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 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, board games seem to be GW's new black.
Don't understand this policy.

Well we are talking about GAMES workshop so this is actually nice step to roots with gameS rather than game available.

They are also fairly cheap to produce and provide more hooks for new customers and provide opportunities for existing customers to start new armies inspired by new game.

It's low cost policy without much in a form of bad sides. Sure every game isn't for everybody but then again AOS&40k aren't for everybody either. Not even combined.

Omg, a gang based campaign game with card scenery? Want it

My expectations just hit the ceiling even though in my gut I know it'll likely just be a book with 5 missions in it or something.

Can't wait to see more anyway

I think some people are really getting ahead of themselves here. I see GoC as being the same as Gorechosen or Lost Patrol, a small game with a handful of pre-existing models for about £40 that does not mean we're about to get a huge update to DE, and frankyl since the Hellions and Reavers are still amongst the best models GW produce these ones definitely aren't in need of an update (at least physically, rules wise Hellions are in dire straights).

At this point I'd be surprised if we got as much as 2 sets of each in the box (10 Hellions and 6 Reavers).

Dark Eldar are the 10th most owned army and were selling quite well until they got gutted with their latest dex. In a game with as much armies as this GW will take note of that.

Everyone is getting updated for the 40k end times. Even the DE. It seems kinda silly to think otherwise given the previous year of evidence. Not to mention we seen a new Dark Eldar model of some sort that is not a reaver or hellion. So you know. Ignore all evidence.

The big question though is when not if.

 Gamgee wrote:
Everyone is getting updated for the 40k end times. Even the DE.

Based on? At least new models are hardly quaranteed. Has any reliable rumour monger indicated there would be new models for everybody in 40k end times?

They didn't do that in fantasy so doubtful in 40k. Especially since 40k has lot more factions to cover(at least pre-fantasy split. Now AOS factions probably outnumber 40k factions)

 Gamgee wrote:
Dark Eldar are the 10th most owned army and were selling quite well until they got gutted with their latest dex. In a game with as much armies as this GW will take note of that.

Is this a serious statement?

How many armies are there that 10th is a nice high number?

Counting solid armies that aren't there to bolster up others or are a combo of other armies I count 6 Flavours of Marine (Vanilla, Bloody, Wolfy, Secretive, Grey and Deathwatchy), Tau, Tyranid, Regular Eldar, Dark Eldar, Guard, Chaos Marines, Choas Deamons, Orks, Necrons, Sisters and now Ad Mech. Hell, I will give you KDK, 1kSons and the Inquisition forces to round out to 20.
At that point we are looking at a middle of the pack runner there at 10th.

I wan't more new things, and Xeno terrain would be cool, but I am not going to say that "10th place" is anywhere special. It isn't high enough to warrant constant attention, not low enough to warrant a total redo, it is just cruising under the radar, getting a bit of love here and there.

 Gamgee wrote:
Dark Eldar are the 10th most owned army and were selling quite well until they got gutted with their latest dex. In a game with as much armies as this GW will take note of that.

Everyone is getting updated for the 40k end times. Even the DE. It seems kinda silly to think otherwise given the previous year of evidence. Not to mention we seen a new Dark Eldar model of some sort that is not a reaver or hellion. So you know. Ignore all evidence.

The big question though is when not if.

Less of that speculation passed off as fact please.

I see I'm not the only one getting tired of Gamgee passing off his wishful thinking as fact.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, board games seem to be GW's new black.
Don't understand this policy.

It's a huge market, far bigger than miniature war gamers give credit to. Check out boardgame geek and its literal millions of users, and you might start to understand.

Well let's put it this way. I'm known for 4 major things on the forum.

1. Smart.
2. An "donkey-cave"
3. Right about a lot of 40k "rumors" that have come true. Or partially right.
4. Admitting when I am wrong.

Am I a rumor monger myself? No, but I do seem to have a very high percentage of weeding out the fake from the real rumors. Or getting partially right ones.

You know what you haven't seen me do in a long time? Correct myself. The last time was when I was wrong about Sisters ever being updated then we got the limited model and I knew they would get more in my gut. Which was months ago. Lo and behold Sisters of battle.

I didn't know when the Necrons would be involved in the end times plot advancing but lo and behold here is Trazyn in Fall of Cadia (white dwarf sidebar). I said they would likely be involved in the end times plots about a year ago and got flak on and off the forum for that one. When I seen the Dark Eldar cape from the still unidentified model from GW rumor engine thread I knew they would be getting at least something. Lo and behold a new board game. Still no sign of the new DE model in it though. Which could mean its a separate release or it's not a DE model (very unlikely given what we see on the cape).

