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Vash108 wrote: Either way we should agree that news casters should be bias and what they are both doing is wrong and should not be tolerates by the public. But giving one a pass because the other one did is also not helpful.
This whole this is now getting out of hand and we the people as a whole are suffering for it that news is now being withheld/blocked.
News has always been biased. We've always been dependent on gatekeepers that decided what was newsworthy and how stories were written and reported. Even if we could somehow enforce having only factual news we'd still have to deal with who decides what stories are covered and what facts are presented.
The only reason why Iran was on that list is because the huge majority of US citizen are completely uneducated on this and believe in stupid, harmful stereotypes. Idiocracy at its finest.
That whole "death to America" thing and launching missiles against treaties might have a little something to do with it too.
Of course, US public universities should be exclusively for US citizens.
We would be much better off as a country and the ME would be better off too if we worked to normalize relations with Iran and took a more hardline stance against KSA. It's not 1980 anymore Frazz.
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Frazzled wrote: That whole "death to America" thing and launching missiles against treaties might have a little something to do with it too.
Tell me more about it, Frazzled. Explain how this had to do with it. Please, go ahead. I sincerely doubt you have any idea what you are talking about, but I will definitely give you the benefit of the doubt, so please, impress me and prove me wrong.
Frazzled wrote: Of course, US public universities should be exclusively for US citizens.
That's a great idea if you believe that US citizens are more intelligent than foreigners.
But what you will actually get is much better scientists in European and Asian universities than in US universities, with this policy.
Go ahead, voluntarily cut yourself from immigration that actually benefits your country.
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We would be much better off as a country and the ME would be better off too if we worked to normalize relations with Iran and took a more hardline stance against KSA. It's not 1980 anymore Frazz.
You might tell them that.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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I don't see such a problem with the whole 'wall issue'. The fact is it was already being built in certain places by previous administrations. It makes sense to link it up, 1) to justify money spent, 2)as a moral boost, 3) employment and prosperity of building contractors, 4) to serve as a border protection service. Of course you could argue well people could climb over or dig under it, but it would be a better use of public money than night time patrols over large areas that have a hit and miss chance of catching anyone. It will if anything make it harder for the illegal drug trade to ruin peoples lives, and to a lesser extent those dubious characters that won't get a visa. So I think the wall is a good thing.
As for Mexico paying for it, It will cost a lot of money and anyway of getting some is understandable. I imagine this is a jibe at the Ford company wanting to build the Focus cheaper cross border and then re-import it. Personally I have a problem with companies doing this from any nation. They should have a moral obligation to stay where they are based, as over time little by little the draw of build cheaper overseas and re-import takes hold. What you are left with is designed in X home country but manufactured elsewhere.
It's billions paid by US poor&middle class. This will result in less spending which in turn will result less works. It archieves nothing but boost Trump's ego. Which is his goal. He doesn't care about good of US. He cares his ego and US can go to hell.
And Mexico won't be paying. That's the point. Bill will be paid by US citizens. Specifically poor&middle class. While accomplishing nothing but help Trump's ego.
And FYI wall doesn't help with jobs moving elsewhere. In fact effect for work in US will be negative since spending goes down due to poor&middle class in US having less money to spend which will result layovers which hurts poor&middle class more.
Oh and the patrols? They will stay too so no help there either. Wall without patrols is useless. Wall without patrols worked in china wall because china wall was built to stop herds. That's not applicable here...
If I was in control, the wall would be more than just a wall it would be generating money for the US economy. Firstly it should be architecturally interesting and a viable tourist destination! You could have the official wall of barbed fences in front and then a lovely tourist wall slightly behind. A sort of Great Wall of America where by tourists could walk along it and there could be school visits to see your states stretch. As for environmental concerns there could be small wildlife hatches (obviously not big enough for human use) so that animals could pass through. All that capital could be regenerated, however I don't see the Trump administration making money out of it. Perhaps there could be a toll station built into the border control gates? So that anyone passing back through paid a set amount.
