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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Atia wrote:
And now stop the attacking and I'll go back and enjoy my read of 'Disciplines of Tzeentch", thanks.

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Atia is awesome, stop the war please.


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gungo wrote:

Spoiler:

Ding!!! Celestine was always stated to not have an unlimited lifeline. This isn't new.

SPOILERS!
And references. Because without references, I can also say that the Emperor has always been a Khorne Bloodthirster in disguise. (Not a real spoiler, but you knew that.)
I'm not saying that this isn't true, I am saying I never say any text by GW implying so, and I want to check out your reference.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
So is this book worth buying for the story alone?

Are any of GW's books worth buying for story alone?

Well, I bought a second-hand version of Codex: Sisters of Battle, from 40k's 2nd edition, long after it was playable, and I don't regret that purchase, so... yeah?

Straight from the 6ed codex
There is multiple areas where it states her reincarnation isn't permanant.
"Celestine has stated that she will die only when the Emperor himself claims her, and not a moment before."

Then that may be evidence of what will happen after the Emperor's mortal form expires.

If she is tarting to fade and we know the golden throne is failing and the Emperor is too then I get the feeling he won't become a warp god.

Assuming this has been the plan or taken into consideration from GW.

 Gamgee wrote:
Then that may be evidence of what will happen after the Emperor's mortal form expires.

If she is tarting to fade and we know the golden throne is failing and the Emperor is too then I get the feeling he won't become a warp god.

Assuming this has been the plan or taken into consideration from GW.

No one knows what the emporer plan is warp God, chaos god, star child, etc.
all we know is that he is cool with killing millions of psykers a day to keep himself alive.

I want this one...

AND this is from someone who thinks GW sucks even worse then before. And aside from all of their efforts to win me back last, and this year so far, THIS might actually be the one to do it..

Before these other two nubs gets the thread locked, THIS character is both a support, and an attack piece. If I was an Imperial Player, (Which ... I am.) I would have him and his retinue right in the middle of my forces, and throwing that buff, supporting the force, to both the Armor, and fast attack to lock in, then add in his attack on whatever was locked in. He is a "SPECIAL" special character, and the discussion given gives this guy as the ultimate support character that you could have. I can see this guy one or two shotting a Bloodthirster or enemy characters, as well. I'm going to be expecting stats of 1 or 2+ on everything, not even a word yet to his retinue, which we all know will be incoming as his meat shield.

They talked about his weaponry, his special abilities, and how his roll is used to expand support to the Imp army in general. He will be on par with a extra Ace of Spades in a poker game, and added to the other two characters in the trio, I bet they do a great acapella.

I've been looking over the material since my last post a little, and hate to say it.... 30K, here we come. The Sigmerization of 40K is in hand.

gungo wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Then that may be evidence of what will happen after the Emperor's mortal form expires.

If she is tarting to fade and we know the golden throne is failing and the Emperor is too then I get the feeling he won't become a warp god.

Assuming this has been the plan or taken into consideration from GW.

No one knows what the emporer plan is warp God, chaos god, star child, etc.
all we know is that he is cool with killing millions of psykers a day to keep himself alive.

Its not him killing the psykers to keep himself alive...

Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

gungo wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Then that may be evidence of what will happen after the Emperor's mortal form expires.

If she is tarting to fade and we know the golden throne is failing and the Emperor is too then I get the feeling he won't become a warp god.

Assuming this has been the plan or taken into consideration from GW.

No one knows what the emporer plan is warp God, chaos god, star child, etc.
all we know is that he is cool with killing millions of psykers a day to keep himself alive.

Its not him killing the psykers to keep himself alive...

Besides, the ones that get fed into the machine are the ones that fail the testing and are scheduled for execution/drooling husks anyway. This is how the Imperium kills two birds with but one massively ornate ancient device of uncertain origin and purpose.

gungo wrote:
There is multiple areas where it states her reincarnation isn't permanant.
"Celestine has stated that she will die only when the Emperor himself claims her, and not a moment before."

Okay, we'll have to agree to disagree here, because this quote doesn't look AT ALL the same to me than "Every time I resurect I lose a bit of my soul/my memories". It sounds like something Yarrick might say, and doesn't even mention ressurection.
It's on par with the "I'm too busy to die" quote from Vandire, and Vandire did die nonetheless. It doesn't even acknowledge something supernatural. Which was the cool thing about acts of faith. They could be interpreted as just the Sister's willpower, or intervention from the Emperor. And Celestine's resurection too. Maybe she died and ressurected. Maybe she would fight again despite terrible injuries. Maybe she was thought to be killed but was just lucky and escaped death. Or was that natural luck?

The real question is to ask What Would Gaunt Do?

Going back to the dramatis personae list

guru wrote:
Harlequin Shadowseer in dramatis personae... Sylandri Veilwalker

Do any of the named characters without models make it out alive? Cause I wouldn't say no to models of any of them.

At least Tor Garadon makes it... though he does have rules (but no model).

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

gungo wrote:
There is multiple areas where it states her reincarnation isn't permanant.
"Celestine has stated that she will die only when the Emperor himself claims her, and not a moment before."

Okay, we'll have to agree to disagree here, because this quote doesn't look AT ALL the same to me than "Every time I resurect I lose a bit of my soul/my memories". It sounds like something Yarrick might say, and doesn't even mention ressurection.
It's on par with the "I'm too busy to die" quote from Vandire, and Vandire did die nonetheless. It doesn't even acknowledge something supernatural. Which was the cool thing about acts of faith. They could be interpreted as just the Sister's willpower, or intervention from the Emperor. And Celestine's resurection too. Maybe she died and ressurected. Maybe she would fight again despite terrible injuries. Maybe she was thought to be killed but was just lucky and escaped death. Or was that natural luck?

