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 infinite_array wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Anybody catch Trump's speech earlier?

Holy horsegak! It was awful!

It was the national prayer day breakfast speech or something. Trump talked as though he were in a nightclub.

He called his defence secretary mad dog, boasted about ranting at the Australian Prime Minister, and called for respect for religions!

In all my years of listening to Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, GW Bush, Obama etc etc

I have NEVER heard a President give a keynote speech like that. Everybody else took the matter seriously, even if you 100% disagreed with them, or thought it was boring.

But Trump? I have never seen the office of POTUS handled like this before...

God help America.

We knew what kind of speeches we were going to get when Trump went rabid and was booed at the Alfred E Smith Dinner. Look at the horrific mess that was the Black History Month breakfast speech.

I wonder if he'll speak at the Correspondents Dinner? If so, I can only imagine we'll go from Obama's jokes to Trump ranting about his win and berating the media.

Trump's bashing of Schwarzenegger and the Apprentice's ratings during that speech was pathetic.

Regarding the Correspondents Dinner who do you think would possibly volunteer to MC that event? Jeff Foxworthy? Larry the Cable Guy?

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

Regarding the Correspondents Dinner who do you think would possibly volunteer to MC that event? Jeff Foxworthy? Larry the Cable Guy?

My money's on Steven Crowder, who was so unfunny/uninteresting that Fox kicked him off despite trying to use him a face for young conservatives.

What America needs at the minute is more Melania Trump for speeches and occasions to calm down this Lefty vs Right aggression. Donald is his own worst enemy, I give him credit for his decisive actions. He is pumping out more orders than any recent president, problem being its inflating tensions of controversy. I imagine it is also because he wants to make a big impression within 100 days of office. Still he is not as bad and unpopular as President Hoover, where towns hung mannequins of him with slogans of 'hang hoover', there isn't yet a Hooverville on the White House lawn, and ex soldiers haven't tried to seize control. As I have said many times before give him time.

Is it bad that when I read Hooverville, my brain said 'Hooterville'?

Who knows... the Miss Universe Pagent could be held at the WH.

 Sentinel1 wrote:
What America needs at the minute is more Melania Trump for speeches

Why? She could always borrow another from Michelle I suppose.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:
@Bob the Inquisitor: UC Berkeley certainly has asserted that those protestors came from Oakland. I'd suggest that you take that with a grain of salt...UC Berkeley has a huge PR issue to deal with because of the riots.

As it stands, I take "they were from Oakland" as something asserted rather than something proved. Most of them we masked, so I'm not sure how they were ID'd as Oakland residents.

FWIW, I am open to the concept, but I won't take it at face value since UC Berkeley has a vested interest in promoting their school as a safe environment for parents to send their kids.

I went to Berkeley and I have lived in Oakland. There might be a few hardcore students in the populace, but I ran with the student government crowd and quite a few protestors, and the vast majority were naive and self-involved but violent they were not. They wanted the romance of standing against oppression, not actual danger and hardship. When I lived in Oakland, and even in San Francisco, I saw a surprising amount of casual violence. It was just a thing that happens every day in some places, often ten to twenty minutes' walk from the campus. Sometimes Oakland high school students and men of leisure were even bussed in to supplement the numbers on a demonstration, which always turned out to be a huge mistake. Tthe guys from Oakland had as much contempt for the students as they did for whatever they were supposed to be protesting.

Just out of curiosity, how long ago did you attend UC Berkeley?


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 Easy E wrote:
It is like having a Jr. high Jock leading our nation.

Minnesota voted in Jesse ventura for one term. Realized that non-professional politicians suck, and has never flirted with that sort of thing since.

I hope the nation learns a similar lesson.

Professional politicians haven't exactly been doing a bang up job on the federal level, to be fair. The main problems being IME:

-war after war after war
-inadequate protection of US labor
-prioritizing the well being of corporations and the very wealthy over the well being of the average citizen

These are some of the reasons Bernie was popular on the left, and Trump destroyed the GOP establishment and won the general election.

Professional wrestlers and reality TV hustlers might not be the answer, but I don't know if more of the same is either.

I hope a new center emerges from all this turmoil.

