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 Vaktathi wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
What did he ignore christians about again?

O.o

ISIS systematic elimination of Christians and other religious and ethnic minorities in the Middle East. Obama and his administration has said/done anything.

You mean, aside from reinsert US forces in the region (even if in a smaller scale than before), launch airstrikes agains ISIS and in direct support of freindly Iraqi and Kurdish ground forces against ISIS? There were no US aid drops to trapped Yazidi refugees or airstrikes in support of defending militia?


While there could potentially be more done, the idea that *nothing* has been done is a bit silly.

Also this... This sounds like perceived slights that you have Whemb.

Just when you thought it couldn't get worse whembly actually believes that Obama hates christians. At this point I think you are just playing a bit

 Vash108 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
What did he ignore christians about again?

O.o

ISIS systematic elimination of Christians and other religious and ethnic minorities in the Middle East. Obama and his administration has said/done anything.

The Egyptian Coptics...

fething Little Sisters of the Poor...

Need I go on?

So Within the United States... which our government has control of... how has he hurt christians, with the passing of any laws or discrimination.

Little Sisters of the Poor and Hobby Lobby are the big ones.

 whembly wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
What did he ignore christians about again?

O.o

ISIS systematic elimination of Christians and other religious and ethnic minorities in the Middle East. Obama and his administration has said/done anything.

I mean besides bombing the crap our of them and supporting the coalition against them, not at thing!

The Egyptian Coptics...

So you want him to invade the middle east again, it that it?

fething Little Sisters of the Poor...

What, taking the stance "you aren't alowed to pick and choice what laws you accept because of your religion" is 'ignoring' Christians? Saying that you can't deny employees coverage just because you don't like what they do with it? Tyring to provide basic coverage for all people is "ignoring" Christians? He hasn't ignored Christians, he just hasn't catered to their every whim. And 9/10 that's what people mean when they complain about a majority getting "ignored".

Need I go on?

Yes, as you haven't provided any evidence of him "ignoring" Christians.

 Vash108 wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
What did he ignore christians about again?

O.o

ISIS systematic elimination of Christians and other religious and ethnic minorities in the Middle East. Obama and his administration has said/done anything.

You mean, aside from reinsert US forces in the region (even if in a smaller scale than before), launch airstrikes agains ISIS and in direct support of freindly Iraqi and Kurdish ground forces against ISIS? There were no US aid drops to trapped Yazidi refugees or airstrikes in support of defending militia?


While there could potentially be more done, the idea that *nothing* has been done is a bit silly.

Also this... This sounds like perceived slights that you have Whemb.

Nah...
How long will President Obama stay silent on genocide? Kirsten Powers


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 Co'tor Shas wrote:

fething Little Sisters of the Poor...

What, taking the stance "you aren't alowed to pick and choice what laws you accept because of your religion" is 'ignoring' Christians? Saying that you can't deny employees coverage just because you don't like what they do with it? Tyring to provide basic coverage for all people is "ignoring" Christians? He hasn't ignored Christians, he just hasn't catered to their every whim. And 9/10 that's what people mean when they complain about a majority getting "ignored".

Need I go on?

Yes, as you haven't provided any evidence of him "ignoring" Christians.

Then you need to read up on why the Sisters were suing the Obama administration.

 whembly wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
What did he ignore christians about again?

O.o

ISIS systematic elimination of Christians and other religious and ethnic minorities in the Middle East. Obama and his administration has said/done anything.

The Egyptian Coptics...

fething Little Sisters of the Poor...

Need I go on?

So Within the United States... which our government has control of... how has he hurt christians, with the passing of any laws or discrimination.

Little Sisters of the Poor and Hobby Lobby are the big ones.

You mean saying that Christians shouldn't get special reinstatement is ignoring them? Saying that Christians can't dictate every little thing about the people who work for them is not "ignoring Christians" .

I would respond but Co'tor Shas has pretty much done the job.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

The Egyptian Coptics...

So you want him to invade the middle east again, it that it?

At the very least, acknowledge that Christians are being slaughters in the name of Islamic extremism.

They made a very public stand NOT to label atrocities like these as 'radical islam', because Obama himself doesn't believe it's helpful in the 'discussion'.

I'm not advocating for new wars (ala Desert Storm, et el).

At the minimum, call it for what it is and direct your foreign policy on the basis of that.

No because we are a Christian nation with Christianity as our nations religion. None of this secular crap or treating all religions as equals

Rosebuddy wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
It appears that Merkel will be the saviour of the free world.
Trump is only a comic figure.

You're well fethed, then.

Well, Im not a Merkel fan since the refugee crisis in 2015 that brought lots of them to Germany.
But Trump is more like a laughingstock.

 Ustrello wrote:
No because we are a Christian nation with Christianity as our nations religion. None of this secular crap or treating all religions as equals

The First Amendment would like to have a word with you about your statement.

 whembly wrote:

Nah...
How long will President Obama stay silent on genocide? Kirsten Powers

So because he hasn't used the word genocide (because it's a word that should be used with great care), despite massive efforts to defeat ISIS and directly adressing the presecution of Christians by ISIS, he's ignoring Christians? How does that work?

