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 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
"Did you not here what I said!? I am going to kill the chaos Gods, therefore all Daemons shall cease to be! Honestly you heretics have no common sense!"

I heard you making a threat that you are not actually capable of carrying through on.

Hence my lack of concern and goading you into being skullfethed to death by demons for my amusement.

"The poor deluded fool thinks that I cannot destroy the Chaos Gods, I would pitty your ignorance if you weren't such a heretic."

The Emperor can't do it.

You're not more powerful than the Emperor.

You cannot do it.

You ever met a plague bearer?

Indeed, nurgle daemons are pretty disgusting. The worst is probably the forgeworld unclean one.

There's something particularly disturbing about the way the Tyranids are designed, for me anyway.

 n0t_u wrote:
Maybe this thread should get back on topic before it starts getting lewd.

I derailed it much further up the page with the genestealer cult idea. Though i havent really seen an argument against that plan yet. Seem like the way to go!

Back on topic, the nids codex is relatively old and less powerful than the new chaos legions codexes. Id take my chances with my astral militarium codex with enough antiair to down the flying mc's.

Additionally, is there a chance for me to potentially impress an inquisitor and join as an acolyte henchman?

 sudojoe wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
Maybe this thread should get back on topic before it starts getting lewd.

I derailed it much further up the page with the genestealer cult idea. Though i havent really seen an argument against that plan yet. Seem like the way to go!

Back on topic, the nids codex is relatively old and less powerful than the new chaos legions codexes. Id take my chances with my astral militarium codex with enough antiair to down the flying mc's.

Additionally, is there a chance for me to potentially impress an inquisitor and join as an acolyte henchman?

Generally, I don't believe the Imperium is good enough to even consider staying in if a better life presents itself, regardless of which faction you go with.

I think it will really come down to the chances to get either settlement rights or retirement to a paradise planet. Ultimately that path would lead to a potential outcome that could trumph nearly unlimited matings with the genestealer cult. Mostly cause think of how many dipers youd have to change in the cult!

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
"Did you not here what I said!? I am going to kill the chaos Gods, therefore all Daemons shall cease to be! Honestly you heretics have no common sense!"

I heard you making a threat that you are not actually capable of carrying through on.

Hence my lack of concern and goading you into being skullfethed to death by demons for my amusement.

"The poor deluded fool thinks that I cannot destroy the Chaos Gods, I would pitty your ignorance if you weren't such a heretic."

The Emperor can't do it.

You're not more powerful than the Emperor.

You cannot do it.

"Of course tge Emperor could destroy chaos, he, uh, just chose not to! Yeah, he thought it would take all the fun out of life if we had no one to fight so he let the Chaos Gods live."

 sudojoe wrote:
I think it will really come down to the chances to get either settlement rights or retirement to a paradise planet. Ultimately that path would lead to a potential outcome that could trumph nearly unlimited matings with the genestealer cult. Mostly cause think of how many dipers youd have to change in the cult!

It's the Imperium.

WHAT "paradise planet"? They're all god-awful and the Ecclesiarchy and Battle Sisters who burn you to death for being a heretic are EVERYWHERE.

You're an Imperial Guardsman.

WHAT "retirement"? You are simply going to DIE before reaching an age at which retirement is possible. Some planetary wars require the ENTIRE Imperial Guard force on the planet to be replaced because they ALL died in the fighting, then that happened AGAIN.

THERE. IS. NO. OPTION. BUT. DEATH. IN. BATTLE.

They're extremely rare though and looking them up there's about 14 that have been mentioned, 6 of those are former paradise worlds now.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Paradise_World

 n0t_u wrote:
They're extremely rare though and looking them up there's about 14 that have been mentioned, 6 of those are former paradise worlds now.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Paradise_World

I stand corrected.

My point about the lack of a retirement package stands though.

 Pouncey wrote:

 sudojoe wrote:
I think it will really come down to the chances to get either settlement rights or retirement to a paradise planet. Ultimately that path would lead to a potential outcome that could trumph nearly unlimited matings with the genestealer cult. Mostly cause think of how many dipers youd have to change in the cult!

