Eldrad takes part in Fall of Cadia book 1 according to a WD article.

Solo Eldrad release in the near future then? Just in time for him to "die" towards the end of the crusade

did anyone noticed under the army list mentions, on the black templar segment, they name a "marshal", and sternguard "sword brethren"?

New game teaser article

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/01/02/gangs-of-commorragh-coming-soon/

Posted 02/01/2017

Gangs of Commorragh – Coming Soon

The deadly aerial manoeuvres and breakneck speed of the turf wars of Commorragh are soon coming to a battlefield near you.

Gangs of Commorragh allows you to recreate the violent skirmish battles for territorial supremacy that are waged constantly in the spires of the Dark City. Take charge of a feral gang of Hellion skyboarders, or a pack of lethal Reavers and carve out your empire in the webway’s last great city.

The box is an entirely self-contained game, giving you everything you need to play, including two gangs, rules and card scenery to recreate the jagged towers of Commorraggah’s forbidding skyline.

You can play quick one-off games, or a full campaign in which your gang will grow and develop as you win battles and claim more territory.

All in, Gangs of Commorragh is looking pretty exciting, and we’ll have more news about this new box game very soon.

Until then, watch the skies…*

*(Or our Warhammer 40,000 Facebook page)

@Goatboy

'I will survive *Eldar dance moves*'

Warhams-77 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
If they would ever make major changes to the 40k core rules they will have to update and/or reprint all GW and FW army and campaign books. This has never happened before.

Yes it has.

...

I'm not saying it is impossible to achieve to re-write all rules at once, but I have doubts it would make sense for GW to do so. Would I welcome a new, better ruleset? Of course.

Sure it has with a more extreme switch in rules, WFB -> AoS.

And it's not 2 companies, it's one company and a niche model company. 30K doesn't need to be updated right away. Further the forty thousand space machine chapters don't all bee super individualized lists right away (or ever).

Huge task, he'll yeah!

Never been done before, happen a couple of years ago by the same company.

Iain.

So, if anyone still cares, I managed to get back to the living and take some WD pics myself - my brother was to busy shooting rockets Most of the stuff was in the Atia blog post already, but meh, I can live without e-fame.


Imgur gallery: Grayfax is a biiiig girl

Eh, maybe? She's wearing power armour with power spike heels, and a giant power hat; I mean yeah she'd probably be about 6'0 out of armour but those photos are made of optical illusions.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
power spike heels,

I know it's a shallow complaint, but I really really don't like those heels... Also seems out of place, Inquisitors have always come across to me as practical people, not ones who care about Fashion or anything

 TheoreticalFish wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
power spike heels,

I know it's a shallow complaint, but I really really don't like those heels... Also seems out of place, Inquisitors have always come across to me as practical people, not ones who care about Fashion or anything

Depends on the Inquisitor. Some are quite eccentric.

 TheoreticalFish wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
power spike heels,

I know it's a shallow complaint, but I really really don't like those heels... Also seems out of place, Inquisitors have always come across to me as practical people, not ones who care about Fashion or anything

They probably have jump-jets or rockets hidden in them.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 TheoreticalFish wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
power spike heels,

I know it's a shallow complaint, but I really really don't like those heels... Also seems out of place, Inquisitors have always come across to me as practical people, not ones who care about Fashion or anything

Depends on the Inquisitor. Some are quite eccentric.

Or willing to play the part for effect. A certain level of theatrics could be useful, especially for the Ordo Hereticus.

Warhams-77 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
If they would ever make major changes to the 40k core rules they will have to update and/or reprint all GW and FW army and campaign books. This has never happened before.

Yes it has.

1. 1st to 2nd Ed.
2. 2nd Ed to 3rd Ed.

No HBMC, there hasn't been a revamp of such a scale, with now two companies and three series of army books, GW 40k + FW Imperial Armour + FW 30k. 2nd Ed were 9 codex and 1 campaign book, 1st Ed had a similiar sized range of books. That is nowhere near the 40+ army lists they would have to update now for new core rules. It would be a huge (but not impossible) undertaking. You are correct they have scrapped all earlier edition books when new editions came out and provided get-by rules instead.

I'm not saying it is impossible to achieve to re-write all rules at once, but I have doubts it would make sense for GW to do so. Would I welcome a new, better ruleset? Of course.

Not to be pedantic, but define "scale". Twice now they have replaced 100% of the 40k rules and printed material. They could do it again. We have four times as many army lists now than we did in second edition, but GW churns out releases at a fairly ludicrous rate these days. Comparing the catalog to the rate of production, I'd say the scale isn't that far off. Of course, many rules releases have been stale and poorly thought out rehashes of 6th edition dexes...

Still, I think (if they wanted to commit the resources) within a few years they could replace all the existing material, and they'd have an excuse for new releases for every faction. Old books sitting on someone's shelf do not necessarily generate money for GW. New books you have to rebuy do. Especially if better rules brought in more new players and helped retain old ones.