Then you need to read up on why the Sisters were suing the Obama administration.

From what I gather, they are complaining that the health insurance company provides contraception, and they don't want their employees to be able to get conraceptions (because forcing our religion on others is the most moral thing to do after all).

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:
What did he ignore christians about again?

O.o

ISIS systematic elimination of Christians and other religious and ethnic minorities in the Middle East. Obama and his administration has said/done anything.

The Egyptian Coptics...

fething Little Sisters of the Poor...

Need I go on?

So Within the United States... which our government has control of... how has he hurt christians, with the passing of any laws or discrimination.

Little Sisters of the Poor and Hobby Lobby are the big ones.

You mean saying that Christians shouldn't get special reinstatement is ignoring them? Saying that Christians can't dictate every little thing about the people who work for them is not "ignoring Christians" .

Special treatment? It's anything but...

Oo

The Sisters felt their government is forcing them to do something that violates their beliefs.

But, hey... if it's for the perceived greater good... feth religions. Right?

 whembly wrote:

At the very least, acknowledge that Christians are being slaughters in the name of Islamic extremism.

I forgot this is Obama's fault. Silly me!

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
No because we are a Christian nation with Christianity as our nations religion. None of this secular crap or treating all religions as equals

The First Amendment would like to have a word with you about your statement.

I am just talking in the same vain that whembly is posting about with all the atrocities that our government is doing to our beloved christian nation. I mean they aren't even allowed to wear symbols of their faith or have their holidays be federal holidays and they are heavily taxed for their beliefs as well, no tax exempt status for them.

Woah woah woah here. Is Whembly saying we should get involved in armed conflicts because a certain religion is being singled out? Sounds very un-american. Also a little chickenhawkish.

Who does that remind you of?

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Nah...
How long will President Obama stay silent on genocide? Kirsten Powers

So because he hasn't used the word genocide (because it's a word that should be used with great care), despite massive efforts to defeat ISIS and directly adressing the presecution of Christians by ISIS, he's ignoring Christians? How does that work?

"massive efforts".

huh.

Then you need to read up on why the Sisters were suing the Obama administration.

From what I gather, they are complaining that the health insurance company provides contraception, and they don't want their employees to be able to get conraceptions (because forcing our religion on others is the most moral thing to do after all).

A) sisters of the poor are CELIBATE Catholic nuns.
B) it's not new news what the Catholic church's stance on contraceptives.
C) No one is forced to become The Little Sisters of the Poor.

 whembly wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

The Egyptian Coptics...

So you want him to invade the middle east again, it that it?

At the very least, acknowledge that Christians are being slaughters in the name of Islamic extremism.

They made a very public stand NOT to label atrocities like these as 'radical islam', because Obama himself doesn't believe it's helpful in the 'discussion'.

I'm not advocating for new wars (ala Desert Storm, et el).

At the minimum, call it for what it is and direct your foreign policy on the basis of that.

Whembly, they have spoken about it, and are currently doing something about it (I'm sure you've heard all about Mosul).

 Dreadwinter wrote:
Woah woah woah here. Is Whembly saying we should get involved in armed conflicts because a certain religion is being singled out? Sounds very un-american. Also a little chickenhawkish.

Who does that remind you of?

I stated no such thing. So please stop lying.

 whembly wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:
Woah woah woah here. Is Whembly saying we should get involved in armed conflicts because a certain religion is being singled out? Sounds very un-american. Also a little chickenhawkish.

Who does that remind you of?

I stated no such thing. So please stop lying.

Theeeeeeeen, what were you implying?

 Vash108 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:
Woah woah woah here. Is Whembly saying we should get involved in armed conflicts because a certain religion is being singled out? Sounds very un-american. Also a little chickenhawkish.

Who does that remind you of?

I stated no such thing. So please stop lying.

Theeeeeeeen, what were you implying?

That Obama is a secretmuslimman who hates Christians and is forcing shariah law onto america

 whembly wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Nah...
How long will President Obama stay silent on genocide? Kirsten Powers

So because he hasn't used the word genocide (because it's a word that should be used with great care), despite massive efforts to defeat ISIS and directly adressing the presecution of Christians by ISIS, he's ignoring Christians? How does that work?

"massive efforts".

huh.

So the near continual air-strikes, drone-strikes, and supporting and coordination of various anti-ISIS groups and counties hasn't happened? ISIS has already lost a quater of it's territory in three months. The only thing he hasn't done is put "boots on the ground", although their are support units.

Then you need to read up on why the Sisters were suing the Obama administration.

From what I gather, they are complaining that the health insurance company provides contraception, and they don't want their employees to be able to get conraceptions (because forcing our religion on others is the most moral thing to do after all).

A) sisters of the poor are CELIBATE Catholic nuns.
B) it's not new news what the Catholic church's stance on contraceptives.
C) No one is forced to become The Little Sisters of the Poor.

If their only employees don't use it, then what's the issue? The mere existence of contraception is surely not an affront to christians.