Lets see there are many walls designed to keep those unwanted at bay and now generate for local economies:
-Great wall of china - tourist destination
-Hadrians wall - tourist destination
-berlin wall - tourist destination
-wall of Babylon - tourist destination
-walls of Troy - tourist destination
-Great wall of Trump - ?
Wouldn't be too hard to imagine, I settle my case.
Frazzled wrote: Of course, US public universities should be exclusively for US citizens.
That's a great idea if you believe that US citizens are more intelligent than foreigners.
But what you will actually get is much better scientists in European and Asian universities than in US universities, with this policy.
Go ahead, voluntarily cut yourself from immigration that actually benefits your country.
I don't really agree with Frazzled on this, but it needs to be said that he didn't say they should be excluded from private universities, and I believe they are the overwhelming majority of 4 year universities in the US. I may be wrong on the "majority" thing, but the initial statement stands.
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Vankraken wrote: All the American cable news stations are guilty of pushing certain narratives/agendas but Fox News has been pushing a far right bias for a long time and is the most deliberate at being bias of the big three (CNN, MSNBC, Fox News). That being said MSNBC has really upped their bias ga,e in the last few years while CNN's political leaning is often outweighed by their general ineptitude at journalism or programming. Feels like 9/11 was the Slaaneshi like birth of instant gratification news media with the booming headlines and 24/7 "Breaking News".
Lets be real. CNN has been "all Trump hate all the time" since Trump was nominated.
TBF, most of America has been "all Trump hate all the time"...
Vankraken wrote: All the American cable news stations are guilty of pushing certain narratives/agendas but Fox News has been pushing a far right bias for a long time and is the most deliberate at being bias of the big three (CNN, MSNBC, Fox News). That being said MSNBC has really upped their bias ga,e in the last few years while CNN's political leaning is often outweighed by their general ineptitude at journalism or programming. Feels like 9/11 was the Slaaneshi like birth of instant gratification news media with the booming headlines and 24/7 "Breaking News".
Didn't CNN have reporters actually colluding with the Clinton campaign? Wouldn't that indicate a hell of a bias?
Did it? I remember a lot of noise from fringe sites about collusion but I didn't see anything of substance.
Donna Brazile isn't a journalist she was just a paid contributor/analyst but she did collude with Hillary's campaign by sending them debate questions in advance.
Unacceptable behavior, to be sure, but not quite the network collusion implied though.
Not a big deal? This is way worse than biased reporting. I find it hard to think of a better way for a News agency to influence an election.
And it was more than Brazile:
From CNN: Brianna Keilar, Gloria Borger, John Berman, and Kate Bolduan.
...
The nascent Clinton campaign invited Jeff Zucker and Phil Griffin, the presidents of CNN and MSNBC, respectively. Zucker declined while Griffin RSVPed “yes.” Wikileaks’ release of emails from the Democratic National Committee showed then-DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz scheduled or attempted to schedule private meetings with both executives.
Rand Paul’s presidential campaign slammed CNN on Wednesday after emails were released that the campaign claimed showed a reporter “colluding” with a Hillary Clinton aide to “attack” the Kentucky senator.
The CNN global affairs correspondent, Elise Labott, already has been suspended over a separate incident – a tweet last week criticizing a House bill limiting Syrian refugees. But her communications with then-Clinton State Department official Philippe Reines turned up Tuesday in a batch of emails obtained and published by Gawker.
In those January 2013 emails, Reines appears to give Labott suggestions for tweets. Phil Kerpen, president of the conservative American Commitment, first flagged the exchange about Paul.
Most of that (with the exception of the allegation of passing the Colton team the debate questions.) seems to be normal journalist/politician relationship. Politicians court news outlets for posative editorial coverage. As long as journalists declare it I don't see any issue, and I can't see any alligation that they didn't. Editorial bias is well known and accepted. It is not the same as "fake news" where people were deliberately publishing lies to try and influence opinion.
Also, lol, Breightbart and HillaryforPrison as sources.
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The only reason why Iran was on that list is because the huge majority of US citizen are completely uneducated on this and believe in stupid, harmful stereotypes. Idiocracy at its finest.