It's the Imperium.

WHAT "paradise planet"? They're all god-awful and the Ecclesiarchy and Battle Sisters who burn you to death for being a heretic are EVERYWHERE.

You're an Imperial Guardsman.

WHAT "retirement"? You are simply going to DIE before reaching an age at which retirement is possible. Some planetary wars require the ENTIRE Imperial Guard force on the planet to be replaced because they ALL died in the fighting, then that happened AGAIN.

THERE. IS. NO. OPTION. BUT. DEATH. IN. BATTLE.

They actually talk about those paradise planets in the grey knights first novel. Its an incentive for the imperiums high ranking people to keep working and not betray the emperor. The chances for an average guardsman to go there are essentially zero though.

Which means that getting randy in the genestealer cults first and second gen era wins for longevity and payoff before death. Sounds like we have a winner!

 Pouncey wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
They're extremely rare though and looking them up there's about 14 that have been mentioned, 6 of those are former paradise worlds now.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Paradise_World

I stand corrected.

My point about the lack of a retirement package stands though.

It exists for the high lords and high ranking officials only.

 n0t_u wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
They're extremely rare though and looking them up there's about 14 that have been mentioned, 6 of those are former paradise worlds now.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Paradise_World

I stand corrected.

My point about the lack of a retirement package stands though.

It exists for the high lords and high ranking officials only.

I.E. People who I, as an Imperial Guardsman, are in fact, not, and never will be.

I dont suppose if we just have the comissar execute enough higher ups that i as the lowly guardsman can be promoted to colonel? And then sweet talk my way onto said paradise planet?

 sudojoe wrote:
I dont suppose if we just have the comissar execute enough higher ups that i as the lowly guardsman can be promoted to colonel? And then sweet talk my way onto said paradise planet?

How many Colonels do you think the Imperial Guard has, exactly?

Is it a small enough number to deserve similar retirement packages to the Lords of Terra?

It's probably as likely as a meteor suddenly striking the imperial palace and taking out the emperor.

 n0t_u wrote:
It's probably as likely as a meteor suddenly striking the imperial palace and taking out the emperor.

Given how often meteorites enter our atmosphere in real life, it's not THAT unlikely.

It's just that anything dangerous gets taken out by Terra's defence fleet before it can enter the atmosphere.

 Pouncey wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
It's probably as likely as a meteor suddenly striking the imperial palace and taking out the emperor.

Given how often meteorites enter our atmosphere in real life, it's not THAT unlikely.

It's just that anything dangerous gets taken out by Terra's defence fleet before it can enter the atmosphere.

Exactly, then it'd have to be big enough to have enough force to get through the palace which would only make it easier for the defences to stop it.

We need to get back on topic of which would be the better choice: getting it on with slanesh or genestealer cults.

All this meteor talk does nothing for the greater good.
Incidentally, if im on the eastern frindge whats my chances of defecting to the tau?

 n0t_u wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
It's probably as likely as a meteor suddenly striking the imperial palace and taking out the emperor.

Given how often meteorites enter our atmosphere in real life, it's not THAT unlikely.

It's just that anything dangerous gets taken out by Terra's defence fleet before it can enter the atmosphere.

Exactly, then it'd have to be big enough to have enough force to get through the palace which would only make it easier for the defences to stop it.

Just for reference, this occurred about 100 years ago in 1908.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska_event

The 30th millennium to 40th millennium is a 10,000 year-long duration.

This is what was happening 10,000 years ago on Earth in real life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8th_millennium_BC

Here's the list of human inventions, discoveries, and interventions for the 1,000 year period of the 8th millennium BC.