 Sentinel1 wrote:
What America needs at the minute is more Melania Trump for speeches and occasions to calm down this Lefty vs Right aggression. Donald is his own worst enemy, I give him credit for his decisive actions. He is pumping out more orders than any recent president, problem being its inflating tensions of controversy. I imagine it is also because he wants to make a big impression within 100 days of office. Still he is not as bad and unpopular as President Hoover, where towns hung mannequins of him with slogans of 'hang hoover', there isn't yet a Hooverville on the White House lawn, and ex soldiers haven't tried to seize control. As I have said many times before give him time.

He's had internal revolts in the justice, state and parks departments, managed to get into multiple international spats, shown zero ability to manage and communicate his orders through the people that need to execute them, and gotten into personal twitter wars, his people have coined the term "Alternative Facts" after getting pissy over inauguration crowd woes, and thats his first couple weeks in office, on top of a lifetime record of being a scumbag.

How long are people supposed to wait until he magically becomes a different person? Like...seriously?

In positive news, the BLM land sell-off is dead for now.

Complete with pandering (although his dog is adorable)!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BP_zOxEF0-Q/?taken-by=jasoninthehouse


I really do have to credit hunters, fishers, ect here though. Someone who isn't involved may think conservationists and them would be at odds, but in reality they are some of our closest allies in the fight to keep our lands free and public for all. It's always good to see liberal-leaning and conservative-leaning groups working together for the common good.

Jasper76, back in the late 90's and early 2000's. I lived in the Bay Are for six years, and was on campus during 9/11. I could tell some stories of the toxic radical left from that day for sure, but also some more heartwarming ones. In a leftist bastion like Berkeley, you get to see that liberals are not one solid block but a spectrum of factions, often competing with and sabotaging each other. It's true what they say about the vicious (though nonviolent) infighting when the stakes are so low.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Sentinel1 wrote:
What America needs at the minute is more Melania Trump for speeches and occasions to calm down this Lefty vs Right aggression. Donald is his own worst enemy, I give him credit for his decisive actions. He is pumping out more orders than any recent president, problem being its inflating tensions of controversy. I imagine it is also because he wants to make a big impression within 100 days of office. Still he is not as bad and unpopular as President Hoover, where towns hung mannequins of him with slogans of 'hang hoover', there isn't yet a Hooverville on the White House lawn, and ex soldiers haven't tried to seize control. As I have said many times before give him time.

He's had internal revolts in the justice, state and parks departments, managed to get into multiple international spats, shown zero ability to manage and communicate his orders through the people that need to execute them, and gotten into personal twitter wars, his people have coined the term "Alternative Facts" after getting pissy over inauguration crowd woes, and thats his first couple weeks in office, on top of a lifetime record of being a scumbag.

How long are people supposed to wait until he magically becomes a different person? Like...seriously?

Trump overturnsObama EO sanctions on Mother Russia.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/2017/02/02/us-withdraws-economic-sanctions-on-russia-n2280361

 Frazzled wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Sentinel1 wrote:
What America needs at the minute is more Melania Trump for speeches and occasions to calm down this Lefty vs Right aggression. Donald is his own worst enemy, I give him credit for his decisive actions. He is pumping out more orders than any recent president, problem being its inflating tensions of controversy. I imagine it is also because he wants to make a big impression within 100 days of office. Still he is not as bad and unpopular as President Hoover, where towns hung mannequins of him with slogans of 'hang hoover', there isn't yet a Hooverville on the White House lawn, and ex soldiers haven't tried to seize control. As I have said many times before give him time.

He's had internal revolts in the justice, state and parks departments, managed to get into multiple international spats, shown zero ability to manage and communicate his orders through the people that need to execute them, and gotten into personal twitter wars, his people have coined the term "Alternative Facts" after getting pissy over inauguration crowd woes, and thats his first couple weeks in office, on top of a lifetime record of being a scumbag.

How long are people supposed to wait until he magically becomes a different person? Like...seriously?

Trump overturnsObama EO sanctions on Mother Russia.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/2017/02/02/us-withdraws-economic-sanctions-on-russia-n2280361

Raise you hand if that surprises you...

<looks around>

No?

K... now that's cleared... isn't Congress supposed to be involved? Or, level-ing sanctions is only the domain of the Executive Branch?

Turns out the deplorables were calling him Emperor Trump un-ironically.

Interesting how the movement that fetishised politics with terms like "cuck" need such a big strong daddy bear to lead them.

So... about that 'angry orangtang' call to Turnbull...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4182724/Donald-Trump-slams-Malcolm-Turnbull-worst-call-ever.html

Senior US officials told the Washington Post that Donald Trump abruptly hung up on Mr Turnbull after just 25 minutes – when the pair were meant to speak for an hour.