I don't understand why people are mad at me basically just analyzing what we know and coming out with good prognosis for what is to come. I think this is the only forum I know that gets so much people mad at me for doing it. It's not your personal forum folks and if you do hate it that much just put me on ignore and run off to your safe space please.

If I am wrong about any of this then your likely going to see me admit it, because I am that kind of person. Where as most people here are cowards who will never admit to such things.

I so very rarely get the credit that is due to me for being right about so much of this stuff, but thankfully I'm just not that kind of person who needs validation from others or else I would just be another person toeing the line like everyone else. For the people out there who do appreciate this your welcome I do it... well because I have so much time really. Haha. It also benefits me so I would be lying if I said it was purely altruistic.

Please just take it elsewhere and don't derail with this baseless speculation.

Only tons of DE rumors in the last year and this picture, a change in GW attitude to be more inclusive of the factions, them bringing to life the Sisters of Battle themselves. Oh yeah totally baseless that the Dark Eldar could possibly get one new model this year despite one being pictured in the Fall of Cadia pictures shared by GW themselves. Okay. Not to mention the below is a Dark Eldar model of some sort because it has the exact same insignia as found on the raider plate even similar color schemes. There is even pretty good speculation of who this is on thedarkcity forums themselves. Even if this isn't a DE model my original claim was the DE would get "something" and they got the board game. So I was already right, but I'll up my own ante.

Could I be wrong? Yes. I could be and if so I'll not only admit it here I'll send you a personal digitally gift wrapped memo. I doubt I will though.

That exact 'pattern' is also present on Dark Elf and Wood Elf models, so it's not exactly the smoking gun you seem to think it is.

 Kanluwen wrote:
That exact 'pattern' is also present on Dark Elf and Wood Elf models, so it's not exactly the smoking gun you seem to think it is.

Sure... but Wood Elf are usually not painted in purple... So most assume it's down to Dark Elves or Dark Eldar. And there are even less indications towards Dark Elves at the moment.

SKR.HH wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
That exact 'pattern' is also present on Dark Elf and Wood Elf models, so it's not exactly the smoking gun you seem to think it is.

Sure... but Wood Elf are usually not painted in purple... So most assume it's down to Dark Elves or Dark Eldar. And there are even less indications towards Dark Elves at the moment.

And Dark Eldar models don't usually have intact gemstones adorning their capes.

There's actually a bit more pointing towards Shadowkin(Aelves in Age of Sigmar who settled in the Realm of Shadow, ruled over by Malerion) than that model being Dark Eldar.

Except there was a rumor saying most of the releases in the first half of this year will be 40k related since they are gearing up for 8th. The 40k version of "end times" is just getting underway now and is expected to have releases all year since it seems like a big deal. I'm certain this last bit of info came from white dwarf itself.

 Gamgee wrote:
Except there was a rumor saying most of the releases in the first half of this year will be 40k related since they are gearing up for 8th.

Most of =/= all. It could go either way. I think it's Dark Eldar personally, but that doesn't mean anything yet. It could just be a one off model, or anything.

Even if it's a one off model or limited I would still technically be right. I personally think GW is going to do a little more than that given the attention they are lavishing on each release.

Might this boxset contain one box of hellions and one box of travers and retail at £35, similar to Lost Patrol in terms of value?

Am I the only one that feels like they just threw money away by not adding rules for all the standard 40k armies. Necromunda remake has been one of the top hopes from GW since basically a few years after it went out of circulation.

 Orock wrote:
Am I the only one that feels like they just threw money away by not adding rules for all the standard 40k armies. Necromunda remake has been one of the top hopes from GW since basically a few years after it went out of circulation.

Necromunda is the Specialist Game that will come out after Titanicus, according to people at the open day.

Sounds like an interesting concept. How many biker/skimmer thingies do you get in the box?

 Imateria wrote:
I think some people are really getting ahead of themselves here. I see GoC as being the same as Gorechosen or Lost Patrol, a small game with a handful of pre-existing models for about £40 that does not mean we're about to get a huge update to DE, and frankyl since the Hellions and Reavers are still amongst the best models GW produce these ones definitely aren't in need of an update (at least physically, rules wise Hellions are in dire straights).