The "Celestine has stated that she will die only when the Emperor himself claims her, and not a moment before." was originally from the "Spirit of the Martyr" Act of Faith from Chapter Approved 2001 where it applied to any Battle Sister squad that used the act. It was the same in the Witch Hunter codex that followed applying to all who used the act. It was only in the 5th Ed White Dwarf codex when they made the Acts unit specific that the line was applied to Celestine.

When Celestine debuted in the Witch Hunter codex Celestine never died as a Repentia, she was mortally wounded and dying. The other sisters discover that she is alive while they are collecting the honored dead. She was no longer merely human however. Her "ruined" body is made whole before the eyes of her astonished sisters. Which was her first miracle, and her apotheosis. Also in her original background Celestine never falls once during the Palatine Crusade. She was never bested in combat and never lost. Her assumed death occurred with the renegade Warmaster Forrax detonated that reactors of his fortress as the crusade stormed. It was not even confirmed that she died at its climax as there were no survivors and no body. The Ecclesiarchy and Adepta Sororitas assumed that she had died as she did not return to them and the crusade ended.

Celestine was original a dead historical character from the history of the SOB. The Eccisarchy and SOB believed that she now sat at the side of the Emperor. Her entry ended with this: "Shall we ever see her like? No, not now, nor ever again...." Which could be seen as leaving open the possibility of her returning.

Her resurrection narrative originates in the 5th Ed Sisters codex, penned by none other that Matt Ward. There it states "It is said that she has fallen in combat several times, having been dealt a mortal blow by one of the Imperium's many enemies. However each time she has miraculously returned to life for Celestine will die only when the Emperor himself claims her, an not a moment before".

So, like most myths and legends Celestine story begins fairly mundane and expanded over time to what we have now. She lead a crusade at sometime in the past, and was presumed dead. How long ago is speculation since no date has ever been given for the Palatine Crusade. Only later to miraculously return.

Pretty hilarious and appropriate that Matt Ward would be the one to blow the subtly of her returning way out of wack.

I always just assumed Celestine had the ability to jump in an out of the warp at will. I have no basis for this, just my own thoughts.

Stormonu wrote:Cadia falls, and not a single Imperial Guard model bundle (or new model) to be found? What a rip.

I don't see why people are upset. Like why now? I can understand if you said Cadian guardsmen but to say Imperial Guard or Astra Militarium is just wrong to get upset. IG/AM are just like cockroaches. They are everywhere. By going by IG/AM not having new kits that should be like saying anytime a story comes up there should always be something new for IG/AM because they should be based there as well.

So the only rip of is that there is no Cadian minis, not IG/AM minis because that can be said for any setting that gets new minis.

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Note, please if someone is going to reply to this next question of mine please put it in spoilers. [/spoiler]Do we really know that Cadia blows up or is that just guess work from pictures? I thought from reading the spoilers on Dakka Cadia takes a beating but doesn't blow up. How do we know for sure it blows up?[spoiler]

 Red Corsair wrote:
Pretty hilarious and appropriate that Matt Ward would be the one to blow the subtly of her returning way out of wack.

The subltety of the Sisters died long before Mat Ward got his hands on them.

They were originally fanatical religious zealots all about the Angry Churchin'. Then when that didn't sell, they tried to turn them into D&D Clerics with magical powers. The Celestine becoming some sort of unkillable living saint was just the natural progression of that. I mean, we've gone from the Sacred Rites giving the Sisters Hatred or Frenzy, to Acts of Faith literally making their bullets magically do more damage and penetrate armor with Rending.

Now they're best friends with the Black Templars, forgetting the classic "Protestant vs Catholic" theme they had before. Modern GW writers just don't understand nuance, subtlety, or theme. Not just Mat Ward. Look what they did with Abaddon, retconning the 12 failed Black Crusades into some kind of silly "Just as Planned" ten-thousand-year long con.

Just incase any of you guys have not seen it, or need to pedantically check and double check against the track records of rumour mongers...

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Spoiler:

I think this is a plastic lord of change.
[edit] I think GW should have given it MOAR HEADZ![/edit]

I'll be in my bunk.

I want to buy a couple dozen of the flame guys at his feet.

 Atia wrote:


And now stop the attacking and I'll go back and enjoy my read of 'Disciplines of Tzeentch", thanks.

Review when?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Spoiler:

I think this is a plastic lord of change.
[edit] I think GW should have given it MOAR HEADZ![/edit]

You can make it into Fateweaver, so there's that.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

Spoiler:

I think this is a plastic lord of change.
[edit] I think GW should have given it MOAR HEADZ![/edit]

I have very little doubt that the kit will have at least one two-headed optional build and possibly two, one of them representing Kairos Fateweaver, unless he's getting his own special version later.


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 deviantduck wrote:
I want to buy a couple dozen of the flame guys at his feet.

WQ: ST has "four pairs" of them (brimstone horrors) so if you hit up eBay there's probably a few to be found.

endlesswaltz123 wrote:
Just incase any of you guys have not seen it, or need to pedantically check and double check against the track records of rumour mongers...

Great image. Now if only you didn't need to dance all over rule 1 to post it.

Incredible miniature. Much much better than Magnus. Now, we only need a plastic kos since the glotkin makes a lerfect GUO

Keep checking this thread for rules info from fall of Cadia. It keeps getting posts.

The number of random avenues the conversation can go down in the absence of any relevant info is fascinating like a lava lamp.

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Cadian Blood from 2009 talks about Cadia burning, falling and the Cadian retreating in passing to the plot (also a Titan walking the surface too!).

So...Yeah...This has been the direction GW has been looking at for a while.

Excellent model. Love it.

the other daemons Atia is referrering to, are probably blue and brimstone horrors