That whole "death to America" thing and launching missiles against treaties might have a little something to do with it too.
the whole "death to america" thing is somewhat misconstrued, often intentionally so. The "death to" thing is a common colloquialism used to protest all sorts of things in Farsi, not meant to be taken directly literally (e.g. Death to potatoes was a mantra of protests after suspected bribing of the poor with potatoes for votes).
Of course, US public universities should be exclusively for US citizens.
While I can empathize with this view and think there's been too much done to bring in foreign students as a revenue source at the cost of natives (though this also extends to in state vs out of state students even amongst citizens), public universities worldwide take students from other nations as a matter course to further the exchange of ideas and foster academic cooperation between institutions and share specialized knowledge, and thats a good thing.
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Frazzled wrote: Of course, US public universities should be exclusively for US citizens.
That's a great idea if you believe that US citizens are more intelligent than foreigners.
But what you will actually get is much better scientists in European and Asian universities than in US universities, with this policy.
Go ahead, voluntarily cut yourself from immigration that actually benefits your country.
I don't really agree with Frazzled on this, but it needs to be said that he didn't say they should be excluded from private universities, and I believe they are the overwhelming majority of 4 year universities in the US. I may be wrong on the "majority" thing, but the initial statement stands.
Easiest way to generate money is more taxes. Am I correct in saying non-US students have to pay up front? In any case if they are wealthy enough to travel overseas and pay tuition fees that are most likely more expensive than in their home country, then they can afford a special tax for the privilege. Same thing could be applied to numerate circumstances like tax on non-US citizens giving birth in US hospitals, which should be covered by their travel insurance etc etc. If Trump follows hardline Republican policies he will ease tax on corporations and increase taxes on normal people, but if he thinks outside the box and creates new taxes he can generate that revenue without causing mass hysteria. Then again he might not change anything of the such. Time will tell...
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Frazzled wrote: That whole "death to America" thing and launching missiles against treaties might have a little something to do with it too.
Tell me more about it, Frazzled. Explain how this had to do with it. Please, go ahead. I sincerely doubt you have any idea what you are talking about, but I will definitely give you the benefit of the doubt, so please, impress me and prove me wrong.
What part of "death to America" is...difficult for you?
Frazzled wrote: Of course, US public universities should be exclusively for US citizens.
That's a great idea if you believe that US citizens are more intelligent than foreigners.
Your argument has material;ly nothing to do with what I said. Public universities are funded by taxpayers. Therefore taxpayers should be the ones attending. Again this is not a difficult concept.
But what you will actually get is much better scientists in European and Asian universities than in US universities, with this policy.
Go ahead, voluntarily cut yourself from immigration that actually benefits your country.
Yes we will miss the intellectual powerhouse that is Yemen.
Frazzled wrote: Of course, US public universities should be exclusively for US citizens.
That's a great idea if you believe that US citizens are more intelligent than foreigners.
But what you will actually get is much better scientists in European and Asian universities than in US universities, with this policy.
Go ahead, voluntarily cut yourself from immigration that actually benefits your country.
I don't really agree with Frazzled on this, but it needs to be said that he didn't say they should be excluded from private universities, and I believe they are the overwhelming majority of 4 year universities in the US. I may be wrong on the "majority" thing, but the initial statement stands.
Easiest way to generate money is more taxes. Am I correct in saying non-US students have to pay up front? In any case if they are wealthy enough to travel overseas and pay tuition fees that are most likely more expensive than in their home country, then they can afford a special tax for the privilege. Same thing could be applied to numerate circumstances like tax on non-US citizens giving birth in US hospitals, which should be covered by their travel insurance etc etc. If Trump follows hardline Republican policies he will ease tax on corporations and increase taxes on normal people, but if he thinks outside the box and creates new taxes he can generate that revenue without causing mass hysteria. Then again he might not change anything of the such. Time will tell...
Whether they pay up front or not, they still take the place of a US citizen.
As noted, private unversties can do what they want. Public US universities, like any public university, is there to educate its own citizenry.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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Sentinel1 the more you post the more I'm convnced you're either a troll or a pro-trumper who was chased out of here before and thinks a british flag by your name will make you look more legitimate.