Rise of agriculture
The earliest evidence of lentil cropping is in association with wheat and barley at Mureybet in Syria 8500–7500 BC, Hacilar and Çayönü in Turkey 7500–6500 BC[2]
Bladed tools found in southwest Iran date from around 8000 BC; they were made from obsidian that had been transported from Anatolia[3][page needed]
Potatoes and beans are cultivated in South America
Beginning of millet[4] and rice cultivation in East Asia
Domestication of the cat and Bos aegyptiacus ox in Ancient Egypt
Domestication of sheep in Southwest Asia
Huts, hearths, granaries, and nonportable stone tools for grinding grains Africa
Catal Huyuk, men wear animals skins, plus hats of the same material Asia
Houses, kilns, pottery, turquoise carvings, tools made from stone and bone, and bone flutes China
Clay and plaster are molded to form statues at Jericho and Ain Ghazal Mediterranean
First evidence of incised "counting tokens" about 9,000 years ago in the Neolithic fertile crescent, Asia
Japanese potters begin to decorate pottery cooking vessels
Simple pottery traditions sometimes with cord impressions or other decorative markings Korea
Evidence of wheat, barley, sheep, goats, and pigs suggests that a food-producing economy is adopted in Aegean Greece
Franchthi Cave in the Argolid, Greece, attests to the earliest deliberate burials in Greece
North Sea: large areas of sea floor exposed in Doggerland Europe
Pottery making, burial mound construction, and garden technology Mexico
In the valley of Mexico, chili peppers and "grain" (amaranth and maize) are grown
World—Between 12,000 BC and 5000 BC it appears that massive inland flooding was taking place in several regions of the world, making for subsequent sea level rises, which could be relatively abrupt for many worldwide

And for fun, here's Wikipedia's page for the 100-year period of the 20th century AD:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_century

Please notice how long the "Developments in brief" article is, and what kind of things happened in a 100-year period in real life in which you have probably lived some part of your life in.

Frankly, the WH40k Imperium is actually LOW-tech, given how far into the future it is. Like, EXTREMELY primitive. EVEN while the Emperor was alive. Their power armor can't even take a nuke. We could probably design power armor that could do that in the MODERN day if a spacefaring civilization lent us their infrastructure, technology, and production facilities because they were a bunch of pacifists being attacked and came to us IRL, right NOW, and asked for us to use our expertise in military matters to save them with whatever tech they could make for us, with us providing the blueprints for whatever and they just make it and give it to us. And yes, they could build us a space navy that could kick the crap out of the Imperium too if we simply gave them the blueprints of literally anything we considered practically possible as a weapon of war and they just BUILT it for us.

However, the reality of traveling to other star systems at all requires three things that, combined, should mean that the Imperium would have no real enemies in the 40k setting.

1. Unlimited energy from fusion reactors. Solves any realistic energy problem you need solved.
2. Mining asteroid belts. Solves your resource problems.
3. 100% perfect recycling capabilities. Required for starships to operate.

These three fundamental requirements for interstellar travel mean that by the time any civilization can get to another planet, it can fix whatever problems it caused on its own planet that might make it want to wipe out another civilization for their resources. And the Imperium has 1,000,000 planets that are linked by interstellar fleets. In real life, a civilization as large as the Imperium would probably take care of enemies like the Chaos Gods by just, like, killing them, with regular weapons. Demons can be hurt, even in the Warp. So can the Chaos Gods then. The Imperium should possess the resources necessary to wipe out the entire Warp in a war. Tyranid Hive Fleets would also not pose a serious challenge in real life if humanity spanned a million worlds.

Easy, Daemons can be reasoned with, Nids cannot.

 Pouncey wrote:
Frankly, the WH40k Imperium is actually LOW-tech, given how far into the future it is. Like, EXTREMELY primitive. EVEN while the Emperor was alive. Their power armor can't even take a nuke. We could probably design power armor that could do that in the MODERN day if a spacefaring civilization lent us their infrastructure, technology, and production facilities because they were a bunch of pacifists being attacked and came to us IRL, right NOW, and asked for us to use our expertise in military matters to save them with whatever tech they could make for us, with us providing the blueprints for whatever and they just make it and give it to us. And yes, they could build us a space navy that could kick the crap out of the Imperium too if we simply gave them the blueprints of literally anything we considered practically possible as a weapon of war and they just BUILT it for us.

However, the reality of traveling to other star systems at all requires three things that, combined, should mean that the Imperium would have no real enemies in the 40k setting.