At this point I'd be surprised if we got as much as 2 sets of each in the box (10 Hellions and 6 Reavers).

Exactly this. I'd be extremely surprised if this turns out to be anything close to Necromunda. Probably a really streamlined game with a few lines thrown in for campaign rules.

 Gamgee wrote:
Dark Eldar are the 10th most owned army and were selling quite well until they got gutted with their latest dex. In a game with as much armies as this GW will take note of that.

Everyone is getting updated for the 40k end times. Even the DE. It seems kinda silly to think otherwise given the previous year of evidence. Not to mention we seen a new Dark Eldar model of some sort that is not a reaver or hellion. So you know. Ignore all evidence.

The big question though is when not if.

Do you just think of random stuff and then pass it off as fact? How do you even know its the 10th most owned army? How do you even define an army nowadays? How do you know "everyone" is getting updated? Even with the evidence we still don't have a proper codex update for CSM which is the oldest 6th ed book.

I don't think "evidence" means what you think it means.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
Dark Eldar are the 10th most owned army and were selling quite well until they got gutted with their latest dex. In a game with as much armies as this GW will take note of that.

Everyone is getting updated for the 40k end times. Even the DE. It seems kinda silly to think otherwise given the previous year of evidence. Not to mention we seen a new Dark Eldar model of some sort that is not a reaver or hellion. So you know. Ignore all evidence.

The big question though is when not if.

Do you just think of random stuff and then pass it off as fact? How do you even know its the 10th most owned army? How do you even define an army nowadays? How do you know "everyone" is getting updated? Even with the evidence we still don't have a proper codex update for CSM which is the oldest 6th ed book.

I don't think "evidence" means what you think it means.

I would never make stuff up. From last year and its a pretty good sample size of the 40k community. So some armies aren't there and AdMech adoption was low since it just came out. It might not be sales data, but we can see the relative ownership and thus sales (give or take a little) of the factions as of the time of the survey. The survey was just after the new DE codex or around there. So I imagine there has been a drop in sales (no proof on my part) but a lot of communities have complained about how weak they are. Tau and Space Marines being in both GW's and FW's top sellers for two years now (with some minor absences with big releases. SM have been there far longer lol) shows they are selling consistently and deserve being so high on this list. There is indirect evidence to support this data is more or less accurate.

I never once claimed that codices were being updated did I? By update I mean a new model or new formations or some sort of new support or being featured in a release of some kind. I do think there will be a DE decurion coming at some point though but that's more me speculating based on the fact that they are a pretty major part of the lore and likely have some part to play in the end times story (I imagine every faction will to a greater or less extent).

New Games Workshop has listened to every major suggestion the community has had so far. The community wants DE updates or to be made more strong and interesting.

http://www.totellstories.com/40k/

Let's please pull discussion back to the particular issue of Gangs of Commoragh. Please feel free to start a thread in 40k General Discussion about support for Dark Eldar more generally. Thank you!

 kronk wrote:
Sounds like an interesting concept. How many biker/skimmer thingies do you get in the box?

I'd guess three Reavers and five Hellions, or multiples of that.

 Breotan wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Sounds like an interesting concept. How many biker/skimmer thingies do you get in the box?

I'd guess three Reavers and five Hellions, or multiples of that.

I could see it 6 and 10. That's 129$. They could sell the game for 60$ Gorechosen was half the price of the 4 models. then again that was 4 models not the possible 16. Maybe it will be weird numbers like 4 Reavers and 2 Hellions, so your "gang" could be 1 and 2. Either way I'm looking forward to more news and how the campaign system is. I am a fan of moving track games, Road Kill Rally and of course Thunder Road

str00dles1 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 kronk wrote:
Sounds like an interesting concept. How many biker/skimmer thingies do you get in the box?

I'd guess three Reavers and five Hellions, or multiples of that.

I could see it 6 and 10. That's 129$. They could sell the game for 60$ Gorechosen was half the price of the 4 models. then again that was 4 models not the possible 16. Maybe it will be weird numbers like 4 Reavers and 2 Hellions, so your "gang" could be 1 and 2. Either way I'm looking forward to more news and how the campaign system is. I am a fan of moving track games, Road Kill Rally and of course Thunder Road

It's going to be in multiples of 3's (Reavers) or 5's (Hellions), there's no way to do odd numbers without completely recutting the sprues, which I think GW are highly unlikely to do.

If it was 6 reavers and 5 hellions with a discount then that would be amazing!