The wall is absolutely fething ridiculous. Provided Trump doesn't decide to use those nuclear weapons he doesn't understand collecting dust, my nephews grand kids will be paying for that eye sore to his ego.
And it won't stop a damn thing. Immigration reform, tighter control of visas, you know stuff like that would cut down on illegals. Increased pay for migrants to encourage citizens to pick fruit, a destygmatization of those jobs so people don't turn their nose up at them and encourage illegal labor, would help too.
It's not going to be a tourist attraction, the great wall of china is because of time and the engineering marvel. This is going to be slapped together by the lowest bidder.
lonestarr777 wrote: Sentinel1 the more you post the more I'm convnced you're either a troll or a pro-trumper who was chased out of here before and thinks a british flag by your name will make you look more legitimate.
The wall is absolutely fething ridiculous. Provided Trump doesn't decide to use those nuclear weapons he doesn't understand collecting dust, my nephews grand kids will be paying for that eye sore to his ego.
And it won't stop a damn thing. Immigration reform, tighter control of visas, you know stuff like that would cut down on illegals. Increased pay for migrants to encourage citizens to pick fruit, a destygmatization of those jobs so people don't turn their nose up at them and encourage illegal labor, would help too.
It's not going to be a tourist attraction, the great wall of china is because of time and the engineering marvel. This is going to be slapped together by the lowest bidder.
Seriously, you come across as bonkers.
I'm impressed, you call another poster a troll, and then proceed to insult him.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Frazzled wrote: That whole "death to America" thing and launching missiles against treaties might have a little something to do with it too.
Tell me more about it, Frazzled. Explain how this had to do with it. Please, go ahead. I sincerely doubt you have any idea what you are talking about, but I will definitely give you the benefit of the doubt, so please, impress me and prove me wrong.
What part of "death to America" is...difficult for you?
Frazzled wrote: Of course, US public universities should be exclusively for US citizens.
That's a great idea if you believe that US citizens are more intelligent than foreigners.
Your argument has material;ly nothing to do with what I said. Public universities are funded by taxpayers. Therefore taxpayers should be the ones attending. Again this is not a difficult concept.
But what you will actually get is much better scientists in European and Asian universities than in US universities, with this policy.
Go ahead, voluntarily cut yourself from immigration that actually benefits your country.
Yes we will miss the intellectual powerhouse that is Yemen.
Frazzled wrote: Of course, US public universities should be exclusively for US citizens.
That's a great idea if you believe that US citizens are more intelligent than foreigners.
But what you will actually get is much better scientists in European and Asian universities than in US universities, with this policy.
Go ahead, voluntarily cut yourself from immigration that actually benefits your country.
I don't really agree with Frazzled on this, but it needs to be said that he didn't say they should be excluded from private universities, and I believe they are the overwhelming majority of 4 year universities in the US. I may be wrong on the "majority" thing, but the initial statement stands.
Easiest way to generate money is more taxes. Am I correct in saying non-US students have to pay up front? In any case if they are wealthy enough to travel overseas and pay tuition fees that are most likely more expensive than in their home country, then they can afford a special tax for the privilege. Same thing could be applied to numerate circumstances like tax on non-US citizens giving birth in US hospitals, which should be covered by their travel insurance etc etc. If Trump follows hardline Republican policies he will ease tax on corporations and increase taxes on normal people, but if he thinks outside the box and creates new taxes he can generate that revenue without causing mass hysteria. Then again he might not change anything of the such. Time will tell...
Whether they pay up front or not, they still take the place of a US citizen.
As noted, private unversties can do what they want. Public US universities, like any public university, is there to educate its own citizenry.
Exactly student tariff should put some off, but I think every country should put their students first and then have a first come first serve policy on remainders for foreign nationals. Perhaps it would be a good incentive to ban students from turbulent middle eastern and African countries? The reason being said students might not want to go back and thus would be asset stripping their country of their talent. If they studied at home, they would be more likely to take an interest in building on their countries foundations, rather than letting it slip.