But an indignant Mr Turnbull returned serve, telling 2GB’s Ben Fordham: ‘As far as the call is concerned, I’m very disappointed, the report the president hung up is not correct, the call ended courteously.’

...'senior US officials'???

I bet money it's Bannon, so that it's a "saving face" act in the event the Trump accepting the AU refugees.

Oh jesus...he lifted EO's on cyber security applications to Russia?

...

Just...

...


Also, in case anyone missed it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38837730

Ukraine is flaring up again.

So...about those emails again?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Jasper76, back in the late 90's and early 2000's. I lived in the Bay Are for six years, and was on campus during 9/11. I could tell some stories of the toxic radical left from that day for sure, but also some more heartwarming ones. In a leftist bastion like Berkeley, you get to see that liberals are not one solid block but a spectrum of factions, often competing with and sabotaging each other. It's true what they say about the vicious (though nonviolent) infighting when the stakes are so low.

It may be possible that the student culture has changed. I graduated from a small liberal arts school in 1999. I still live in the general area. When I visit, the buildings look the same with a few new editions. But the student culture has definitely shifted to be much more progressive and activist than when I attended. And that was before the whole Trump thing.

Now, we have a new and generally speaking different generation in school, and let's face it, this country has never had a Donald Trump before. Now that the left has lost control of government, the stakes really are high, so I'd think it would be natural that people who may have before been on the fence as to what constitutes acceptable activism might tip over to violence because they feel they are facing an existential threat with no effective recourse.

Just a thought. Never been to UC Berkeley. I've only even been to California once in my life, and that was when I was like 7 or 8 years old, so I'm not pretending to any expertise on the culture out there.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Sentinel1 wrote:
What America needs at the minute is more Melania Trump for speeches and occasions to calm down this Lefty vs Right aggression. Donald is his own worst enemy, I give him credit for his decisive actions. He is pumping out more orders than any recent president, problem being its inflating tensions of controversy. I imagine it is also because he wants to make a big impression within 100 days of office. Still he is not as bad and unpopular as President Hoover, where towns hung mannequins of him with slogans of 'hang hoover', there isn't yet a Hooverville on the White House lawn, and ex soldiers haven't tried to seize control. As I have said many times before give him time.

He's had internal revolts in the justice, state and parks departments, managed to get into multiple international spats, shown zero ability to manage and communicate his orders through the people that need to execute them, and gotten into personal twitter wars, his people have coined the term "Alternative Facts" after getting pissy over inauguration crowd woes, and thats his first couple weeks in office, on top of a lifetime record of being a scumbag.

How long are people supposed to wait until he magically becomes a different person? Like...seriously?

Trump overturnsObama EO sanctions on Mother Russia.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/2017/02/02/us-withdraws-economic-sanctions-on-russia-n2280361

I know Paul Ryan called them "overdue" when they were enacted. So I guess we'll hear some serious pushback from the Speaker a-n-y minute now...

Donald Trump...best investment Russia's ever made.

Looks like free speech and exchange of ideas are items of history at Berkly, courtesy of the protestors there.
Nothing like a little rioting, assault and vandalism to promote tolerance, in a brown shirt kind of way.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley/index.html

 jasper76 wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Jasper76, back in the late 90's and early 2000's. I lived in the Bay Are for six years, and was on campus during 9/11. I could tell some stories of the toxic radical left from that day for sure, but also some more heartwarming ones. In a leftist bastion like Berkeley, you get to see that liberals are not one solid block but a spectrum of factions, often competing with and sabotaging each other. It's true what they say about the vicious (though nonviolent) infighting when the stakes are so low.

It may be possible that the student culture has changed. I graduated from a small liberal arts school in 1999. I still live in the general area. When I visit, the buildings look the same with a few new editions. But the student culture has definitely shifted to be much more progressive and activist than when I attended. And that was before the whole Trump thing.

Now, we have a new and generally speaking different generation in school, and let's face it, this country has never had a Donald Trump before. Now that the left has lost control of government, the stakes really are high, so I'd think it would be natural that people who may have before been on the fence as to what constitutes acceptable activism might tip over to violence because they feel they are facing an existential threat with no effective recourse.

Just a thought. Never been to UC Berkeley. I've only even been to California once in my life, and that was when I was like 7 or 8 years old, so I'm not pretending to any expertise on the culture out there.