 Ustrello wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:
Woah woah woah here. Is Whembly saying we should get involved in armed conflicts because a certain religion is being singled out? Sounds very un-american. Also a little chickenhawkish.

Who does that remind you of?

I stated no such thing. So please stop lying.

Theeeeeeeen, what were you implying?

That Obama is a secretmuslimman who hates Christians and is forcing shariah law onto america

This is an inappropriate mischaracterization of what he posted.

There's really no hope for this thread is there. Its become the "late take shots at Whembly" thread.

 whembly wrote:

Then you need to read up on why the Sisters were suing the Obama administration.

From what I gather, they are complaining that the health insurance company provides contraception, and they don't want their employees to be able to get conraceptions (because forcing our religion on others is the most moral thing to do after all).

A) sisters of the poor are CELIBATE Catholic nuns.
B) it's not new news what the Catholic church's stance on contraceptives.
C) No one is forced to become The Little Sisters of the Poor.

A. Birth control pills have other beneficial uses for women apart from contraceptives.
B. That stance shouldn't stop secular laws.
C. But becoming a member of the Little Sisters is enough for a woman to murder her full-term, healthy baby for fear of her pregnancy being discovered.

Wasn't the thing with the Little Sisters that one of the contraceptives was the morning after pill, which they view as abortion?

If their only employees don't use it, then what's the issue? The mere existence of contraception is surely not an affront to christians.

I guess a better question would be, is why are health insurance companies - and by extensions their subscribers - paying for contraception. Its not a medical issue.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 Vash108 wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:
Woah woah woah here. Is Whembly saying we should get involved in armed conflicts because a certain religion is being singled out? Sounds very un-american. Also a little chickenhawkish.

Who does that remind you of?

I stated no such thing. So please stop lying.

Theeeeeeeen, what were you implying?

That Obama is a secretmuslimman who hates Christians and is forcing shariah law onto america

This is an inappropriate mischaracterization of what he posted.

There's really no hope for this thread is there. Its become the "late take shots at Whembly" thread.

When we have asinine comments that "Obama isn't helping Christians" and "Obama's war on Christians" being posted in this thread no that is not a mischaracterization, it is the same xenophobic crap that the republicans have been spewing for years as a way to try and de-legitimize Obama and them trying to tear down separation of church and state

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Then you need to read up on why the Sisters were suing the Obama administration.

From what I gather, they are complaining that the health insurance company provides contraception, and they don't want their employees to be able to get conraceptions (because forcing our religion on others is the most moral thing to do after all).

A) sisters of the poor are CELIBATE Catholic nuns.
B) it's not new news what the Catholic church's stance on contraceptives.
C) No one is forced to become The Little Sisters of the Poor.

If their only employees don't use it, then what's the issue? The mere existence of contraception is surely not an affront to christians.

The HHS mandates that their plans must have (ie, pay for it) contraceptives.

 whembly wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Then you need to read up on why the Sisters were suing the Obama administration.

From what I gather, they are complaining that the health insurance company provides contraception, and they don't want their employees to be able to get conraceptions (because forcing our religion on others is the most moral thing to do after all).

A) sisters of the poor are CELIBATE Catholic nuns.
B) it's not new news what the Catholic church's stance on contraceptives.
C) No one is forced to become The Little Sisters of the Poor.

If their only employees don't use it, then what's the issue? The mere existence of contraception is surely not an affront to christians.

The HHS mandates that their plans must have (ie, pay for it) contraceptives.

Yes, and? The are being made to pay for something they won't use. That's not great, but it's not attack on Christians.

 infinite_array wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Then you need to read up on why the Sisters were suing the Obama administration.

From what I gather, they are complaining that the health insurance company provides contraception, and they don't want their employees to be able to get conraceptions (because forcing our religion on others is the most moral thing to do after all).

A) sisters of the poor are CELIBATE Catholic nuns.
B) it's not new news what the Catholic church's stance on contraceptives.
C) No one is forced to become The Little Sisters of the Poor.

A. Birth control pills have other beneficial uses for women apart from contraceptives.

Of course... there are exceptions. The Church allows it as long as their doctors stipulates the justification the off-label uses of hormonal treatements.

B. That stance shouldn't stop secular laws.

First Amendment would disagree with you.

C. But becoming a member of the Little Sisters is enough for a woman to murder her full-term, healthy baby for fear of her pregnancy being discovered.

And? That's a different issue


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 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

Then you need to read up on why the Sisters were suing the Obama administration.

From what I gather, they are complaining that the health insurance company provides contraception, and they don't want their employees to be able to get conraceptions (because forcing our religion on others is the most moral thing to do after all).

A) sisters of the poor are CELIBATE Catholic nuns.
B) it's not new news what the Catholic church's stance on contraceptives.
C) No one is forced to become The Little Sisters of the Poor.

If their only employees don't use it, then what's the issue? The mere existence of contraception is surely not an affront to christians.

The HHS mandates that their plans must have (ie, pay for it) contraceptives.

Yes, and? The are being made to pay for something they won't use. That's not great, but it's not attack on Christians.

So, you think the sisters should suck it up.

K... our conversation is done.