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-Great wall of china - tourist destination
-Hadrians wall - tourist destination
-berlin wall - tourist destination
-wall of Babylon - tourist destination
-walls of Troy - tourist destination
-Great wall of Trump - ?
Wouldn't be too hard to imagine, I settle my case.
But what significance or historical lesson would be given for students visiting the Great Wall of Trump? "Here's a pretty dull looking wall that we built at great expense for no reason"? "here's a wall we built to keep illegal immigrants out, but it didn't work"? "Here's what happens when you vote for an ignorant populist"?
All of the walls above have some historical significance, and were there for some valid reason. It's also worth noting that none of the above walls actually worked at keeping people out (I don't know about the walls of Babylon, but the rest all failed in their primary function). Given that none of those walls worked, which is part of the history of them, why do you expect the Trump wall to do any better?
lonestarr777 wrote: Sentinel1 the more you post the more I'm convnced you're either a troll or a pro-trumper who was chased out of here before and thinks a british flag by your name will make you look more legitimate.
The wall is absolutely fething ridiculous. Provided Trump doesn't decide to use those nuclear weapons he doesn't understand collecting dust, my nephews grand kids will be paying for that eye sore to his ego.
And it won't stop a damn thing. Immigration reform, tighter control of visas, you know stuff like that would cut down on illegals. Increased pay for migrants to encourage citizens to pick fruit, a destygmatization of those jobs so people don't turn their nose up at them and encourage illegal labor, would help too.
It's not going to be a tourist attraction, the great wall of china is because of time and the engineering marvel. This is going to be slapped together by the lowest bidder.
Seriously, you come across as bonkers.
What, you mean "the Great wall of Trump" would not finance itself with the massive tourist revenue it'd inevitably rake in if Sentinel1 were put in charge of wall-tourism?
It's perhaps worth noting that walls generally don't become tourist destinations until after they've been abandoned. I don't see much of a tourist industry built around the contemporary Israel/Palestine wall or the North/South Korea DMZ and there weren't around the Berlin wall either during the times people were shot dead for trying to get across it.
I could possibly see the dilapidated ruins of "Trumps Folly" being a popular tourist destination some centuries into the future though, if things go real bad.
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I don't see such a problem with the whole 'wall issue'. The fact is it was already being built in certain places by previous administrations. It makes sense to link it up, 1) to justify money spent, 2)as a moral boost, 3) employment and prosperity of building contractors, 4) to serve as a border protection service. Of course you could argue well people could climb over or dig under it, but it would be a better use of public money than night time patrols over large areas that have a hit and miss chance of catching anyone. It will if anything make it harder for the illegal drug trade to ruin peoples lives, and to a lesser extent those dubious characters that won't get a visa. So I think the wall is a good thing.
As for Mexico paying for it, It will cost a lot of money and anyway of getting some is understandable. I imagine this is a jibe at the Ford company wanting to build the Focus cheaper cross border and then re-import it. Personally I have a problem with companies doing this from any nation. They should have a moral obligation to stay where they are based, as over time little by little the draw of build cheaper overseas and re-import takes hold. What you are left with is designed in X home country but manufactured elsewhere.
It's billions paid by US poor&middle class. This will result in less spending which in turn will result less works. It archieves nothing but boost Trump's ego. Which is his goal. He doesn't care about good of US. He cares his ego and US can go to hell.
And Mexico won't be paying. That's the point. Bill will be paid by US citizens. Specifically poor&middle class. While accomplishing nothing but help Trump's ego.
And FYI wall doesn't help with jobs moving elsewhere. In fact effect for work in US will be negative since spending goes down due to poor&middle class in US having less money to spend which will result layovers which hurts poor&middle class more.
Oh and the patrols? They will stay too so no help there either. Wall without patrols is useless. Wall without patrols worked in china wall because china wall was built to stop herds. That's not applicable here...
If I was in control, the wall would be more than just a wall it would be generating money for the US economy. Firstly it should be architecturally interesting and a viable tourist destination! You could have the official wall of barbed fences in front and then a lovely tourist wall slightly behind. A sort of Great Wall of America where by tourists could walk along it and there could be school visits to see your states stretch. As for environmental concerns there could be small wildlife hatches (obviously not big enough for human use) so that animals could pass through. All that capital could be regenerated, however I don't see the Trump administration making money out of it. Perhaps there could be a toll station built into the border control gates? So that anyone passing back through paid a set amount.