That is possible. It's likely for student culture to change every generation, but from friends and family who still live in the region, it sounds like the students today are even less activist than they used to be, excluding everyone's favorite "I'm really angry, so I'm going to go topless" activism. Somehow that still brings the numbers. So, while ther could very well be a rising surge in left wing violence, my first instinct to to attribute it to the same groups whom I knew already to be violent, or their descendants.

Looks like Christian values and respect for thedead is an item of history with Christians, courtesy of the followers there.
Nothing like a little hate speech, intolerance and disrepect to promote Christ, in a bigoted kind of way.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/06/16/westboro-church-protest-orlando-shooting-victims-funerals/86013966/

 jasper76 wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Jasper76, back in the late 90's and early 2000's. I lived in the Bay Are for six years, and was on campus during 9/11. I could tell some stories of the toxic radical left from that day for sure, but also some more heartwarming ones. In a leftist bastion like Berkeley, you get to see that liberals are not one solid block but a spectrum of factions, often competing with and sabotaging each other. It's true what they say about the vicious (though nonviolent) infighting when the stakes are so low.

It may be possible that the student culture has changed. I graduated from a small liberal arts school in 1999. I still live in the general area. When I visit, the buildings look the same with a few new editions. But the student culture has definitely shifted to be much more progressive and activist than when I attended. And that was before the whole Trump thing.

Now, we have a new and generally speaking different generation in school, and let's face it, this country has never had a Donald Trump before. Now that the left has lost control of government, the stakes really are high, so I'd think it would be natural that people who may have before been on the fence as to what constitutes acceptable activism might tip over to violence because they feel they are facing an existential threat with no effective recourse.

Just a thought. Never been to UC Berkeley. I've only even been to California once in my life, and that was when I was like 7 or 8 years old, so I'm not pretending to any expertise on the culture out there.

It's really a tough pickle to figure out.

On one hand we have a poster who has never been in an area making repeated arguments that this event is a symptom of a large violent uprising in the left in order to destroy the very values that the left holds dear.

On the other hand we have someone who has lived in the town, was active in the university, and witnessed events like these share his experience with how outside groups would take the opportunity to use these events to destroy things for the lulz.

I just don't know who to go with here...

Relapse wrote:
Looks like free speech and exchange of ideas are items of history at Berkly, courtesy of the protestors there.
Nothing like a little rioting, assault and vandalism to promote tolerance, in a brown shirt kind of way.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley/index.html

So I guess you ignored the previous 3 pages discussing this and pointing out that troublemakers making trouble at events is hardly a left/right thing? And everyone acknowledging rioting is bad? But please, keep making your point.....

FYI - this one's heading towards getting locked up again.

Relapse wrote:
Looks like free speech and exchange of ideas are items of history at Berkly, courtesy of the protestors there.
Nothing like a little rioting, assault and vandalism to promote tolerance, in a brown shirt kind of way.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley/index.html

Even your article states that the majority of protestors were peaceful until a known anarchist group showed up and started wrecking gak.

 feeder wrote:
Looks like Christian values and respect for thedead is an item of history with Christians, courtesy of the followers there.
Nothing like a little hate speech, intolerance and disrepect to promote Christ, in a bigoted kind of way.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/06/16/westboro-church-protest-orlando-shooting-victims-funerals/86013966/

That's the problem with Christians, they just don't care about people who disagree with them. Their hate of soldiers and constant taunting of people who died is really a sign of how I didn't leave Christianity, but how Christianity left me...

 jasper76 wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Jasper76, back in the late 90's and early 2000's. I lived in the Bay Are for six years, and was on campus during 9/11. I could tell some stories of the toxic radical left from that day for sure, but also some more heartwarming ones. In a leftist bastion like Berkeley, you get to see that liberals are not one solid block but a spectrum of factions, often competing with and sabotaging each other. It's true what they say about the vicious (though nonviolent) infighting when the stakes are so low.

It may be possible that the student culture has changed. I graduated from a small liberal arts school in 1999. I still live in the general area. When I visit, the buildings look the same with a few new editions. But the student culture has definitely shifted to be much more progressive and activist than when I attended. And that was before the whole Trump thing.

Now, we have a new and generally speaking different generation in school, and let's face it, this country has never had a Donald Trump before. Now that the left has lost control of government, the stakes really are high, so I'd think it would be natural that people who may have before been on the fence as to what constitutes acceptable activism might tip over to violence because they feel they are facing an existential threat with no effective recourse.