1. Unlimited energy from fusion reactors. Solves any realistic energy problem you need solved.
2. Mining asteroid belts. Solves your resource problems.
3. 100% perfect recycling capabilities. Required for starships to operate.

These three fundamental requirements for interstellar travel mean that by the time any civilization can get to another planet, it can fix whatever problems it caused on its own planet that might make it want to wipe out another civilization for their resources. And the Imperium has 1,000,000 planets that are linked by interstellar fleets. In real life, a civilization as large as the Imperium would probably take care of enemies like the Chaos Gods by just, like, killing them, with regular weapons. Demons can be hurt, even in the Warp. So can the Chaos Gods then. The Imperium should possess the resources necessary to wipe out the entire Warp in a war. Tyranid Hive Fleets would also not pose a serious challenge in real life if humanity spanned a million worlds.

The tech level was lowered significantly due to the widespread event of the iron men (M23), then later again during the heresy when the dark mechanicum formed and mars was in a full on war. Religious dogma then keeps the development of new tech almost completely static as well.

I mean the Imperium even still uses combustion engines for its vehicles (most of them at least and not the space ships).

The Imperium had those above problems back when it was just humanity and sending out colony ships in like M3, thanks to the internet today's date is 0 985 016.M3, which as a fun fact puts us ~84 years until mars is terraformed in the timeline and humanity starts colonising the rest of the solar system before later sending out those Ohnyl Cylinders. However humanity doesn't start colonising the surrounding systems until M15 with the start of the first dark age of technology. The warp drive being invented in M18, the stcs being perfected in M22 (leaving a lot of room for colonies to be sent out without enough tech or having to rely almost on living memory I guess), M21 titans are finally invented. After the iron men in M23 which wiped out a lot of humanity, most of the separate colonies were cut off from each other until the great crusade ~7000 years later. Sure they had plenty of time to advance and some really did however a lot were reliant on their stcs if they had survived to that point and thus if the stc failed they just lost the technology as there wasn't much understanding of how it all worked at this point as the machine did that for you.

Humanity still has a lot of leftover tech and some knowledge of some things still, however a lot of the knowledge of making new stuff is just gone and too far gone to catch back up with the religious stuff in the way as well.

But this is getting off topic to the point where it could be a thread of it's own.

Ruinous powers, so I can betray the imperium in the name of the blood god and swear allegiance to chaos to collect skulls for the mighty throne! =]

Why not both

 n0t_u wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
Frankly, the WH40k Imperium is actually LOW-tech, given how far into the future it is. Like, EXTREMELY primitive. EVEN while the Emperor was alive. Their power armor can't even take a nuke. We could probably design power armor that could do that in the MODERN day if a spacefaring civilization lent us their infrastructure, technology, and production facilities because they were a bunch of pacifists being attacked and came to us IRL, right NOW, and asked for us to use our expertise in military matters to save them with whatever tech they could make for us, with us providing the blueprints for whatever and they just make it and give it to us. And yes, they could build us a space navy that could kick the crap out of the Imperium too if we simply gave them the blueprints of literally anything we considered practically possible as a weapon of war and they just BUILT it for us.

However, the reality of traveling to other star systems at all requires three things that, combined, should mean that the Imperium would have no real enemies in the 40k setting.

1. Unlimited energy from fusion reactors. Solves any realistic energy problem you need solved.
2. Mining asteroid belts. Solves your resource problems.
3. 100% perfect recycling capabilities. Required for starships to operate.

These three fundamental requirements for interstellar travel mean that by the time any civilization can get to another planet, it can fix whatever problems it caused on its own planet that might make it want to wipe out another civilization for their resources. And the Imperium has 1,000,000 planets that are linked by interstellar fleets. In real life, a civilization as large as the Imperium would probably take care of enemies like the Chaos Gods by just, like, killing them, with regular weapons. Demons can be hurt, even in the Warp. So can the Chaos Gods then. The Imperium should possess the resources necessary to wipe out the entire Warp in a war. Tyranid Hive Fleets would also not pose a serious challenge in real life if humanity spanned a million worlds.