Lets see there are many walls designed to keep those unwanted at bay and now generate for local economies:
-Great wall of china - tourist destination
-Hadrians wall - tourist destination
-berlin wall - tourist destination
-wall of Babylon - tourist destination
-walls of Troy - tourist destination
-Great wall of Trump - ?
Wouldn't be too hard to imagine, I settle my case.
Wildlife hatches...too small for people to use?
Tourist destinations so you can come see the expanse of barbed wire and giant 'Trump Wall' sign?
You've got to be joking. Who's going to come see this thing? Mexicans, so they can laugh about how they didn't pay for it? The hard-core Trump crowd already spent their savings on #MAGA gear made in China.
-Great wall of china - tourist destination -Hadrians wall - tourist destination -berlin wall - tourist destination -wall of Babylon - tourist destination -walls of Troy - tourist destination -Great wall of Trump - ?
Wouldn't be too hard to imagine, I settle my case.
But what significance or historical lesson would be given for students visiting the Great Wall of Trump? "Here's a pretty dull looking wall that we built at great expense for no reason"? "here's a wall we built to keep illegal immigrants out, but it didn't work"? "Here's what happens when you vote for an ignorant populist"?
All of the walls above have some historical significance, and were there for some valid reason. It's also worth noting that none of the above walls actually worked at keeping people out (I don't know about the walls of Babylon, but the rest all failed in their primary function). Given that none of those walls worked, which is part of the history of them, why do you expect the Trump wall to do any better?
Easy. The Great Wall of Trump would be the gaudiest public work in human history...
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-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
-Great wall of china - tourist destination
-Hadrians wall - tourist destination
-berlin wall - tourist destination
-wall of Babylon - tourist destination
-walls of Troy - tourist destination
-Great wall of Trump - ?
None of them worked either.
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All of the walls above have some historical significance, and were there for some valid reason. It's also worth noting that none of the above walls actually worked at keeping people out (I don't know about the walls of Babylon, but the rest all failed in their primary function). Given that none of those walls worked, which is part of the history of them, why do you expect the Trump wall to do any better?
Babylon's walls worked until Cyrus the Great lessened the flow of the Euphrates and marched his troops through the watergates. So, again, a massive fail.
Hey, maybe Trump should do a tour of all the famous walls of the world. Either he'll get the hint that none of them worked. And if he doesn't, someone could give his fat ass a swift kick off the side of the tallest one. (Is it the Great Wall of China? It seems like it)
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I don't see such a problem with the whole 'wall issue'. The fact is it was already being built in certain places by previous administrations. It makes sense to link it up, 1) to justify money spent, 2)as a moral boost, 3) employment and prosperity of building contractors, 4) to serve as a border protection service. Of course you could argue well people could climb over or dig under it, but it would be a better use of public money than night time patrols over large areas that have a hit and miss chance of catching anyone. It will if anything make it harder for the illegal drug trade to ruin peoples lives, and to a lesser extent those dubious characters that won't get a visa. So I think the wall is a good thing.
As for Mexico paying for it, It will cost a lot of money and anyway of getting some is understandable. I imagine this is a jibe at the Ford company wanting to build the Focus cheaper cross border and then re-import it. Personally I have a problem with companies doing this from any nation. They should have a moral obligation to stay where they are based, as over time little by little the draw of build cheaper overseas and re-import takes hold. What you are left with is designed in X home country but manufactured elsewhere.
It's billions paid by US poor&middle class. This will result in less spending which in turn will result less works. It archieves nothing but boost Trump's ego. Which is his goal. He doesn't care about good of US. He cares his ego and US can go to hell.
And Mexico won't be paying. That's the point. Bill will be paid by US citizens. Specifically poor&middle class. While accomplishing nothing but help Trump's ego.
And FYI wall doesn't help with jobs moving elsewhere. In fact effect for work in US will be negative since spending goes down due to poor&middle class in US having less money to spend which will result layovers which hurts poor&middle class more.