Thats a wee bit of a gigantic stretch, particularly as "the left" hasnt had control of the government for a while, it had *part* of the government, not control of all of it.

As someone who lives just a few miles from where some of the most prominent election and inauguration day protests and riots went down, and lived in CA most of my life, I'm not seeing this supposition bearing out.

Relapse wrote:
Looks like free speech and exchange of ideas is an item of history at Berkly, courtesy of the protestors there.
Nothing like a little rioting, assault and vandalism to promote tolerance, in a brown shirt kind of way.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley/index.html

we've just spent the last several pages talking about this and why it's not what you're framing it as.

 Alpharius wrote:
FYI - this one's heading towards getting locked up again.

Sorry. Delete my posts if they are an issue.

 d-usa wrote:

 jasper76 wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Jasper76, back in the late 90's and early 2000's. I lived in the Bay Are for six years, and was on campus during 9/11. I could tell some stories of the toxic radical left from that day for sure, but also some more heartwarming ones. In a leftist bastion like Berkeley, you get to see that liberals are not one solid block but a spectrum of factions, often competing with and sabotaging each other. It's true what they say about the vicious (though nonviolent) infighting when the stakes are so low.

It may be possible that the student culture has changed. I graduated from a small liberal arts school in 1999. I still live in the general area. When I visit, the buildings look the same with a few new editions. But the student culture has definitely shifted to be much more progressive and activist than when I attended. And that was before the whole Trump thing.

Now, we have a new and generally speaking different generation in school, and let's face it, this country has never had a Donald Trump before. Now that the left has lost control of government, the stakes really are high, so I'd think it would be natural that people who may have before been on the fence as to what constitutes acceptable activism might tip over to violence because they feel they are facing an existential threat with no effective recourse.

Just a thought. Never been to UC Berkeley. I've only even been to California once in my life, and that was when I was like 7 or 8 years old, so I'm not pretending to any expertise on the culture out there.

It's really a tough pickle to figure out.

On one hand we have a poster who has never been in an area making repeated arguments that this event is a symptom of a large violent uprising in the left in order to destroy the very values that the left holds dear.

On the other hand we have someone who has lived in the town, was active in the university, and witnessed events like these share his experience with how outside groups would take the opportunity to use these events to destroy things for the lulz.

I just don't know who to go with here...

But you must agree it is an interesting time to live in, everything political is upside down! Rights in, USA, UK, THEME IN EUROPEAN STATES, Out is all the Left wingers, who across the board are struggling to fight back. And now its no longer the Right Wingers on the Aggression, the Liberal Lefties are the ones out of control, if anything actions such as Berkeley will sway more people against them and towards Conservatism. So at the moment as I see it, the Left is struggling to find a footing for resistance, whilst individual groups go over the top and shoot Liberalism in the foot

 d-usa wrote:


It's really a tough pickle to figure out.

On one hand we have a poster who has never been in an area making repeated arguments that this event is a symptom of a large violent uprising in the left in order to destroy the very values that the left holds dear.

On the other hand we have someone who has lived in the town, was active in the university, and witnessed events like these share his experience with how outside groups would take the opportunity to use these events to destroy things for the lulz.

I just don't know who to go with here...

As I've said repeatedly, if this were some kind of isolated incident, I likely would not even have commented on it.

Certainly, you should lend more credence to Bob the Inquisitor on matters related to UC Berkeley and Oakland than myself. I explicitly stated that I don't pretend to have expertise on the current culture at UC Berkeley and California.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Relapse wrote:
Looks like free speech and exchange of ideas are items of history at Berkly, courtesy of the protestors there.
Nothing like a little rioting, assault and vandalism to promote tolerance, in a brown shirt kind of way.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/milo-yiannopoulos-berkeley/index.html

Even your article states that the majority of protestors were peaceful until a known anarchist group showed up and started wrecking gak.

Where am I accusing students? This is the kind of thing that makes the right feel justified in their views of the left, much in the same way protestors tried to break into and physically disrupt Trump rallies.

 Vaktathi wrote:
Thats a wee bit of a gigantic stretch, particularly as "the left" hasnt had control of the government for a while, it had *part* of the government, not control of all of it.

Fair enough. I should have said that the left has gone from having some control over federal government to having almost no control over federal government.