The tech level was lowered significantly due to the widespread event of the iron men (M23), then later again during the heresy when the dark mechanicum formed and mars was in a full on war. Religious dogma then keeps the development of new tech almost completely static as well.

I mean the Imperium even still uses combustion engines for its vehicles (most of them at least and not the space ships).

The Imperium had those above problems back when it was just humanity and sending out colony ships in like M3, thanks to the internet today's date is 0 985 016.M3, which as a fun fact puts us ~84 years until mars is terraformed in the timeline and humanity starts colonising the rest of the solar system before later sending out those Ohnyl Cylinders. However humanity doesn't start colonising the surrounding systems until M15 with the start of the first dark age of technology. The warp drive being invented in M18, the stcs being perfected in M22 (leaving a lot of room for colonies to be sent out without enough tech or having to rely almost on living memory I guess), M21 titans are finally invented. After the iron men in M23 which wiped out a lot of humanity, most of the separate colonies were cut off from each other until the great crusade ~7000 years later. Sure they had plenty of time to advance and some really did however a lot were reliant on their stcs if they had survived to that point and thus if the stc failed they just lost the technology as there wasn't much understanding of how it all worked at this point as the machine did that for you.

Humanity still has a lot of leftover tech and some knowledge of some things still, however a lot of the knowledge of making new stuff is just gone and too far gone to catch back up with the religious stuff in the way as well.

But this is getting off topic to the point where it could be a thread of it's own.

Yeah, uh, generally my point is WH40k lore is BS, but we already knew that. It's not a matter of them not knowing how to make new stuff, it's a matter of the stuff they SHOULD have been making in their glory days, before Horus did his Heresy thing, outclasses what they DID make to a degree you have to believe that for some reason they deliberately chose to make terrible stuff instead of good stuff when they could easily do both and use the WH40k stuff for cosplays. Literally, a human soldier from the 30th millennium IRL encounters a Custodes, the IRL human would be going, "Cute cosplay, but did you have to go with that much gold?" Then the Custodes threatens the IRL human, who goes, "Are you... serious?" Then the Custodes tries to kill the IRL human with his weapon, who just leaves at walking speed. Or possibly fires a round and explodes the Custodes into goo if he needs to defend himself and says to the second Custodes, "The hell was his problem?" Because boltguns need to pack explosives into the round to explode, the IRL human's weapon's bullets get a much more impressive effect by just traveling at relativistic velocities. It's not a matter of "laying siege to Terra" it's a matter of just torpedoing anything from orbit you want to destroy after obliterating the defense fleet.

Also, uh, all those problems probably wouldn't stop humanity IRL.

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
Some daemons do accept deals right ?
I vote daemons.

What deal could you offer a daemon that it would consider beneficial, as a guardsman?

My first born kid, the guy next to me. Who cares a small chance on survival is always better than imminent death.

 oldzoggy wrote:

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
Some daemons do accept deals right ?
I vote daemons.

What deal could you offer a daemon that it would consider beneficial, as a guardsman?

My first born kid, the guy next to me. Who cares a small chance on survival is always better than imminent death.

I'd go with something simple, like, "My soul."

 oldzoggy wrote:

 Unyielding Hunger wrote:

 oldzoggy wrote:
Some daemons do accept deals right ?
I vote daemons.

What deal could you offer a daemon that it would consider beneficial, as a guardsman?

My first born kid, the guy next to me. Who cares a small chance on survival is always better than imminent death.

not always

Also daemons could be a isolated insurgence. Sacrificing myself to safe the village from daemons might be useful, tyranids are just an unstoppable wave of doom.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Also daemons could be a isolated insurgence. Sacrificing myself to safe the village from daemons might be useful, tyranids are just an unstoppable wave of doom.

I was imagining that maybe sometimes the demons would just kill stuff fast in a rush, without torturing it.

Then I remembered that IG are deployed to planets by the tens of millions per planet.

Killing tens of millions of soldiers while making sure each one died tortuously? Wouldn't that take so long you'd get bored?

If you get bored torturing people, you aren't being creative enough.