Oh and the patrols? They will stay too so no help there either. Wall without patrols is useless. Wall without patrols worked in china wall because china wall was built to stop herds. That's not applicable here...
If I was in control, the wall would be more than just a wall it would be generating money for the US economy. Firstly it should be architecturally interesting and a viable tourist destination! You could have the official wall of barbed fences in front and then a lovely tourist wall slightly behind. A sort of Great Wall of America where by tourists could walk along it and there could be school visits to see your states stretch. As for environmental concerns there could be small wildlife hatches (obviously not big enough for human use) so that animals could pass through. All that capital could be regenerated, however I don't see the Trump administration making money out of it. Perhaps there could be a toll station built into the border control gates? So that anyone passing back through paid a set amount.
Lets see there are many walls designed to keep those unwanted at bay and now generate for local economies:
-Great wall of china - tourist destination
-Hadrians wall - tourist destination
-berlin wall - tourist destination
-wall of Babylon - tourist destination
-walls of Troy - tourist destination
-Great wall of Trump - ?
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All those wall, especially the Great Wall, destroyed the ecosystems, tons of species went extinct in china for that wall. on both sides is two disticnt ecosystems.
Also, how will the wall help with people being smuggled in? or people coming here on Visas and just staying past it?
How will it help with immgrants to florida?
Fraz, poor taste as it may be, the guys been grinding my gears. Probably similar to how you feel when you see me post.
It's been proven, time and again, the wall is going to be a failure. Hell I doubt it will even get half finished. The fact all this money is going to be wasted on this is very sore point ontop of all the other horrible gak in store for us. No amount of sugar coating and what ifs will make this Ozymandias folly anything more than a waste of material.
Vash108 wrote: I guess we will get to see how this guys views skew his ability to interpret the law, if at all. But judging from previous cases I am going to say so.
I'm not sure if protesting Gorusch's seat is such a great idea, as much as I find the idea of stealing Garland's seat and installing another chicken-bones and goat-intestines "originalist" for the next three decades disgusting. It may be better to wait and, if another Justice retires or passes away in Trump's 4th year (or Pence's last year), then deploy the McConnell Rule to prevent the seat from being filled.
-Great wall of china - tourist destination
-Hadrians wall - tourist destination
-berlin wall - tourist destination
-wall of Babylon - tourist destination
-walls of Troy - tourist destination
-Great wall of Trump - ?
Wouldn't be too hard to imagine, I settle my case.
But what significance or historical lesson would be given for students visiting the Great Wall of Trump? "Here's a pretty dull looking wall that we built at great expense for no reason"? "here's a wall we built to keep illegal immigrants out, but it didn't work"? "Here's what happens when you vote for an ignorant populist"?
All of the walls above have some historical significance, and were there for some valid reason. It's also worth noting that none of the above walls actually worked at keeping people out (I don't know about the walls of Babylon, but the rest all failed in their primary function). Given that none of those walls worked, which is part of the history of them, why do you expect the Trump wall to do any better?
Easy. The Great Wall of Trump would be the gaudiest public work in human history...
Frazzled gets the idea! Look I am generally a very creative person, and I think for the US's future creative thinking is needed and more of a national pride in itself. More progress can be done working to make things better than blocking things on the drawing board. If everyone bar the few on this discussion were put in charge little if anything would change, apart from a different set of people bickering and moaning. I am trying to liven this conversation up rather than laying on the hate, a part from droning on has anyone got any good suggestions?
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kronk wrote: Hey honey! Let's go to BFE West Texas where it's 100F in the shade, nothing to do but feth or meth, and stare at an ugly wall!
Hey now. Under the guidance of wall-tourism administrator Sentinel1 the wall wouldn't be ugly, but " architecturally interesting and a viable tourist destination! You could have the official wall of barbed fences in front and then a lovely tourist wall slightly behind."
I guess building double walls (some of which are " architecturally interesting") would make the project even more expensive, but I suppose the tourism will have to pull in even more than 60 billion$. (although, Mexico is paying anyway right?)
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